Hunh. (VS Peach.)

[Master Knight DH]

I was playing against a friend's Peach. (He doesn't main Peach though.) I wanted to see what apparently makes Peach so vicious against Olimar.

Okay, well, there's no argument: Peach's priority edge is absurd. Even Up Smash should be used wisely or else it faces a Down Air. However, Pikmin Chain does indeed do something to help: punish Peach if she abuses the air. And Forward Smash is an excellent deterrent against her low attacks. Use both moves well and shake off those turnips, and it's a matter of time before she makes brutal mistakes for you to exploit.

I also notice that some of the argument that Peach has 70-30 on Olimar relies on Olimar abusing Pikmin Throw. Let me make one thing straight: I detest using Pikmin Throw. Kamikazing Pikmin like that should be punishable, especially for a character like Olimar. Really, losing Nana guts the Ice Climbers, it shouldn't be that much different for Olimar. If I were the developer behind Olimar's combat design, I would have the Pikmin's power lower than it is now in return for the maturity stages actually doing something other than being decoration, to make the Pikmin a good deal less replaceable. *sigh* Anyway, I think there's probably some reliance on Pikmin Throw abuse going on, which of course backfires.

Oh well, just some food for thought at least. What do you think?

 

[RichBrown]

The difference between losing pikmin and losing nana is that Olimar can pluck 6 more pikmin; popo can't even pluck just one nana.

 

[Barge]

Yeah but ice climbers aren't useless without nana.

 

[Master Knight DH]

The difference between losing pikmin and losing nana is that Olimar can pluck 6 more pikmin; popo can't even pluck just one nana.

Yeah, well, that should be the sole major difference, besides the fact that Popo can still use all of his moves, though with reduced effectiveness. May I point out that Pikmin being easily replaceable just basically turns Olimar into Code Geass's Zero?

 

[RichBrown]

What? I like throwing pikmin.

 

[DtJ Hilt]

no, that doesnt even make sense. Throwing two or three pikmin doesnt make Olimar = Solo Climber. A good olimar isnt going to throw his last couple of pikmin unless it's safe and he's able to pick more right afterwards. Granted, an olimar without any pikmin IS bad, and IS much worse than solo climber, but that doesnt mean an olimar player should avoid latch altogether. Like I said, a good olimar wouldnt let it get in that situation if at all possible.

basically all i'm seeing in your post is "dont use latch" and "FSmash/Pikmin Chain moar". And that this will apparently make the peach matchup better. It should have been posted in there.

 

[Fino]

Don't get grabbed


~Fino

 

[DtJ Hilt]

fino your signature makes no sense

XD

 

[Fino]

fino your signature makes no sense

XD

Huh? It's 3 a.m. and I'm studying for a big anatomy test right now... I dunno what I'll think when I wake up... but that was my procrastination XD


~Fino

 

[asob4]

actually, nair OoS helps vs peach
how many times do i have to say this????

it's 60-40 or 55-45 peach favor
me and EDREES and SKY agreed on this
two of the top peaches on the west coast agree!!

 

[Dabuz]

i do agree with the up-b i was fighting a decnt peach yesterday and i noticed that since a floating peach can't airdodge its easy to up b appraching peaches, and purple>floaty peach

 

[Rickerdy-doo-da-day]

The thing with Olimar is that Peach's Nair can stop his aerials and her Dair can stop his Up Smash. Her moves > Pikmin which is why she has an advantage

However, I think 70:30 is a bit much and I completely agree with the Up + B thing - I played an Olimar who used it a lot to counter my Floating...I'd need to test a bit more but I'm reasonably sure that Up + B will go through Peach's aerials

 

[Fino]

I'm reasonably sure that Up + B will go through Peach's aerials

Olimar's tether will go through a lot more than peach's aerials...

~Fino

 

[asob4]

it's like what i say doesn't matter

 

[RichBrown]

wHO SAID THAT?

 

[asob4]

<33

10<3

 

[BlackWaltzX]

Are we just spamming?

:3

Ah.. I'll still go with 70-30 give or take. If I'm leaning any way not onto 70-30, it would be even worse for us. :/

Also, Air dodge UPB.

 

[Cook]

Are we just spamming?

:3

Ah.. I'll still go with 70-30 give or take. If I'm leaning any way not onto 70-30, it would be even worse for us. :/

Also, Air dodge UPB.

I don't think Peach can air dodge while floating?

 

[BlackWaltzX]

Cancel the float?
I'm not saying don't do it, they can't punish it while in the air after all, but still... I'm sure it doesn't make a 70-30 or so match up into a 60-40. :S

 

[asob4]

nair OoS and super fast kills makes it 60-40

fair also beats a predicted dair

it isn't that bad guys! it's marth status really

 

[DtJ Hilt]

yeah, i actually think marth is much more of a threat than peach. I'd agree peach to be 60:40. I'd have to say marth would have to be olimar's worst matchup.... >.>

 

[asob4]

a smart MK that stays in the air and retreats with nado is our worst match up
see: TKD, BoA

 

[DtJ Hilt]

I play against overswarm all the time and i have more problems against marths than him >.> it just seems spacing against marth is much more difficult than spacing meta.

 

[asob4]

but that's midwest.... WC is in a whole nother league xP

i despise marf and flaco

 

[DtJ Hilt]

true, the midwest isnt anything compared to WC, or EC, but there are still those that are recognizably good. Anther and OS included. WC/EC just have a LOT more.

 

[asob4]

yeah, anther is.... anther
OS is MK lmao he'll agree with that ;p

WC = cali hahahahaha