Q&A How to Wreck *****es with Ganon?- Linguini Q&A Thread

[Swagic]

guys im picking up fox.

im sorry.

That's a ban.

Guys, I like that idea for a rule.

 

[-ACE-]

That's a ban.

Guys, I like that idea for a rule.

He's going to get spanked like a red-headed stepchild and be back. I'm calling it

 

[RedmanSSBM]

Hell yeah Tipman I love that matchup. I felt like you had it at the end though. Dude didn't know how to finish most combos cause he couldn't recognize the downward DI in time.

I really need to remember to just straight up side-b when I space a fair on someone's shield if I read that they are going to try and shield grab. It's so good and I don't do it at all.

That's a ban.

Guys, I like that idea for a rule.

No one's getting banned rofl


Damn I still can't believe Tipman is actually active as hell right now in TWENTY SIXTEEN.
Two years ago he was like a myth lol

 

[-ACE-]

Certified best thread on smashboards.

I tell people about it being the most active melee thread aka the BEST and only melee thread, and they just don't believe it. Mostly people that get ACED x|-<

 

[Oldiz]

No one's getting banned rofl

Can't we at least vote?

 

[ForTheLulz]

guys im picking up fox.

im sorry.

The only consolation is that it isn't Shek.

 

[-ACE-]

The only consolation is that it isn't Shek.

Always good to look at the bright side lol

 

[-ACE-]

Coastward

We want a sequel. You know you'll never make a fox combo vid like that. You have more footage from all the Ganons that have leveled up, and the sequel needs to include spider_sense, linguini, and tipman.

 

[RedmanSSBM]

Guys how did we miss this?

Triforce of Power came out 10 years ago, a week ago from today.

Thomas Tipman shoutouts man. You're old lol

 

[PseudoTurtle]

https://www.twitch.tv/vsgc/v/62656785 at 1:11:18 i play a cflacon trikrome. fun to watch. i also played one more person earlier but watching that match up vs marth doesnt do justice to the actual meta. fun to watch for style points.

Duuuuude that set was sick. Especially that game 3, good stuff by Trikrome clutching it out on you.

You are one tricky mofo LOL

 

[Swagic]

Guys how did we miss this?

Triforce of Power came out 10 years ago, a week ago from today.

Thomas Tipman shoutouts man. You're old lol

We need an anniversary celebration. THAT is a milestone.

 

[Thomas Tipman]

damn ten years. im more surprised new players keep jumping into the scene. played a dude at TGL monthly and he asked how long ive been playing i said 2001 and then later on i find out he was 15. Lol, ****ing melee is older than him. wonder how he felt when he heard ive been playing since he was born?

 

[Thomas Tipman]

i have no capture equipment but i did wanna make a new vid. honestly the how to part is what i wanted to do the most.

 

[RedmanSSBM]

-ACE- Yo I just checked out your youtube vids and I wanted to add a few things to the Up-throw traps on BF stuff you did.

I ran some tests in Debug to see what exactly were good percents for Fox to DI away and where to throw him, and it's actually a bit more closer to the middle of the stage than what you had in your video. Also, it's basically impossible to cover the tech away option with even an upair if you up-throw Fox at like 60%. You need to throw him much higher, at like 80%+, and 100%+ is where it actually gets pretty easy to follow up.

Regardless, it's still pretty damn good though. When I play Ganon again against a FFer, I'll have to remember the up-throw trap stuff. I have yet to really implement it.

And as for you dthrow to dtilt trick on Falcon? That's super legit. Even if Falcon DI's away, you can either regrab, or just dtilt in front of you and get a meaty followup.

 

[Coastward]

Coastward

We want a sequel. You know you'll never make a fox combo vid like that. You have more footage from all the Ganons that have leveled up, and the sequel needs to include spider_sense, linguini, and tipman.

i'm off school starting thursday so i might grind one out over my break. i just cant be bothered to find all the clips because thats what takes the most time when i make them.

soon though; it will be the greatest combo video ever.

 

[-ACE-]

i have no capture equipment

How come you don't have a CRT either after I bought and brought you one?? Lmao

 

[-ACE-]

it's basically impossible to cover the tech away option with even an upair if you up-throw Fox at like 60%. You need to throw him much higher, at like 80%+, and 100%+ is where it actually gets pretty easy to follow up.

Can't be impossible. I do it on the regula. Trust in Masta Ace.

 

[Linguini]

Happy 10 years to my fav combo video!!!

lol tommy good set,for those of you who don't know trikrome was my training partner back in 09-10 so he's reaaaally good in the ganon matchup

 

[ForTheLulz]

Guys how many less invincibility frames does aerial interrupt ac dair from ledge give you from normal ledgehop NIL?

I found this cool thing but I don't want to test it.

 

[Thomas Tipman]

ACE I have your crt here.

Linguini trikrome and i were playing all day before the bracket was made and laughed when we had to play each other. we played a lot on the low and at zp when he wasnt beasting in dota.

 

[-ACE-]

ACE I have your crt here.

Lol good. I was hoping it didn't crap out on you. I was hella confused when skater dude was hauling a tv up the steps. Definitely a better tv tho

 

[RedmanSSBM]

Guys how many less invincibility frames does aerial interrupt ac dair from ledge give you from normal ledgehop NIL?

I found this cool thing but I don't want to test it.

If you're talking strictly the differences between NIL and an aerial interrupt, it's 5 frames less invincibility to do an aerial interrupt, since Ganon still goes into the landing animation (and his is 1 frame longer than everyone else's!) when he does an aerial interrupt, while a NIL has 0 frames of lag.

 

[tm]

Guys how many less invincibility frames does aerial interrupt ac dair from ledge give you from normal ledgehop NIL?

I found this cool thing but I don't want to test it.

They're equal if performed frame-perfectly. Dair NIL adds a 1-frame input though. If you're late by x frames, you have x frames less invincibility. If you're early, you don't AC the dair, so yeah that's terrible lol

source: I just tested it

If you're talking strictly the differences between NIL and an aerial interrupt, it's 5 frames less invincibility to do an aerial interrupt, since Ganon still goes into the landing animation (and his is 1 frame longer than everyone else's!) when he does an aerial interrupt, while a NIL has 0 frames of lag.

Technically NIL has 1 frame of lag because you can't do anything on the frame that you land (except stand)

 

[Thomas Tipman]

i dont know what i just read. Ace maybe you can explain it to me next time we hang.

 

[X WaNtEd X]

i'm off school starting thursday so i might grind one out over my break. i just cant be bothered to find all the clips because thats what takes the most time when i make them.

soon though; it will be the greatest combo video ever.

How long are you going to make it? I would like to make some music suggestions if it's long enough to have multiple tracks.

Or maybe we should contract L Linguini to make some electrohouse, dubstep or something with hard a f drops for the video ^.^

 

[-ACE-]

I think I just found out that if you backjump (to NIL) but immediately hold forward as soon as possible, you can land on the lower plats on DL a frame sooner. You end up jumping straight up instead of backwards, but you still get the NIL because it's a backjump. Can't see much of a difference on BF.

 

[X WaNtEd X]

I think I just found out that if you backjump (to NIL) but immediately hold forward as soon as possible, you can land on the lower plats on DL a frame sooner. You end up jumping straight up instead of backwards, but you still get the NIL because it's a backjump. Can't see much of a difference on BF.

Which means you can use that frame to shai drop sooner since you'll already be holding forward

 

[-ACE-]

Which means you can use that frame to shai drop sooner since you'll already be holding forward

Well you'd have to let go and re-tap forward to dash, but yeah. And there's always the instant drop, which I can tell can be buffered, similar to dropping immediately after a short wL.

Edit: typo fixed.

 

[RedmanSSBM]

Yo L Linguini makes some more hot dance music so we can put it in a combo video. Oasis is already good enough to be combo video material

 

[ForTheLulz]

Wandered into the site's debate hall

instant regret

Jiggs bair is stupid good you can't do anything to contest it

 

[-ACE-]

Wandered into the site's debate hall

instant regret

Jiggs bair is stupid good you can't do anything to contest it

You can tipman that ****. Reverse WoP, although not a cure-all, still has some effectiveness. And regardless of how disjointed the images make it look, if you play a patient neutral and really focus on spacing, you have options. You want to space bairs/uairs according to her bair, if you space your bair right you'll trade, which is great unless you're at ledge.

 

[Swagic]

Trades work out pretty much every time... I've had trades with Marth when he had a 50% lead and he died first. Ah, the power.

 

[Thomas Tipman]

Yo L Linguini makes some more hot dance music so we can put it in a combo video. Oasis is already good enough to be combo video material

how awesome is it that we can throw a bad ass video together and have custom soundtracks from ****ing linguini? thats too sick.

 

[Thomas Tipman]

You can tipman that ****. Reverse WoP, although not a cure-all, still has some effectiveness. And regardless of how disjointed the images make it look, if you play a patient neutral and really focus on spacing, you have options. You want to space bairs/uairs according to her bair, if you space your bair right you'll trade, which is great unless you're at ledge.

what isnt mentioned here is how the image is of jiggs falling with the bair dragging the hit box down. when she shbair rising that drag is reduced and inverted. ganon get a stretch to his dj or jump uair. theory is, off the ground you lose as far as who is in the air first and able to attack. when both are in the air at the same height the second jump of both will execute at the same time and if ganon uairs he wins. spacing and putting yourself where you can verse jiggs in this manner makes spacing that much more crucial for jiggs cause she doesnt wanna be under or at the same height when you have your second jump and your angle upftilts create a strong anti air for when she knows she will get her bair off the ground before you can be able to aerial her. punishing and condition is based on success but thats kinda the idea.

 

[-ACE-]

what isnt mentioned here is how the image is of jiggs falling with the bair dragging the hit box down

So true. And it puts her into the most disjointed, spike part of the reverse uair. Genius.

 

[Coastward]

alrighty, EVERYONE START LINKING ME COMBO VIDEO CLIPS.

gonna start the process of making the video this sunday, gonna try to have it done by next week.

i want EVERY GANON IN THIS VIDEO.

 

[-ACE-]

alrighty, EVERYONE START LINKING ME COMBO VIDEO CLIPS.

gonna start the process of making the video this sunday, gonna try to have it done by next week.

i want EVERY GANON IN THIS VIDEO.

I'll start it off right quick like.

http://youtu.be/DicfTaoceAw?t=3h47m08s

Nothing better than seeing a link main get ****ed up worse than a junkie on tax refund day

 

[Swagic]

Tfw last tournament I went to with a recording setup had technical issues and it didn't work... Still no clips from me...

 

[Oldiz]

Does vods from twitch work? Or should we stick to youtube?

 

[Coastward]

vods will make my job incredibly more difficult but i can make it work.