cllzzrd
Smash Apprentice
Today I had a very long argument with "Bob" about how combo videos were not sped up.
this is the argument, and it seems like the person will not listen to reason. I have edited all the names except for mine, and I tried to take out most of the cursing, and not related conversation. They were talking about smash, soI put up all the DBR videos, Majoas's samus combo, and frostbite, buy Masterwhumpus (sp?) any suggestions besides suffer the fools?
and this seemed like the most appropriate place to put this topic.
this is the argument, and it seems like the person will not listen to reason. I have edited all the names except for mine, and I tried to take out most of the cursing, and not related conversation. They were talking about smash, soI put up all the DBR videos, Majoas's samus combo, and frostbite, buy Masterwhumpus (sp?) any suggestions besides suffer the fools?
and this seemed like the most appropriate place to put this topic.
[22:55] <“Bob”> in those videos the enemy seems to be pretty terrible
[22:55] <Cllzzrd19> all these videos that Im posting are the same people who made combo videos of each other
[22:56] <“Bob”> this is how I progressed through the characters
[22:56] <“Bob”> Started with Mario, then DK, then Samus, Jigglypuff, and finally Yoshi
[22:56] <Cllzzrd19> started with fox, samus, roy, falco, roy, samus, fox, ice climbers, then back to samus
[22:56] <“frank”> link is the WORST character
[22:57] <Cllzzrd19> nope
[22:57] <“Bob”> im talking 64 though
[22:57] <Cllzzrd19> i disagree
[22:57] <Cllzzrd19> o
[22:57] <“frank”> his rising special suxxxxxxxx
[22:57] <Cllzzrd19> i agree with 64
[22:57] <“frank”> i only played 64
[22:57] <Cllzzrd19> but not melee
[22:57] <“frank”> so i dont really care about melee
[22:57] <Cllzzrd19> but those videos are amazing, espcally the samus one
[22:57] <“Bob”> Melee added a bunch of characters, but only a few new playing styles
[22:58] <“Bob”> most of the new characters fought the exact same way as the toher ones
[22:58] <Cllzzrd19> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=roWVLgmTl4s
[22:58] <Cllzzrd19> differant samus player
[22:58] <Cllzzrd19> still really good
[22:58] <“Bob”> Bowser is the same as DK, Gannondorf is same as Falcon
[22:59] <Cllzzrd19> almsot the same, there are like 2-3 differances
[23:00] <“Bob”> I like that they play the videos in fast forward to make it look like they are exceptionally good
[23:01] <Skwisgaar> if you work in a place that is the suck
[23:01] <Cllzzrd19> tehy do not paly the videos fast forewarded
[23:01] <Cllzzrd19> that is real speed, there are ways to cancel lag so you can do attacks faster
[23:02] <“nice person”> Hey Clizz.
[23:02] <“nice person”> Long time, no see.
[23:02] <“Bob”> in the google videos
[23:02] <Cllzzrd19> hi “nice person”
[23:02] <“Bob”> my games never moved anything close to that speed
[23:03] <Cllzzrd19> thats cause you do not know how to cancel the lag
[23:03] <Cllzzrd19> i know a few ways, but not all of them
[23:03] <“Bob”> how do you cancel the lag, then, on the 64?
[23:04] <Cllzzrd19> one way is to dodge at a downward angle right before you land after jumping
[23:04] <Cllzzrd19> i do not know for the 64
[23:04] <“Bob”> I noticed that they were moving across the board much quicker than I could ever do so in the real game
[23:05] <Cllzzrd19> another way is to shoot a missle (samus) right before you hit the ground and you will be able to shoot another missle or do a differant attack A LOT faster
[23:05] <Cllzzrd19> do you know how to wavedash?
[23:05] <“Bob”> except some parts of those videos are from the 64 game
[23:05] <Cllzzrd19> which ones?
[23:05] <“Bob”> the Samus google one
[23:06] <Cllzzrd19> there are stages in melee that are "past stages" from the 64 version
[23:06] <Cllzzrd19> like the donky kong stage, yoshi's island...
[23:07] <“noob”> Link WINS!!
[23:07] <“noob”> I'm on fire tonight.
[23:07] <Cllzzrd19> with samus, if you can wavedash extremely well, you can beat a missle from one end of final destination to the other
[23:07] <“Bob”> if you watch at 1:08 at the donkey kong level
[23:07] <“Bob”> its the old game
[23:07] <Cllzzrd19> “noob”- I usually win, unless everybody teams up against me
[23:07] <Cllzzrd19> the first samus one?
[23:07] <“noob”> : /
[23:08] <“Bob”> yes
[23:08] <Cllzzrd19> ill look
[23:08] <“Bob”> old costumes no missle attacks
[23:08] <“noob”> I love the music on Fountain of Dreams.
[23:08] <Cllzzrd19> me too
[23:08] <“noob”> Orchestra Kirby.
[23:08] <“noob”> You can't beat it.
[23:10] <Cllzzrd19> in 64, you cannot dodge downward, you cannot have names, and you cannot wavedash, they were doing all 3 of those things
[23:11] <“noob”> Bowser has rending. : D
[23:11] <“Bob”> I still stand by the fact that its played at faster than normal
speed
[23:12] <Cllzzrd19> it is full speed
[23:12] <“nice person”> I will, provided I get my computer to stop being ******** and get the cooling to behave.
[23:12] <Cllzzrd19> not sped up at all
[23:12] <Cllzzrd19> do you ever play melee, or just 64?
[23:13] <“Bob”> yes, i have played Melee
[23:14] <Cllzzrd19> ok, next time you play it, shoot a missle (samus) right before you hit the ground and you will be able to shoot another missle or do a differant attack faster than if you had just stood there and shot a missle then attacked
[23:15] <Cllzzrd19> and here is an ice climbers video
[23:15] <Cllzzrd19> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nHuazOdzk5w
[23:16] <Cllzzrd19> and if the videos are sped up, then how come missles, charging up of samus' beam, and samus beam all go as fast as they would on regular speed?
[23:18] <“Bob”> they don't, you just choose to see them as normal speed, even though they are moving quicker. You just want to be right
[23:18] <“Bob”> its alright
[23:19] <“Bob”> no one likes being wrong
[23:20] <Cllzzrd19> how does that work? slowing down one person while the other moves at normal speed and then being able to re speed it up so the fight coninues as normal?? and they do take the same ammount of time, you are probably used to how long it takes in 64
[23:20] <“Bob”> not really, I've most recently played Melee
[23:21] <“Bob”> you just don't want to be wrong, so you are thinking its normal speed
[23:21] <“Bob”> it clearly isn't
[23:21] <Cllzzrd19> that brings me back to the lag canceling, there are ways to cut landing lag, and after an air attack lag in half
[23:22] <Cllzzrd19> and if the missles are slowed down to look correct, then how come they still hit the person who is sped up and still flys off the screen?
[23:24] <“Bob”> You aren't listening to me
[23:24] <“Bob”> The missles aren't slowed down
[23:24] <“Bob”> they are moving quicker than normal
[23:24] <“Bob”> You are just thinking they are slowed down because you want to be right
[23:24] <Cllzzrd19> they start out slow, then speed up, also, when samus gets hit by an explosion from one of her own bombs, she can do any air attack IMMIDATLY after she gets hit, there is no lag there
[23:25] * “Bob” shakes his head
[23:26] <“Bob”> Im not disagreeing with the fact that she can attack right away
[23:26] <“Bob”> Im saying that they sped up the video
[23:26] <“noob”> Bowser...
[23:26] <“noob”> Loses...
[23:26] <“noob”> : (
[23:26] <Cllzzrd19> and I am saying that they did not speed it up
[23:26] <“noob”> I think he's my new favorite, though.
[23:26] <“noob”> All the spiked bracers and stuff...
[23:27] * “Bob” shakes his head
[23:27] <“frank”> Hello
[23:27] <Cllzzrd19> hi
[23:27] <“Bob”> I understand, you just want to be right and won't be dissuaded otherwise
[23:27] * “frank” is listening to Pink Floyd
[23:28] <Cllzzrd19> I know this sounds very arrogant, but I know that I am right and that you are not the first person to have this argument with me
[23:28] <“noob”> What's a mycologist?
[23:28] <“noob”> I just got that award at the end of this fight.
[23:28] <“noob”> >>'
[23:28] <“frank”> what are you playing “noob”
[23:28] <“noob”> Super Smash Bros. Melee.
[23:28] <“noob”> Oh, yes.
[23:28] <“frank”> oh
[23:28] <Cllzzrd19> look at 2:09
[23:28] <“frank”> cool
[23:28] <Cllzzrd19> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vy2W9PYF9_I
[23:28] <“Bob”> somone who studies fungi
[23:28] <“noob”> Nice.
[23:29] <“noob”> I got the mushroom.
[23:29] <“noob”> A lot.
[23:29] <“noob”> : d
[23:29] <“noob”> Big Bowser.
[23:29] <“noob”> With rending attacks!!
[23:29] <“Bob”> Cllzzrd19: If Im not the first person who has had this argument with you, doesn't that give you a hint?
[23:29] <Cllzzrd19> the other people realized that they were wrong
[23:30] <“Bob”> or, got tired of arguing with someone as stubborn as you
[23:30] <“Bob”> and just gave in to end the argument
[23:31] <Cllzzrd19> do you think that that part of the video was sped up?
[23:31] <Cllzzrd19> at 2:09?
[23:32] <“frank”> what are you even arguing about ?
[23:32] <“frank”> no one can possibly give this much of a **** about a game where u
snort mushrooms to get bigger n go around hitting ppl with hammers -_-
[23:32] <Cllzzrd19> he thinks the combo videos have been sped up to make the person look like he or she is really good
[23:32] <Cllzzrd19> but they are not
[23:34] <“Bob”> In psychology, we like to call this the Confirmation Bias
[23:34] <“Bob”> you only look for evidence that supports your claim
[23:34] <“Bob”> if it really doesn't, you just interpret that it does
[23:35] <Cllzzrd19> then you show me some evidance that shows that they have been sped up.
[23:35] <“Bob”> I have already told you
[23:36] <“Bob”> moving across the screen at a faster speed than you can in the game
[23:36] <Cllzzrd19> wavedashing, and super wave dashing
[23:36] <“frank”> lol
[23:36] <“frank”> THAT is what this is all about?
[23:36] <“frank”> super smash brothers ?!
[23:36] <Cllzzrd19> and some attacks help you go farther and faster
[23:36] <Skwisgaar> hahha
[23:37] <Skwisgaar> buy booze, get free knife
[23:37] <“frank”> rofl
[23:39] <Cllzzrd19> also, “Bob”, when it shows a timer at the top of some of the clips, the seconds pass as a normal second would, not as a sped up second would.
[23:39] <“Bob”> Cllzzrd19: The point is, you haven't shown me anything to dissuade me. You argue the same point over and over. Plus you even said that other people have disagreed with you
[23:39] <“Bob”> I stand by my position
[23:40] <Cllzzrd19> and I stand by mine
[23:40] <“Bob”> well thats a little better
[23:40] <“frank”> good, lets get over it then
[23:40] <“Bob”> I learned how to use the ignore function
[23:40] <Cllzzrd19> wow, thats taking things a little far
