How to convince some friends that edgehogging is a perfectly valid tech?

[smasher1001]

Some friends are rather adamant that edgehogging is unfair and *cheap*, regardless of how I tell them it's a valid tech. Any suggestions on how to convince them?

Strangely, they don't mind edgegaurding, just edgehogging.

Also, sorry if this is in the wrong forum but its about a tech so I figured this would be the best place to post it.

 

[Frames]

Let them edgehog you for the win. After winning they'll be less adamant about playing without it.

 

[smasher1001]

Yeah, I'd do that except they themselves refuse to edgehog other players

 

[shadydentist]

Edgehogging is so much less effective in Brawl, I don't really see what they're whining about.

 

[Jewdo]

I know where they're coming from - I used to call "CHEAP!!!" on techniques before I manned up, but I can't think of a single person who NEVER did this. The main problem I had (and they probably have) is that the technique is effective, easily repeatable, and *seemingly* something they can do nothing about. In other words, edge-hogging appears to be an over-powered move to them.

Obviously, we know that edgehogging is not the be-all, end-all KO sealer. Because we know how to deal with it, we don't complain about it. Tell them that, like all other techniques, there's a way to counter edgehogging. Knowing there's a counter should encourage them to learn it and apply it. If your friends are the curious type, this will cut down on complaints drastically. They'll know that (1) they can counter edge-hogging if you do it, and (2) you'll stop edge-hogging as much if it stops being effective. Doubly good incentive to learn how to counter it, I say.

However, if they DON'T stop complaining, or just complain because they can't figure it out as fast as they'd like, explain how to counter edge-guarding. You don't have to spoon-feed them EVERYTHING, as they can learn some of it on their own, which will be good for them in the long run. But you should at least tell them to find alternate recovery techniques that don't depend on grabbing the ledge or to use aggressive recovery techniques.

Hope this helps. Peace out.

 

[kidbu916]

Its less effective, but effective none the less and its good on characters who rely on tether recovery.

 

[Gr8]

i rarely edgehog however i feel its perfectly fine to use, it may or may not bet a cheap win but if you get knocked off once you probably have high damage and will get killed when you land since you are waiting for them to get back anyway, besides play to win however you can tell them if they don't like it don't get knocked off

 

[Taleran]

Why be a coward when your playing with your friends of course they won't like it


fight like a man as in stop doing it and BRAWL

 

[peachori]

ask them whats wrong with edgehogging
when they say its cheap, punch them in the face
repeat punch for each subsequent mention of it being cheap
problem solved

also there was a "edge hog" bonus in melee. havent paid attention if its in brawl too though.

 

[Ubezor]

SIMPLE: Every match that you ever have with them, try to make EVERY kill caused by a edgehog.
Soon they will get pissed off are start doing it too.
Then they will open their hearts to the goodness of EDGEHOOGGIIINNGGG

PS it helps if your better than them

 

[Sonovin]

lol, yes, Tell them to Man up.

=]

 

[The_Corax_King]

They told you how to do it in Melee.... there is a bonus award for doing it.... they purposely gave you the ability to edgehog...

That's like saying, "Using that attack on the edge is so cheap!!!"... that's all edgehogging is really is an attack that kills them...

 

[Taso]

Olimar.

That character alone is enough to make it a prevalent technique in this game.

I can edgehog an Olimar for all of his lives and there's essentially nothing he can do about it unless his front runner is a purple pikmin. Then he can hurl it at me. Aside from that, he's at the mercy of an edgehogger. o_O

It's cheap huh?

Tell them that Ice Climbers are cheap. Using two characters at once is unfair.
Tell them Olimar is unfair. He has six helpers! And most of his attacks have tons of range and power! That's just unfair.

Or better yet. Tell them to use on of the MANY floaty characters.
Pit, Kirby, Jigglypuff, Meta Knight, DDD, Charizard.
Or characters that can get back without needing the ledge usually like Zelda, Toon Link, Peach, Game & Watch, Pikachu, Lucario, Diddy Kong, Sonic, Snake...

Come on!
Edge hogging is perfectly viable.

 

[RBinator]

Tell them this. The best counter to edgehogging is prevention. In other words, avoid getting in a position where you would have to recover in the first place.

Why be a coward when your playing with your friends of course they won't like it


fight like a man as in stop doing it and BRAWL

What?

 

[Languish]

Be like, If you can't get by my edgehogging then youre a n00b and you shouldn't be complaining.

 

[sxiz]

in a game where the whole point is to knock your opponent off the edge letting them back on is pretty stupid

 

[huzzah]

Show them http://www.sirlin.net/Features/feature_PlayToWinPart1.htm

 

[distr0ia]

their loss. quite literally!

 

[Andrew Ott]

Yeah, letting someone get back on is a scrub way of dealing with not being able to edgeguard. Edgehogging in Brawl is even easier to get around than melee.

In both cases, though, edgehogging was mostly for edge/stage mixups, NOT just killing them as they aim for the edge. If you're so far off that you can't land on the stage, you're as good as dead anyways.

And, if it's in the game, it's a valid technique.

 

[Taymond]

My friends reacted this way when i first started wavedashing backwards off the edge with Luigi for easy edgehogs in Melee. But it was new to me, too, and they quickly found I was far from perfect at it, and they could get around it if they knew what they were doing. Nowadays, they still don't really edgehog much, but they don't complain at all, and they handle my edgehogging pretty well.

Just keep it up. They'll learn it's not an automatic loss for them in most cases, and they'll learn to play better as a result.

 

[Fade016]

Just tell them do I do whatever it takes to win, if you were playing for first place and all you had to do was edgehog to secure your win wouldn't you.

 

[shatoga]

I think it's fair. It's also not really the easiest thing in the world to do, since your invincibility only lasts a second or so, and if they have a long up b, you could get screwed instead of them.

 

[Runeblade279]

It wins. It's in the game. It's valid.

It's counterable. Tell them to learn how, or you can just tell them how depending on how flaky they are. XP

 

[Ørion]

In my opinion, no character or technique in this game is cheap. The only thing that can be cheap are stages and items (including smash balls, as some characters have final smashes that are clearly better than others).

 

[da K.I.D.]

you know what i do, when ever they say that something is cheap, i stop doing it and then do something thats even worse, or to them even cheaper. than edgehogging wont seem as bad by comparison. so next time, instead of just holding the edge, jump off for a freee back air, or even better let them fal past you and than fall off and spike them and then SD.
Mindgames, i never leave home without them

 

[Nemireck]

If your friends are unwilling to use the techniques that lead to victory, then you are playing with scrubs. Go find better players who are playing to win, instead of only playing for fun.

 

[Eternal phoenix Fire]

No johns.
That's all, really

 

[Lucan Desmond]

If your friends are unwilling to use the techniques that lead to victory, then you are playing with scrubs. Go find better players who are playing to win, instead of playing for fun.

I agree... almost. ALWAYS play for fun, AND play to win. Don't take the game so seriously that you lose friends over it! In the end, it is just a game. A game you want to win, but don't play so hard that your friends think you're an ***hole and stop talking to you. It's true that most people who complain about a tactic like this a "scrubs" that are simply not as good as you, but that doesn't mean you should insult them or ditch them. Try to teach them to counter the tactic and then you can all become better players together. Before you know it, they'll be edgehogging against you and you'll have nobody to blame but yourself! Then you'll have to get better too!

 

[Nemireck]

I agree... almost. ALWAYS play for fun, AND play to win. Don't take the game so seriously that you lose friends over it! In the end, it is just a game. A game you want to win, but don't play so hard that your friends think you're an ***hole and stop talking to you. It's true that most people who complain about a tactic like this a "scrubs" that are simply not as good as you, but that doesn't mean you should insult them or ditch them. Try to teach them to counter the tactic and then you can all become better players together. Before you know it, they'll be edgehogging against you and you'll have nobody to blame but yourself! Then you'll have to get better too!

I edited my post

His point is that he's TRIED to teach his friends how to edgehog, but because they have labeled the move as "cheap" they refuse to use it. And yet they still continue to complain about him using it.

His options are thus:
A) Stop using it against this group of friends.
B) Find a better crew of brawl players who play to win.
C) Both A) and B)

 

[-notic]

if they can't comprehend edgehogging then get some new friends that do

 

[falco999]

show them how you get points for it. at least in melee you did

 

[1170]

I feel your pain. My friends used to complain that I used Marth. They would blame every single loss on the fact that I used Marth. Before I came along, they wouldn't even let anyone else use Marth, simply because his sword was 'cheap'. So I killed them. And now they know how to counter Marth, and don't even complain.

So, I suggest killing them over and over and over edgehogging. Or, if your friends are the type to punch you in the face after multiple successive edgehogs, pretend that you are a really bad edgehogger (ie, die multiple times trying to edgehog. Press down, or something.) Then, gradually get better, but slowly enoguh that they don't realize it.

 

[Vayseth]

Edge hog is an award in the post-game battle screen right? You get points for it!

 

[I Like Ike!]

in a game where the whole point is to knock your opponent off the edge letting them back on is pretty stupid

True, but I gain higher satisfaction knocking someone for a mile.

 

[Orpheus]

Edgehoging isn't even something easy to do.
If your friends are complaining about a skill that was meant to be in a game, just play with other people whom don't take the game seriously but still have fun playing it.

 

[ph00tbag]

Tell them how emasculated their being. All guys hate knowing they're emasculated.

 

[SothE700k]

Haha yeah...

Eh, if it gets them angry, keep doing it. That's what I do, they started trying to do it to me (although I just knock them off or go above them) so they get so frustrated that they'll just start doing it more often.

Fun to see complainers doing the one thing their "code of honor" tells them NOT to do lol

(100th post ^_^)

 

[Dante X]

I've got a friend who bags on people for edge guarding and edge hogging, so I know how you feel. Just tell them it's part of the game and to move on with their lives.

 

[yoonie]

i convince my friend's it a valid technique by using it to win. a lot.

 

[rigapeen]

get new friends, duh