Max?
Smash Champion
This matchup is stupid hard.
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How to beat fox with DK
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OddCrow
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IDK how janky this is from 1 - 10, but I've had good success with using forward-b to edgeguard fox&falco's illusions, and spinning kong pokes on their up-b to decent results.
Forward b is usually bad, but on the illusion moves, they can only land in one of two places, one if they are far from the ledge, and well-timed forward-b is gg
Forward b is usually bad, but on the illusion moves, they can only land in one of two places, one if they are far from the ledge, and well-timed forward-b is gg
ChivalRuse
Smash Hero
Study videos of Bum and Phish-It.
(and Green Ranger)
(and Green Ranger)
Full jump back airs all dayyyy
ChivalRuse
Smash Hero
Full jumping is bad in this game.
Full jump double back air
all DAY
all DAY
krazyzyko
Smash Champion
To edgeguard illussion you should F-tilt or D-tilt. If l'm too late, l up B towards the edge and edgehog.
Well spaced bairs hit firefox everytime. But if l'm not well positioned l use side B when he recovers from below.
You guys are playing too much PM, his nair is pretty bad. I've only used it in a ledgehop regrab to punish a whiff.
Well spaced bairs hit firefox everytime. But if l'm not well positioned l use side B when he recovers from below.
You guys are playing too much PM, his nair is pretty bad. I've only used it in a ledgehop regrab to punish a whiff.
MrMo
Smash Rookie
As far as edgeguarding Fox:
1. Butt bump (under 100% ledge recovery) Fox's illusion and firefox to knock them back off the stage. This gives you time to follow-up with a b-air and/or up-b from the edge of the stage
2. Up-b Fox's firefox if they're below the ledge or far enough from the stage that you can easily predict the up-b angle.
3. F-tilt or d-tilt Fox's illusion/firefox
4. D-throw from the edge and follow-up with a b-air and/or up-b. I learned this one from DFU
Some of the things I've learned against Fox players is that they will bait your grabs (and punish missed ones), shine you off stage and c-cancel your b-airs & tilts.
That said, spacing and working your neutral game will (ideally) make Fox players less inclined to just nairplane in whenever they fill like it. For example: f-tilt their nair; ground slap obnoxious dash-dancers (once or twice, followed by a headbutt or dk-punch and they'll get the idea, heh); b-air/n-air --> grab combos; n-air --> d-tilt to create space.
Also, abuse platforms for your combos, especially shorter platforms like on Battlefield and Yoshi's as DK's headbutt hitbox covers most (if not all) of the surface. If you're close to the edge during or at the start of a up-cargo combo, players will DI off the edge so pick a follow-up that's safe (up-b, fading f-air, b-air...). One of the things I see Green Ranger do is take Fox (and Falco) to a top platform before starting an up-throw combo because it makes DI much less effective.
Good luck.
1. Butt bump (under 100% ledge recovery) Fox's illusion and firefox to knock them back off the stage. This gives you time to follow-up with a b-air and/or up-b from the edge of the stage
2. Up-b Fox's firefox if they're below the ledge or far enough from the stage that you can easily predict the up-b angle.
3. F-tilt or d-tilt Fox's illusion/firefox
4. D-throw from the edge and follow-up with a b-air and/or up-b. I learned this one from DFU
Some of the things I've learned against Fox players is that they will bait your grabs (and punish missed ones), shine you off stage and c-cancel your b-airs & tilts.
That said, spacing and working your neutral game will (ideally) make Fox players less inclined to just nairplane in whenever they fill like it. For example: f-tilt their nair; ground slap obnoxious dash-dancers (once or twice, followed by a headbutt or dk-punch and they'll get the idea, heh); b-air/n-air --> grab combos; n-air --> d-tilt to create space.
Also, abuse platforms for your combos, especially shorter platforms like on Battlefield and Yoshi's as DK's headbutt hitbox covers most (if not all) of the surface. If you're close to the edge during or at the start of a up-cargo combo, players will DI off the edge so pick a follow-up that's safe (up-b, fading f-air, b-air...). One of the things I see Green Ranger do is take Fox (and Falco) to a top platform before starting an up-throw combo because it makes DI much less effective.
Good luck.
dahuterschuter
Smash Journeyman
When I watch Green Ranger he's also doing the up-air strings banana slamming Foxes for pretty much every bit of damage and to get the KO.
Up-B. A lot.
Once Fox is off the stage DK has a ton of options. Wait for the recovery and act accordingly. Even a traded bair into a firefox will set you up nicely, and learning to sweet-spot the up-b is really important. I usually cargo, full jump off the stage and forward throw. You can usually DJ back and either grab the edge or camp the stage. Don't be afraid to jump out there either. I routinely run off the edge or jump out to sweet spot an up-b.
Once Fox is off the stage DK has a ton of options. Wait for the recovery and act accordingly. Even a traded bair into a firefox will set you up nicely, and learning to sweet-spot the up-b is really important. I usually cargo, full jump off the stage and forward throw. You can usually DJ back and either grab the edge or camp the stage. Don't be afraid to jump out there either. I routinely run off the edge or jump out to sweet spot an up-b.