How reliable are diddys grabs for KOing?

[Diddy King]

Like sometimes I use Ness and I've lerned grabs can be deadly. Obviously diddys grabs are no ware near ness' but is it a good substitution for his weak smashes? On final D I think its pretty useless but on Corneria I think it can be good.

 

[SuSa]

A fresh Fthrow at around 140% for most of the cast near the edge of FD (so just grab them near the edge) will KO I've noticed. Even with good DI

I use Fthrow to ko, and if its a tad stale and didn't, Diddy has an awesome edgeguarding game vs most of the cast

 

[Player-1]

It's about the same as an Ftit

 

[IDK]

good example P1. but yeah sometimes i'll fthrow kill after a banana.

 

[Nicktendo]

yeah around 150% usually works, unless there a heavy character. then good luck for it ever killing

 

[saberhof]

Great explanations^

I find Fthrow AND Bthrow both good kill moves, i dont doubt them both, i actually sometimes go for a pivot grab to Bthrow after a banana slip :D...very nifty stuff

but yeah after 150%, even if you used it, it might still send them very far, so they are VERY reliable...

 

[Kaptain Kong]

i find that at low percentages you can up throw to set up a combo, but for k.o.-ing I usually use f-throw.
does d-throw have any uses?

 

[Kaptain Kong]

whoops, i accidentally posted again, i must have clicked too many times waiting for it to post (bad internet)

 

[saberhof]

^ downthrow...probably spacing, or just using it for no reason, instead of using another throw :O

 

[IDK]

i think someone posted once i dont remember the percentage but dthrow to dash off edge and spike. saber: why would you pivot to bthrow? not as strong as fthrow. right?

 

[saberhof]

it looks awesome after they slip...and it changes a directory they were clearly pressing or something they tried to do...i have tested this with people and i look at their controller while doing it. pretty amazing what you can do....

 

[Nicktendo]

Bthrow does seem to have kill potential as well, not strong as fthrow though. Someone should do percents on diffrent weight classes with fresh throws

 

[pokemon_legend]

diddys grabs can be helpful if the opponent is on a high percentage

 

[Vall3y]

you can just kill with fthrow on very high % by instant throwing them if they dont di

they arent reliable like any of diddy's ko moves

 

[bludhoundz]

They set up for edgeguarding well.

They don't really KO until higher % unless you're on a small stage (Corneria was already listed, and is a good example of this).

 

[Martial]

They won't KO until high percents. If you're playing someone like Ness, it's better to just grab release them and Dsmash.

 

[HMD]

the momentum of the throw changes like sometimes B Throw is better because u use the f throw a lot

 

[Mattmiston]

I havn't killed any human with a throw in my memory, I've landed a few on computers, but it's difficult to rely on throws against humans. I do use grabs/throws after throwing a banana at someone, though.

 

[Le_THieN]

I havn't killed any human with a throw in my memory, I've landed a few on computers, but it's difficult to rely on throws against humans. I do use grabs/throws after throwing a banana at someone, though.

Really? I average at least four or five KOs via F-throw or B-throw a night. ROB can be KOed in the neighborhood of 130% near the edges of Final Destination with B-throws (if it's fresh, of course), and Meta Knight falls to this at considerably earlier percents.

One thing that I have noticed that no one else does throughout the match is pound their opponents after grabbing them. The flash and the glitz and glamour that comes with keeping a constant rhythm going by glide-tossing like a maniac and immediately cartwheeling into aerial setups and and the grabbing and B-throwing looks pretty cool; but these days I'm all about stacking on damage with attacks that I know aren't viable kill moves, especially if it's for free. You can normally get anywhere between 2-5 consecutive D-tilts on an opponent depending on their DI, and most people really tend to do a halfhearted job with button-mashing in order to break a grab. I'm all about trading the rhythm of a flashy offense for free damage, and you're going to enjoy it even more when an extra 8% from four pounds on an opponent in the upper 100% range results in a F-throw kill near the side of one stage.