How good is Sonic?

[darkspatan117]

Well my opinion about Sonic is that he really fast,can combo well,his approch is fantastic is, recovery is not bad too. But I think Sonic priority let him down in some matchup notably Wario Bite move. Sonic can't approach him on the ground and nulify is best approach. So I wonder about will Sonic hold his own against the best chars ?(P.S don't talk about Sonic placement in the tier list)

 

[smashingme]

sonic is pretty much the worst character in game. i know people are gonna whine about this but this is just the truth i want to main him but i just cant because hes to crappy

 

[darkspatan117]

but why is he crappy he is at least faster than most for attacking and has better AT tan say Ike.Hey I'm asking why can he be good not how crappy he is

 

[smashingme]

i know its just that.. ive been playing this for a half year or so now i played against all characters online u should really forget about sonic i know hes cool and all but hes just not the one you want to spend time on on smash.

 

[darkspatan117]

Online is mostly not a good place to play against other people it lag like fu***ing too much but sonic is average and that all he not the worst like you said earlier

 

[smashingme]

i almost never have lag i just play with people from my region else i quit sonic would be good if he had more then 1 really predictble finishing move

 

[Red-Blue]

This thread needs some grammar-spray.

 

[Exia 00]

This thread needs some grammar-spray.

Thats a bit off topic. Anyways IMO, hes not as bad as people. If he was that bad, why are people so annoyed to fight a good sonic ? "The sword is as good as the person who weilds it". I dont know how i came up witi that but it means we need better sonic mains. That way we can improve his game so others know how to play him properly.

 

[Browny]

and an ounce of intelligence wouldnt hurt too

anyway sonic is ok. Hes ranked around the lower-middle in the tournament rankings thread (not a tier list, it just details each characters performances at tournaments) He can hold his own against most characters, except the usual suspects like MK, G&W.

 

[Terios the Hedgehog]

OMG You just broke new ground!

The thought that Sonic sucks. Wow. Never crossed my mind.......

 

[darkspatan117]

Sonic don't suck but don't rock at the same time so he average at best

 

[Browny]

http://smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=165954

 

[Tenki]

Well my opinion about Sonic is that he really fast,can combo well,his approch is fantastic is, recovery is not bad too. But I think Sonic priority let him down in some matchup notably Wario Bite move. Sonic can't approach him on the ground and nulify is best approach. So I wonder about will Sonic hold his own against the best chars ?(P.S don't talk about Sonic placement in the tier list)

Up-tilted F-smash beats Wario Bite. Screw you.

As Sonic, you have to outmanuever your opponent - hit where the attackbox isn't protecting, hit during his landing lag, grab often, pressure, and mindgame. In other words, he's a bad character by Smash standards, since you have to work harder to win games, but he has character traits that can let a good player win.

You also have to know matchups, so you know WHAT to take advantage of.

PS, was this in general discussion or something? All these nonregulars are creeping me out with all this old news .

 

[darkspatan117]

No it is not and thx for learning me that angled up f-smash can break Wario Bite

 

[aeghrur]

http://smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=165954

Holy crap, I can't believe olimar is, well, underused. Olimar KILLS. =/ Well, at least sonic isn't that underused. To me, Sonic is very fun to use, but as we all know, he isn't the best of characters. He's one of those where you have to work harder to beat people instead of say, oh, MK or Snake. =/

 

[King_Gt]

i know its just that.. ive been playing this for a half year or so now i played against all characters online

Wow, you may just not be a good sonic...
I beat 90% of the people I play against online, not that its anything to brag about.

As for Sonic as a viable character, he's great, you just need to be smart, he's the complete opposite of MK/Snake.

 

[aeghrur]

Wow, you may just not be a good sonic...
I beat 90% of the people I play against online, not that its anything to brag about.

As for Sonic as a viable character, he's great, you just need to be smart, he's the complete opposite of MK/Snake.

Yeah, complete opposite, sigh. No spammable moves, no priority, no great KO moves, etc etc.
But hey, he's unique and fun to play. =)

 

[Mario Moonshine]

I think a better question would be "How BAD is Sonic?".

 

[smashingme]

hehe good one i play lucario and i plainly beat most people ( because i play this game way to much) next to that i just play with sonic if im really that much better then the enemy because he fun

 

[Browny]

or more appropriate yet, why did you even bother posting?

 

[darkspatan117]

No the real question in this thread is to answer if Sonic is able to contest the best chars not to say how bad he his

 

[Terios the Hedgehog]

I think a better question would be "How BAD is Sonic?".

I find it funny you're saying that and you have Mario in your name.

 

[R4ZE]

see.. im totally sick of this crap.. i cant dount how many times i hear people say that sonic is a bad character. in all actuality, sonic is great. you just suck with him. end of story.


the only argument anyone can ever put against sonic being good is lack of priority.

u know what... im just seriously so sick of it, stfu and learn to play. sonic is fantastic, it has been proven by the few elite sonic players.

im not even going to go into the MANY reasons sonic is good, and the few reasons that he is bad. (mainly because im sure i have already done this on 10 or more different threads)

what if ASC beats wario bite? u know what pwns wario bite.? jump behind him and b-air his ***. ok? done.
FACT is that brawl was designed so that every character has a way to beat every move in the game. (very rarely that doesent hold true) Wario bite is not an exception to the rule, just find the counter and quite whining about it.

 

[Tenki]

No the real question in this thread is to answer if Sonic is able to contest the best chars not to say how bad he his

To answer your question bluntly, no.
This thread honestly sounds like you're screening to see if you should main Sonic. If you're going to base your decision on using Sonic based on something like that, it's better to just leave the Sonic boards. If you're willing to learn the matchups and outplay your opponent (the player), then you can win. Your player skill will have to be better than your opponent's skill if you want to win.

 

[smashingme]

lol i like to hear the reasons please xD

 

[Tenki]

lol i like to hear the reasons please xD

Because Sonic has no priority, range, kill power, etc etc. The usual reasons.

However, Snake really isn't as bad of a matchup as Metaknight is. He has alot of things that Sonic can just take advantage of, whereas MK... not so much. As Sonic, you have cancels, speed, feints, whatever, that you can use to force misses from your opponent, or use speed to screw up spacing and get a shieldgrab in. The hardest matchups for Sonic are characters that have high aerial priority or low lag between attacks.

Generally speaking (and some of these are obligatory `.`):
Snake, Luigi, Wario, MK, Peach, GaW, Marth (ehm, good-spacing Marths), and to an extent, aerial-playing Jigglypuff and Samus.

I'm tempted to say (good) Dedede players and Yoshis are tough, but I'll probably have less backup from the Sonic boards for those.

 

[smashingme]

no i was talking to that raze i know sonic just doesnt have it ... yes there are some good players but hell they would be even better with a better character

 

[darkspatan117]

So now we know Sonic only average like Tenki said he probably have no chance against MK and other good char with more priority and low lag attack

 

[Tenki]

Ah okay.

`.`; Some people I've played against on wifi think I'd be a crazy mofo if I ever picked up MK or Snake, but honestly, I just can't pull the same tricks with those chars that I can with Sonic. It doesn't mesh `.`;

I didn't see his post.

Also, Bite > ASC. Sorry ;__;

edit:
He doesn't necessarily have no chance against MK in the sense that a nooby player will beat you just by choosing MK, unless you don't know the matchup at all. There are lots of ways that Sonic can shut down an aggressive or bad MK. I just personally need more matchup experience to learn how get around some of MK's other techniques- like learning the timing to jump, force a missed aerial and double jump an aerial into MK.

 

[darkspatan117]

What mean ASC

 

[Tenki]

I cbf'd to explain it anymore when there are other threads on this.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1QMRTsGfy0c

watch it, learn how to use Sonic, etc.

Oh, and ASC is explained at 8:06.

 

[aeghrur]

see.. im totally sick of this crap.. i cant dount how many times i hear people say that sonic is a bad character. in all actuality, sonic is great. you just suck with him. end of story.


the only argument anyone can ever put against sonic being good is lack of priority.

u know what... im just seriously so sick of it, stfu and learn to play. sonic is fantastic, it has been proven by the few elite sonic players.

im not even going to go into the MANY reasons sonic is good, and the few reasons that he is bad. (mainly because im sure i have already done this on 10 or more different threads)

what if ASC beats wario bite? u know what pwns wario bite.? jump behind him and b-air his ***. ok? done.
FACT is that brawl was designed so that every character has a way to beat every move in the game. (very rarely that doesent hold true) Wario bite is not an exception to the rule, just find the counter and quite whining about it.

As much as I'd like to agree with you(about me sucking as sonic(true) and that sonic can be good), I can't. Sonic just doesn't really match up against chars like MK. =/ An average MK can probably beat a veteran Sonic. The thing about it is, sonic can't really... kill. No priority as you stated, low knockback, and his moves don't come out incredulously fast like MKs. =/ Your right, he can be GREAT in the hands of the elite, but face it, he isn't as good as you say. =/

 

[darkspatan117]

Good vid it revealed some very useful trick with Sonic

 

[da K.I.D.]

MK and Wario are the only high tier characters that have a rediculous advantage on sonic
MK cause of f-air/ having a sword in general
Wario b/c of bite

good sonics can stand their own against any of the other high tier matchups. GaW, D3, Falco, ROB, Olimar, Lucario, Wolf. Although, hes somewhat disadvantaged, he can go toe to toe with any of them, if they play smart and stay unpredictable.

only problem with sonic, is that he is probably the easier character in the game to lose with if you are not good/sandbagging. if you sandbag even a little bit, even a nub ike will **** you in less than 3 minutes. you have to play smart and on point every time.

basically, if you want an easy win, sonic is bad, if you want a satisfying win, hes pretty good

 

[King_Gt]

if you sandbag even a little bit, even a nub ike will **** you in less than 3 minutes.

lol that's replay-worthy
Of course I have to disagree with your Wario problem,
What self-respecting Sonic main would get caught in his Bite, if you get in a bite then "YOURE TOO SLOW!"
Also, I don't really see Ike being able to easily beat Sonic, even a scrub...

 

[Tenki]

lol that's replay-worthy
Of course I have to disagree with your Wario problem,
What self-respecting Sonic main would get caught in his Bite, if you get in a bite then "YOURE TOO SLOW!"
Also, I don't really see Ike being able to easily beat Sonic, even a scrub...

Ah, but you see, Wario can use bite in offense as well as defense, and combo into it from his approaches.

I've played a bad Ike as Sonic and tried to 230% U-throw-kill him because I was 2-3stocking the 'serious' rounds. `.`; I guess it counts as sandbagging, but it wasn't that bad. da K.I.D. is right though. Unless consciously seeking landing lag and post attack lag and grabbing alot is part of your sandbagging, letting your guard down is an easy way to throw a match with Sonic.

 

[ROOOOY!]

I hate noobs. Passionately.
And Da Kid, he's not disadvantaged against Wolf. :') The Wolf boards actually have him as neutral, I myself am not too sure.
And IMO Sonic is at least neutral with Dedede.

 

[Umby]

Sonic is definitely disadvantaged vs D3, no matter how slight the disadvantage is. Wolf vs Sonic is definitely even, though.

 

[ROOOOY!]

I love it when people who main characters worse than Sonic come in and rant about how bad Sonic is, like a Mario main for example, obviously Sonic is the 'worst character evar'.
Meh.
And I'll take your word for the Dedede part, I don't play mains who can time the chaingrab when playing against Sonic, so yeah.
I'm guessing it's Dedede's ease of killing Sonic?

 

[Tenki]

It sounds stupid, but Dedede's rising B-air and multi jumps make trying to shieldgrab landings a pain `.`;

Mario is a pretty versatile character with better overall priority than Sonic. Heck, he has projectiles that set up traps without leaving himself open to landing camping, and a reflector, disruptor, and spikes to boot.