Dandy_here
Smash Journeyman
What I mean is how consistent your play is with sheik? Can you go a week without even using sheik and do well at tournament or must you train your *** of for 5 hours everyday?
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I can't play Sheik with my friends. It's too good for em.I've gone two weeks without playing, played a bunch of friendlies the night before the local tournament the next day and gotten 4th, beating an ice climber main I had been struggling with forever. Consistency is kind of subjective, but if you want to get certain things down like your needle game, movement game, tech chasing, etc, practicing a lot helps a ton. I do practice a lot of movement and needle tech and it makes things like going weeks without playing easier.
To add on to this, you can always practice 1v2s and SDing a few of your stocks away and still trying to beat your friends. It sounds silly and your friends may see it as disrespectful but it will keep you honest with only choosing good options and not doing dumb ****.Also if your sheik is too good for your friends, **** around with you secondaries, but switch to sheik by the end, because you always need the practice.
I'm on my friends account. I also play Marth and Falcon. And a pocket doc.Consistency is entirely on the player. Some players are better at being able to keep their play about the same without much practice, others aren't.
In general, no matter what character you main, you want to be putting in at least 1 hour of solo practice a day (working on movement, tech, guaranteed combos, etc).
Also if your sheik is too good for your friends, **** around with you secondaries, but switch to sheik by the end, because you always need the practice.
alright, well like I said, the key way to improve consistency and be able to preform well in a competitive setting is experience and that solo time.I'm on my friends account. I also play Marth and Falcon. And a pocket doc.
Sounds like you gotta find some new people to play with then HomieI can't play Sheik with my friends. It's too good for em.
The smash club starts too late since its on a school day and many tournaments are an hour a day so I can't come out often. My friends at school aren't that excited about figuring out how to do all that fancy looking stuff we do in competitive smash, one just rage quit today after 30 seconds against my sheik claiming that the gcn controller wasn't good.Sounds like you gotta find some new people to play with then Homie
do you not have a scene bigger than your friends where you live?
Lmao. I know exactly how you feel man, this happens often and I've gone through the same thing with my friends who now don't play melee. It's the test to see who actually is dedicated and loves Melee rather than just loves winning at a smash gameThe smash club starts too late since its on a school day and many tournaments are an hour a day so I can't come out often. My friends at school aren't that excited about figuring out how to do all that fancy looking stuff we do in competitive smash, one just rage quit today after 30 seconds against my sheik claiming that the gcn controller wasn't good.
Im on spring break now so I am going and there is a tournament on the 11th like 10 minutes away from me!Lmao. I know exactly how you feel man, this happens often and I've gone through the same thing with my friends who now don't play melee. It's the test to see who actually is dedicated and loves Melee rather than just loves winning at a smash game
If it's a School smash club, they usually aren't the best place to get good melee in, but it's a start. You should try getting some games in there even if it is against scrubs.
Just make the trip out there yourself one time to see how it goes, and when you get there acquaint yourself with as many cool dudes as possible and get some phone numbers for people to play ask where they're from, and you could find that people live closer to you than you think. Possibly wait until summer break if it's on school days?
Hell yeah man, get as many friendlies in as possible and tell me how it goes, add me if you'd likeIm on spring break now so I am going and there is a tournament on the 11th like 10 minutes away from me!
Can you give me some sheik tips, I feel my Sheik hasn't been as good as I need it to beHell yeah man, get as many friendlies in as possible and tell me how it goes, add me if you'd like
That's good. I don't get injuries on my arms or hands so I don't really know how it feels to not be able to practice. The closest to injury I had is where I had to switch my control scheme on project m because I hurt my finger practicing l canceling for 4 hours strauightI started june last year and apart from my injury keeping me away from smash totally I haven't been able to/felt like taking any kind of break from practicing, so I guess I can't really answer.
I voted 'not at all' since when I came back I lost a lot of the control I had before the injury. Plus I had to start using a completely new grip messing up most of all the inputs I was used to.
It's kinda cool because I can tell I almost improve on a daily basis.
I am going to my first tournament is a while soon, so I can put my skills to a test.
Sure. Here are some random basic tips off the top of my headCan you give me some sheik tips, I feel my Sheik hasn't been as good as I need it to be
YOU are the homie. Thanks for the tips!Sure. Here are some random basic tips off the top of my head
Get your Wavedash out of shield, and nair out of shield down. You need your out of shield options against all characters because they help get out of pressure and help pursue punishes. If marth forward smashes your shield, wavedash out of shield toward him and grab. There will be a space that you should recognize your wavedash will cover after a laggy attack preformed by your opponent, make the decision if you can make it to them for punish in time based on the move they used.
If fox or falco is spamming pressure on your shield, nair out of shield and hold away from them to get back to a safe position. I do nair out of shield by flicking jump on tap jump and a, so i can get the short hop version of it. Wavedash out of shield is preformed by wavedashing while just holding shield. If you shield and wavedash with the same button its kind of hardder because you'll have to learn a timing, but if not its a little easy.
Fair > Jab on shield is pretty good, because if they try to shield grab your fair they get jabbed, and if they get jabbed you can get a free grab > down throw off of it. If they catch on to the jab and start waiting for the jab to shield grab, just grab after the fair.
In Neutral you want to be able to have your movement crispy.
Ground movement, platform wavelands, reverse needle cancels, all on point. Bait whiffs by dash dancing into their attack range and quickly running back out and turn around grabbing after the whiff.Down throw is always what youre going to want to go for. On fast fallers you want to go for the regrab tech chases until probably about 40-50 percent, because before then they'll crouch cancel your fairs and tilts. Dash canceled grab is super important, preformed by running and pressing a and Z in the same type of fashion you would as if you were jump cancel grabbing, it'll extend your reach for the regrabs. If you've tech chased them to that percentage, try to read a tech in place with an up smash to a forward tilt forward air, things like that. You can also read tech rolls with wavedash dash and forward tilt to pick them up of the ground for the fair.
For characters like Marth, you want to put pressure on him with needles from the platforms, followed by falling down fair or fair jab grabs. Once you get the grab, you can regrab a few times until he di's neutral above you and you can get a tipper f smash (Same goes for any character you can chaingrab really save the heavy ones), or you can just forward tilt/ forward air after the down throw, depending on percentage.
Floaties like puff and peach you want to get good grab follow ups off of, but be careful grabbing puff because she can duck > rest your grab.
Peach: Once you get the grab on peach, dthrow chain grabs about two times and then you should probably up tilt or forward tilt after the grab, follow their DI from there. If they're at like 30 percent and DI away , jump forward air fast fall and dash regrab her, its guaranteed every time. you mainly want to get good fairs, bairs, and edge guards on her.
Puff i just usually space back airs against, and if i get close and get in i lock her in front of me with jabs, grab and punish her from there
On low tiers usually you can just get free forward tilts up tilts or fairs/ ftilt > fairs off of them while grabbing, so go for grabs and follow up according to the moves you use
For any characters that land on platforms after down throw you have a few cool options you can do to tech chase them from under
You can read their techs with up air from under them and usually the up airs chain into more up airs and then into a fair or bair, or you could do a rising down air to read a tech and that leads into up air or forward air. I usually do this for techs in place. When reading techs on platforms, WAIT FOR THEIR TECHS. Wait until the MOMENT you see (Ex. Marth) Tech in place on the platform and start to get up before you jump from under with the up air, otherwise they'll be invinsible and itll whiff and you get nothing.
Edge guarding is hella important for sheik, so For edge guarding tips on characters check my post on this thread:
http://smashboards.com/threads/edge-guarding-problems.389506/#post-18503624
No problem my dawg. If you run into any problems or form any questions feel free to quote me here with them or message me personally.YOU are the homie. Thanks for the tips!
BIG PROBLEM. My mom is very very against me playing videogames. I can't do anything like tournaments until I get a car. Which means nearly 4 years and no practice against a human at all. Is there any way to convince my mom?No problem my dawg. If you run into any problems or form any questions feel free to quote me here with them or message me personally.
There is hope, trust me!BIG PROBLEM. My mom is very very against me playing videogames. I can't do anything like tournaments until I get a car. Which means nearly 4 years and no practice against a human at all. Is there any way to convince my mom?
That was quite a read! Very well put!Sure. Here are some random basic tips off the top of my head
Get your Wavedash out of shield, and nair out of shield down. You need your out of shield options against all characters because they help get out of pressure and help pursue punishes. If marth forward smashes your shield, wavedash out of shield toward him and grab. There will be a space that you should recognize your wavedash will cover after a laggy attack preformed by your opponent, make the decision if you can make it to them for punish in time based on the move they used.
If fox or falco is spamming pressure on your shield, nair out of shield and hold away from them to get back to a safe position. I do nair out of shield by flicking jump on tap jump and a, so i can get the short hop version of it. Wavedash out of shield is preformed by wavedashing while just holding shield. If you shield and wavedash with the same button its kind of hardder because you'll have to learn a timing, but if not its a little easy.
Fair > Jab on shield is pretty good, because if they try to shield grab your fair they get jabbed, and if they get jabbed you can get a free grab > down throw off of it. If they catch on to the jab and start waiting for the jab to shield grab, just grab after the fair.
In Neutral you want to be able to have your movement crispy.
Ground movement, platform wavelands, reverse needle cancels, all on point. Bait whiffs by dash dancing into their attack range and quickly running back out and turn around grabbing after the whiff.Down throw is always what youre going to want to go for. On fast fallers you want to go for the regrab tech chases until probably about 40-50 percent, because before then they'll crouch cancel your fairs and tilts. Dash canceled grab is super important, preformed by running and pressing a and Z in the same type of fashion you would as if you were jump cancel grabbing, it'll extend your reach for the regrabs. If you've tech chased them to that percentage, try to read a tech in place with an up smash to a forward tilt forward air, things like that. You can also read tech rolls with wavedash dash and forward tilt to pick them up of the ground for the fair.
For characters like Marth, you want to put pressure on him with needles from the platforms, followed by falling down fair or fair jab grabs. Once you get the grab, you can regrab a few times until he di's neutral above you and you can get a tipper f smash (Same goes for any character you can chaingrab really save the heavy ones), or you can just forward tilt/ forward air after the down throw, depending on percentage.
Floaties like puff and peach you want to get good grab follow ups off of, but be careful grabbing puff because she can duck > rest your grab.
Peach: Once you get the grab on peach, dthrow chain grabs about two times and then you should probably up tilt or forward tilt after the grab, follow their DI from there. If they're at like 30 percent and DI away , jump forward air fast fall and dash regrab her, its guaranteed every time. you mainly want to get good fairs, bairs, and edge guards on her.
Puff i just usually space back airs against, and if i get close and get in i lock her in front of me with jabs, grab and punish her from there
On low tiers usually you can just get free forward tilts up tilts or fairs/ ftilt > fairs off of them while grabbing, so go for grabs and follow up according to the moves you use
For any characters that land on platforms after down throw you have a few cool options you can do to tech chase them from under
You can read their techs with up air from under them and usually the up airs chain into more up airs and then into a fair or bair, or you could do a rising down air to read a tech and that leads into up air or forward air. I usually do this for techs in place. When reading techs on platforms, WAIT FOR THEIR TECHS. Wait until the MOMENT you see (Ex. Marth) Tech in place on the platform and start to get up before you jump from under with the up air, otherwise they'll be invinsible and itll whiff and you get nothing.
Edge guarding is hella important for sheik, so For edge guarding tips on characters check my post on this thread:
http://smashboards.com/threads/edge-guarding-problems.389506/#post-18503624
Tell her you're very serious about it and as corny as this sounds possibly show her this part of the last episode of the doccumentary ( https://youtu.be/nKzYWqkga74?t=797 ) and maybe that will appeal to adult logic lmfaoBIG PROBLEM. My mom is very very against me playing videogames. I can't do anything like tournaments until I get a car. Which means nearly 4 years and no practice against a human at all. Is there any way to convince my mom?
Eh I probably wouldn't mention the money thing =)Tell her you're very serious about it and as corny as this sounds possibly show her this part of the last episode of the doccumentary ( https://youtu.be/nKzYWqkga74?t=797 ) and maybe that will appeal to adult logic lmfao
on top of that just tell her you really enjoy the game and competing is fun and you want to get good enough to win money, things like that
She is quite honestly annoying at this point. First, she says something along the lines of everyone being strangers, which makes zero sense because everyone you know was once a stranger. Then she says "We've already talked about this, ask again and tour game is going out the room." Remember, all I did was ask, literally nothing else. I just asked a question. After reading your post, I went to talk with her and the conversation goes as follows. " I want to have a discussion." Mom: " About what?" Me "Gaming." She then proceeds to end the conversation by saying that the topic was not open for discussion.Tell her you're very serious about it and as corny as this sounds possibly show her this part of the last episode of the doccumentary ( https://youtu.be/nKzYWqkga74?t=797 ) and maybe that will appeal to adult logic lmfao
on top of that just tell her you really enjoy the game and competing is fun and you want to get good enough to win money, things like that
Maan, what a schmuck. How old are you?She is quite honestly annoying at this point. First, she says something along the lines of everyone being strangers, which makes zero sense because everyone you know was once a stranger. Then she says "We've already talked about this, ask again and tour game is going out the room." Remember, all I did was ask, literally nothing else. I just asked a question. After reading your post, I went to talk with her and the conversation goes as follows. " I want to have a discussion." Mom: " About what?" Me "Gaming." She then proceeds to end the conversation by saying that the topic was not open for discussion.
I'm 13, only a few days older than melee. She says I have to do something in the summer, but I would much rather do something I like.Maan, what a schmuck. How old are you?
Ah, well I understand. You're an early bloomer, kudos to you and your godlike taste in games this early.I'm 13, only a few days older than melee. She says I have to do something in the summer, but I would much rather do something I like.
How about introducing melee to one of your friends? Have him come over and practice?I'm 13, only a few days older than melee. She says I have to do something in the summer, but I would much rather do something I like.
Thanks for the support, I greatly appreciate it. I shall push on in this long war!We have kids as young as 12 come to our weekly in Pittsburgh (MoaL), they've come with their parents before and they've continued to come back. The tight-knit and friendly nature of the community will likely speak for itself. Your situation is tough though, I've been there when I was much younger with gaming events.
Keep up your grades and whatnot, and propose that your Mom comes with you to a tourney. She'll come around when she sees how cool we are.