How competitive do you think brawl will get?

[AttackstorM]

I was talking to my friend who I used to go to melee tournaments with. He said a horrible thing, he said brawl will not be a competitive game. He thinks brawl will not be competitive material. Of course I disagree with him and I do think there will be a pretty good competitive scene but his comment did get me to thinking. Brawl looks like it will be outrageously fun no matter what but I am a little worried about the competitive scene. Sakurai obviously made this game with more of a casual gaming approach in mind. The development team took out known advanced techniques, added final smashes(which are cool but contraversal for competitive play), put alot of effort in developing the items aspect of the game and making strong ones at that such as assist trophies and dragoon, omitted a ranking system, forced 2 min time limit and items on with anyone mode. Hopefully there will be many people and organization that will look past all this and will contribute into making a nice healthy competitive scene for brawl ! Long live Brawl!!!!

 

[Firestorm88]

Just as competitive as Melee? Situation looks the same as it was in 2001 in regards to Melee so I don't understand why everyone has their panties in a bunch. Online is a non-issue in regards to competitive play as the big tournaments are going to be done offline anyway. Hell, with Friends will be the way most people who want to get better are going to find matches.

Tell your friend he's acting as stupid as the people on SmashBoards and GameFAQs.

 

[Noypi_GjD]

More than Melee's.

 

[Chaosblade77]

I agree, I think the competitive scene will be larger than that of Melee, mostly because this game is a much larger release than Melee was.

More people will initially have the game and the more it spreads, the larger the competitive scene will get.

 

[Takeshi245]

It will be competitive, but it seems like it may not have as deep a fighting system as Melee had. They removed the Ink Drop and L-cancelling which could've added some more depth. I'll just have to wait.

 

[Team Giza]

Its too early to know. The game could evolve like crazy throughout the next to years or it might have a bit of a jump the first month and then just cap out right there. I am hoping for the first one of coarse.

I mean we got at least one attack cancel in the form of Falco's dash attack canceling into his upsmash. Who knows what else there is in this category, could be some crazy stuff. Obviously the game will evolve and we will learn new tactics but how many there are going to be is impossible to determine right now.

 

[Dojo999]

I think it will get as competitive as people want to take it. Hell, I could make lawnmowing competitive. If they really want to compete brawl should be more than enough for them.

 

[Canvas]

Considering there's already a self reporting ranking system in the works, and just the larger scale of the game, I'll have to agree that the competitive scene will be larger. Same goes for actual tournaments.

What I like is that this time I have a feeling there will be a place for both competitive and casual gamers. Not that Melee didn't have a place for them, but this time it seems as if it will be larger as well.

 

[XSilvenX]

Just as competitive as Melee? Situation looks the same as it was in 2001 in regards to Melee so I don't understand why everyone has their panties in a bunch. Online is a non-issue in regards to competitive play as the big tournaments are going to be done offline anyway. Hell, with Friends will be the way most people who want to get better are going to find matches.

Tell your friend he's acting as stupid as the people on SmashBoards and GameFAQs.

Not exactly...not many people were even considering Melee to be a competitive game because nobody was looking forward to it in that sense... I mean c'mon 99% of the players were still used to playing with Pokeballs on High setting with their friends. The game took a more competitive approach with people playing frantically and finding out advanced techniques (beyond L-cancelling) pretty much after the organization of tournaments. Of course there were a few exceptions but let's be honest...pretty much all of us did not consider Smash Bros Melee a tournament worthy game until 2 or 3 years later when videos started showing up.

POINT IS...Nobody was expecting to play Melee at tournaments.

Now with that said I agree with you when you say it will be just as competitive as melee if not more with the surplus of new players we've been gathering over the wait for Brawl. The thing is since most people are so accustomed to wavedashing, airdodging, l-cancelling and other techniques to be the critical components of the competitive element in the game.... they fail to realize that since Brawl is pretty much a new game there may..or may not be a set of new advanced techniques that provide the same variety in character play that allows each player to be individualized and not bogged down and limited to his or her character..therefore allowing competitive play to be varied and skill based and less based on the functionining of technicalities in the game such as priority, speed, move lag and such...you know the drill...

For the people who can't understand...I'm basically saying it has a good chance of being a tournament worthy game as long as certain things aren't out of whack. ^_^...final smashes aside of course...

Also my opinion on FS's in tournies = go for it...since they are all avoidalbe and none seem all that broken... It's not like I can't simply jump over Marth's or stay out of the range of Peach's. And since you have to work (break the smash ball) for the ball, it won't be so easy to get.....unless of course one shows up while your opponent is being Star KO'd ..that would suck..

 

[Firestorm88]

The thing is, how competitive a game is is not based on release information. A truly competitive game has to prove to be competitive over a prolonged period of time. The way a game evolves is people finding newer techniques to advance it. If Brawl doesn't evolve, it will not be competitive or fun. It's going to be stagnant.

 

[XSilvenX]

The thing is, how competitive a game is is not based on release information. A truly competitive game has to prove to be competitive over a prolonged period of time. The way a game evolves is people finding newer techniques to advance it. If Brawl doesn't evolve, it will not be competitive or fun. It's going to be stagnant.

In the case of Melee it was like this but honestly I slightly disagree because most games that are taken very seriously in tournaments now have been developed to be competitive from the start. Starcraft, Warcraft, Halo, Third Strike, Guilty Gear, SF turbo, etc etc...Smash is pretty much the only exception because it truly was meant to be a kiddy game...but thanks to people like us ^_^... it's looked at more seriously now.

 

[Ojanya]

It will be larger in my opinion. Not only because it's a wider release, but simply because it's got a larger audience. In all due time, people will find new advanced techniques, play with them, and pioneer a whole new game. Even without advanced techniques, it will always be the devoted people who will come out on top.

 

[Chaosblade77]

Hell, I could make lawnmowing competitive.

That actually happened here

Also my opinion on FS's in tournies = go for it...since they are all avoidalbe and none seem all that broken... It's not like I can't simply jump over Marth's or stay out of the range of Peach's. And since you have to work (break the smash ball) for the ball, it won't be so easy to get.....unless of course one shows up while your opponent is being Star KO'd ..that would suck..

I sort of figured they have a slim chance, but I also say that thinking the whole "can't break explosive containers" is true, and I also suspect they would be on the lowest appearance setting.

 

[K Balls]

to me melee wasnt as good as smash64. there will be more people playing and even more people playing since sonic and snake are in it. and its online, a lot more people will play

 

[sHy)(gUy]

i was woried about this games potential to be competitive, but after watching the masashi vs. ikki vids i see alot of potential and thats only them after playing a demo for the first time, alot of meele pros will be turned off at first but some will embrace it and love it, add on all the noobs playing brawl and the metagame will evolve, eventually old pros from meele will start playing brawl and the competive seen will be huge and grow from that point on....

 

[Wrath`]

ever game is comoetetive in its own way, I dont care much ethier, my schools is hypin gto have a tourny like two weeks after its release to the states, and this game wil KICK AZZ no matter what digruntled melle lovers say.

GO WOLF

 

[S0crat3s]

Why people are saying that Brawl won't be tourney-worthy is beyond me...From what I've seen, the majority of characters will be worth playing, and that it's depth isn't dependent on ATs...After all, there is a new airdodge mechanic, trip dodging, gliding, crawling, etc., or are these not tourney-worthy, either?

 

[Patinator]

Everyone's mad and annoyed at the fact Brawl lost L-Cancelling and Wavedashing. Personally, I'm not really upset about it. I wasn't good at WDing or SHFFLing anyway.

It may take a while, but Brawl will be picked up competitively. And then those who whine about competitive games will come back, spam the boards, get banned, come back with a different name, spam, get banned, lather, rinse, repeat.

I'd definately have loose tournament rules if I made one. Smash Balls on low, no other items, Neutral Stages for random, loose counterpicks and banned stages...