How about Zero (X version) for Brawl

[Scintillatedseed]

I think zero is a way cooler addition, and man that black night from fire emblem is way awesome. Also that metroid prime hunters character, and wolf. But if they put in megaman, thye better put in megaman x, because megaman is .. ehh...

 

[The Basement Dweller]

Nuetral B should aslo have a charge attack as well.

The only buster shot he used was charged so they should incorporate that not that I want to see it like that because it would make him worse, but they should keep true to the game.
The ice sppike idea is ok, but doesn't seem practical it would only work in the air.

 

[Y34HDUD3!!!]

Zero would b better but they will surely add Megaman instead.

 

[Skyshroud]

Zero definitely has attack potential from MMX: Command Mission. His action trigger (and even his force metal) gave me some attack ideas:

B - Z Buster: Mega Man isn't the only one with a cannon-arm . Hold down to charge. Ranged speed (depends on length of charge), Damage 2% (min) to 25% (max)

B-> - Heat Haze: Similiar to Fox/Falco's B->, Zero charges with sword quickly, several red illusions appear behind him, but shorter ranged. High Speed, low damage (6-7%?)

BUp - I like OrlanduEX's idea here.

BDown - Wave Slash (thought it sounded cooler than slash wave): Zero pulls sword up to head height, then jabs down into the ground, causing a small wave of damage. Medium Speed - 8-10% if hit by sword, 3% for each attack wave (max 4 waves).

Ideas for other attacks:

A - Slash: Simple attack. Fast, Damage - 4%ish?
AA - Counterslash: Simple, swings again. Speed and Damage = same as A
AAA - Small Buster Shot: Similiar to a fully charged attack from Zero in X3, he follows with a buster shot, but I kept it small to keep the power level down. Small lag before firing, another 3-5%?

Smash -> A: Similiar to Marth and Roy's Dragon Killer (Smash -> A), but the slash is performed horizontally, to reduce the hitbox and even the power out a bit. Med-Fast speed, 8-25% damage.

I dunno, just some ideas I had, let me know what you think.

 

[zombie7775]

seems good to me.

 

[The Basement Dweller]

Ithink they should give him the three-five hit sword combo from the later versions for his standard A attacks maybe the one from X8. His towards B should be his sword thrust from X8. The one that allows him to break sheild with it, but it is quite laggy and should act like that in Brawl breaking the shield with high knockback and damage to compensate for the slow execution time and the lag afterward which is far less than the time it takes before he executes it so on the game you could combo through the sheild so you wouldn't have to use it repeatedly or the third sword slash rule. The standard B should his buster. It should act like Samus' smash towards B, but take a little longer to shoot so it has to charge because in the X series he doesn't use a smaller shot just a shot similar to X's mid-charged shot. I think this should do more damage than Samus' smash missle to compensate for the charge time allthough it should have less lag after it aswell. His up B should be the fire uppercut as it has been repeatedly used in the games including X8 whichis the most recent and should be considered first if they do puthim in Brawl. His down B should be similar to Pikachu's thunder like the laser power he got in X8.

 

[zombie7775]

Ithink they should give him the three-five hit sword combo from the later versions for his standard A attacks maybe the one from X8. His towards B should be his sword thrust from X8. The one that allows him to break sheild with it, but it is quite laggy and should act like that in Brawl breaking the shield with high knockback and damage to compensate for the slow execution time and the lag afterward which is far less than the time it takes before he executes it so on the game you could combo through the sheild so you wouldn't have to use it repeatedly or the third sword slash rule. The standard B should his buster. It should act like Samus' smash towards B, but take a little longer to shoot so it has to charge because in the X series he doesn't use a smaller shot just a shot similar to X's mid-charged shot. I think this should do more damage than Samus' smash missle to compensate for the charge time allthough it should have less lag after it aswell. His up B should be the fire uppercut as it has been repeatedly used in the games including X8 whichis the most recent and should be considered first if they do puthim in Brawl. His down B should be similar to Pikachu's thunder like the laser power he got in X8.

These attacks make a lot of sense especially because they came from his most recent game. He is going to make a great character in brawl if he makes it.

 

[Skyshroud]

Those are great ideas, but I've never played X8, so naturally I wouldn't know much about it. They are all definitely plausible attacks, plus mine seemed a bit more overpowed (quick, good power attacks, projectile, good recovery).

I think that if Zero gets in, he should be a cummulative character though (bad wording I know, just listen to the explanation). He should draw on abilities from all of the times he has appeared as a playable character.

I like your idea for the fixed buster, as he doesn't really get the non-charged shots. I dunno, I kinda lika both of the b-> ideas, they both work for me. I can't really picture your BDown though, it just seems kind of odd to me, are there any pics of it? Also, it seems like everyone agrees on BUp.

On another note, I think I just found the meaning of life ->

 

[The Basement Dweller]

I can't find a picture of it, but it is a blue laser the exact size of him appearing 2-3 after he callsfor it. It comes from above and goes through platforms and most of the attacks mentioned are used in other versions. The thrust, buster, fire uppercut carry from as early as X5 I think, but they might start from X4 I'm not sure on that though. The laser attack is just from X8 however.the laser in the game only hurts as it is coming down I think, but acts as a sheild while it is active it does however have substansial lag when hegets up though.
His ducking A would have to be the side slash he gets in all the versions he can duck in and the jumping nuetral slash shouldn't be the horizontal slash from X7 it should be the vertical slash he gets in most of the others.

 

[Skyshroud]

All right, that sounds a lot better than what I was picturing (a thin laser coming down and then surrounding Zero is a sort of static), so I guess I'm alright with that. I still like the Slash - Buster combo on his regular A though, it just brings back the memories for me, plus, it is the only real technique you can pull for him from MMX3. So, I vote we change to your BDown, and move the one I had for BDown to Smash Down + A, but decrease the damage so that it is a bit more reasonable.

 

[zombie7775]

http://s34.photobucket.com/albums/d...haracters/?action=view&current=ZeroAvatar.gif

This shows some of Zero's moves.

If I find more I will post it.

 

[The Basement Dweller]

Then for an arial smash down it could be the ice spike similar to Links arial smash down and there is probably a better chance for thesword combo because the saber buster combowas replaced by a three hit sword combo in X4 for and later they added the five hit sword combo as an upgrade with the proper item in X5 I believe.
The laserwould come all the way down and then it forms the dome so it isn't completely accurate there, but zombie's link should help you out Skyshroud.

 

[dj asakura]

i agree with his up b, but i think his neutral b shoudl funtion like foxs or falcos laser. i really dont know what to do about forward b or down b so w/e

as for A attacks. standard AAA combo should be a sword slash 3 times (like in MMZ2)
fwd-a: standard slash
up-a: i think one similar to links would work, maybe just one upward slash
down-a: iunno...something.

for airs, i think, marth's air's would make a lot of sense with zero and how he plays in the games.


and dont apologize for making zero sound fast and powerful, he is. i would to see him be a high tier in Brawl if he were in. i'll tell you what i want from him as a high tier (yes, some of this will be unfair) give him an average jump but give him the wall jumps from teh megaman games which allows for scaling the walls of all stages. make him a faster cahracter (maybe like falco?) but not fox/CF fast. make him a powerful person to, he is and deserves to be. but as a catch, make him light,easy to k.o. and a good wavedash would be cool too,not a luigi/ice climber WD but longer thn say...marth's

unbalanced? probably, but its zero, coem on

 

[The Basement Dweller]

His buster isn't a laser and he should be from the MMX series that is where he originated from. The MMZ series is just a spinoff version of him like Megamen Net Warrior is of Megaman. His smash a would be a horizontal slash. The finish of the 5 hit combo is horizontal so it should be horizontal plus it is the most powerful of the five. The up smash should be the jumping slash he does for his fourth hit. Again it is very powerful and it is the only upward slash he actually uses. the tilts could be similar versions of these with less knockback and power. The down smash would be a more powerful version of the sweeping slash he would use for his ducking attack.

 

[dj asakura]

yea...except the net warrior isnt actually megaman whereas MMZ is zero after an insanely long sleep period so please shutup about that not being zero (or any related subject to that matter) ((this wasnt aimed directly at you dweller, i was being general cause i'm sick of it))

i honestly dont care which one it is, but both are VERY logical (but i lean towards MMZ)

and i know his buster isnt a laser, but that kind of way to yuse it makes sense. make it LIKE foxes, a fast, low damage, no knockback fast shot or SIMILAR to falcos with more lag, more damage and knockback and possibly a charge for it? obviously the shots would be pellets like they are in teh game though

 

[The Basement Dweller]

Read the Megaman thread NT warrior is the same Megaman there is a debate there and as for MMZ being zero or not I never said it wasn't Zero, but it is a spinoff series either way people want theX version your the only supporterof the MMZ version and why the MMZ version he doesn't even look like the original Zero how can you call that Zero I mean truly the first Zero should be the basis of the others and he is except for that MMZ version and if it was the same Zero why is it called Megaman Zero instead of just Zero.

 

[dj asakura]

well, i dont care much for megaman so i dont feel like debating megaman being a navi when he was a reploid (i believe) but w/e.

i'm not the only supporter of MMZ, i'm just the only one thats posts often enough here to be noticed. and i know that Zero came before zero, trust me, i know, i've played every x game, but the reason why MMZ seems logical is because of what system he appeared on as a playable, but i'd take him even as an alternate costume. and the reason why everyone refers to him as MMZ is because they used the megaman name to help sell the series, they dont call him megaman zero in the games, but people respect the x series zero as coming first so they call him zero and call the other zero MMZ, its simple.

(and please use more punctuation next time)

 

[The Basement Dweller]

Two things Megaman series came out on the Super Nintendo originally and it is a board not an English class and there are alot of otherpost that are worse.

 

[dj asakura]

yes, i know it came out on the SNES and did so through x3, but i was referring to when zero was actually playable, which was x4 and on. (and the x collections so not count) and as a plus, with MMZ, we'd get a hookshot-esque ledge grab as well for added awsomeness on teh recovery. Zero for top tier

and i know there are FAR worse posts (i'm not trying to start a fight or anything believe me, its a board about a game,lol) but its weird reading that all as one sentence ya know?

 

[The Basement Dweller]

Zero was playable in X3. He was really bad in it though.

 

[dj asakura]

ah, my bad. wasnt it only for a really short period though?

but anyway, i'd love to at least see MMZ as a costume, i mean, it is a fairly popular franchise, and everyone would be happy. and possibly with a few compromises on his moveset, but w/e, lol

 

[The Basement Dweller]

You could play him the first half of every level, but Zero should have his X moveset he originated there and that should take priority.I wouldn't mind the MMZ version asa costume though.

 

[dj asakura]

eh, fair enough. i just like the look better really, the movesets are for teh most part identical (excluding the shield boomerang, tonfa things and chain rod)

 

[Skyshroud]

@DJ Asakura: One goal of SSB is to make a fighting game of characters that (ideally) have no advantage over one another. They don't want to make characters better than others, because that discourages people from playing with who they like. This game is about having fun, and if you keep losing (or, incidentally, winning because there is no challange) it becomes less enjoyable. Yes, SSB is mostly about the pilot, but there is no reason to make a character overpowered just because he is "cool". In other people's minds he may not be cool, so IF, and that is a big if, Zero gets in, he should be on a level with everyone else. Enough said.

@Basement Dweller: Yeah, I didn't realize you were talking about something similiar to when he teleports in. That makes a whole lot more sense know.

Should we start working on a master move list? Basement Dweller, if you wouldn't mind updating the 1st post with all of the button combos for attacks (a, aa, bup, etc.) and then you can fill them in as we agree on attacks? So far, I'm pretty sure we can go ahead and put BNeutral on the Z Buster, put BUp on the rising fire uppercut thing, and DAir on the ice sword.

Okay, you guys seem to want the five slash on a, aa, aaa, aaaa, aaaaa so I guess we can do that. The Smash -> A we want as the horizontal slash. I'd still like to incorporate something from every Zero playable game, so I had an idea. The Smash over could be the slash, and then if you press a again (similiar to the Link's smash over) he follows up with a buster shot. Thoughts? I just really like the idea as it fits Zero's flavor so to speak quite well. Basement, for your SmashUp A, are you talking about something similiar to the Dragon Slash? ( I dunno, thats just the name I know that slash by in MMX:CM) Also, what else does Zero use to attack besides the Z Saber and the Z Buster? Anything? I want to incorporate a wide range of attacks, because it tends to make the sword characters less boring.

 

[Eternal phoenix Fire]

Found it,i based it off the MMZ series since that would most likely be the one they use.
I also used from MMX4.


Move set:

A-Horizontal Slash
A,A-Diagonal Slash
A,A,A-Full Diagonal Slash

F-Tilt-Spire slash
D-tilt-Chain rod trip
U-tilt-half moon slice.

F-Smash-Charge saber
U-Smash-Triple Rod Twirl
D-Smash-S.Boomerang spin.

Dash-A-Dash Slash

Nair-Kuuenbu
Fair-Double Slash
Bair-Tornado Kick
Uair-T.Rod Swipe
Dair-Hyouretsuzan

Grab:Z-Knuckle

Attack:Saber stab

Forward:Cuts with Shield Boomerang
Down:Spire stab
Up:Z-Buster shot
Back-Chain Rod throw back

B-moves:

B:Z-buster gun(Can be charged)
/\B:Ryuejin
>B:Chair rod slash(Hit consecutivly to execute a 6 hit combo)
\/B:Shield Boomerang can be thrown by hitting forward

Taunt:Turns back towards screen and thumbs up,classic Megaman X 4 style

Well that's it.

 

[Skyshroud]

Found it,i based it off the MMZ series since that would most likely be the one they use.
I also used from MMX4.


Move set:

A-Horizontal Slash
A,A-Diagonal Slash
A,A,A-Full Diagonal Slash

F-Tilt-Spire slash
D-tilt-Chain rod trip
U-tilt-half moon slice.

F-Smash-Charge saber
U-Smash-Triple Rod Twirl
D-Smash-S.Boomerang spin.

Dash-A-Dash Slash

Nair-Kuuenbu
Fair-Double Slash
Bair-Tornado Kick
Uair-T.Rod Swipe
Dair-Hyouretsuzan

Grab:Z-Knuckle

Attack:Saber stab

Forward:Cuts with Shield Boomerang
Down:Spire stab
Up:Z-Buster shot
Back-Chain Rod throw back

B-moves:

B:Z-buster gun(Can be charged)
/\B:Ryuejin
>B:Chair rod slash(Hit consecutivly to execute a 6 hit combo)
\/B:Shield Boomerang can be thrown by hitting forward

Taunt:Turns back towards screen and thumbs up,classic Megaman X 4 style

Well that's it.

Looks good to me, but I don't know all of the attacks because I never really played the MMZ Series =(.

 

[SMB PORTAL]

This seems like one of those things were some people want a secondary (whatever you fancy) to be in more than the main character. Megaman id pretty much the Main character of the series, and that's why the games are in his name. We must keep in mind that they will most likely put the main character first to establish the games into the game. Just look, who did we have before Peach? We had Mario, and who did we have before Gonondorf, we had Link. So, there is a distinct "main character" thing that likes to float around, and I don't think sonething not according to this will happen, but it still could.

-SMB

 

[DarkKnight077]

I have a question..should one of his ariels included the chain from MMZ2?..Where he he charges the chain and then spins around for like a multi-hit thing?..

 

[Falco-Z]

Zero would be second to Megaman from Capcom anyway.
Plus, as said already, most of his major appearances were in
Playstation games. This means that while he did appear on
Nintendo consoles, he didn't play a major role for Nintendo's
Megaman games nearly as much as Megaman himself.

 

[zombie7775]

How about this Zero.

http://s35.photobucket.com/albums/d...egaman Series/?action=view&current=ooohhh.jpg

 

[Stryks]

How about this Zero.

Both megaman and zero look too feminine, also I think the MMZ zero would be cool...

 

[zombie7775]

I know Dweller told me to post it so I did.

 

[Stryks]

Dont post more cause I look at all of them and well... there WAY too feminine...

 

[The Basement Dweller]

Possible Zero Moveset.

B-Buster
It should act like Samus' smash towards B, but take a little longer to shoot so it has to charge because in the X series he doesn't use a smaller shot just a shot similar to X's mid-charged shot. I think this should do more damage than Samus' smash missile to compensate for the charge time although it should have less lag after it as well.
Towards B-Sword thrust from X8
The one that allows him to break shield with it, but it is quite laggy and should act like that in Brawl breaking the shield with high knock back and damage to compensate for the slow execution time and the lag afterward which is far less than the time it takes before he executes it so on the game you could combo through the shield so you wouldn't have to use it repeatedly or the third sword slash rule.
Down B-Laser power he got in X8.
Similar to Pikachu's thunder
Up B-Fire uppercut
A-Slash
AA-2xSlash
AAA-3xSlash
Smash Down A-Wave Slash
Zero strikes the ground causing a wave to go completely around him.
Smash Up A-Jumping slash
4th hit from X8’s five hit combo
Smash Towards A-Horizontal slash
5th hit from X8’s five hit combo
Duck A- sweeping slash
Horizontal slash towards the front
Towards and Away A- weaker version of smash with less knock back and power
Up A-Overhead slash Similar to Marth’s up A
Arial Down A-Ice spike
Similar to Links Arial down A
Arial A- Horizontal Slash
Towards, Away and Up A-similar to Marth’s Towards, Away and Up Slashes respectively
Taunt-Turns back towards screen and thumbs up
Special-Heat haze similar to Link’s tri-force slash.

 

[zombie7775]

Your safe because there arnt anymore. I wouldnt have bothered with it but Dweller seemed to want it posted for some reason. Im not going to try and figure out what that guy thinks I might get scared.

 

[The Basement Dweller]

It was your idea. I said for you to post them because you wanted me to post them.

 

[zombie7775]

It was your idea. I said for you to post them because you wanted me to post them.

Um no I found them and showed you them I didnt really care because megaman doesnt look like a girl mormally. Or does he.

Also I like the moveset and this is should be used for him.

 

[The Basement Dweller]

Oh I think he does. Megaman Legends I rest my case.

 

[zombie7775]

Ok now this site is just for the X version I guess. That would be my pick also.

 

[The Basement Dweller]

The Xversion is so much better than the MMZ version anyway.