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Hylian

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At HOST TGM's samus was better than Majoras. And TGM Caveman's samus >>>Yours and mine so no you are not the best samus in texas. They did that based of mains and you don't even main samus you only use her in MM's not in tourny.

And I don't know how much better Majoras got but he talks like he is 3 times as good as he was at host.
 
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Yeah, he got Better. But I don't know how much better. I think He is trying trick everyone because he has actually been training real hard with Falcon.
 
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tourney results are not flawed

all tho everyone has "lucky" tournaments either from a good day of playing, the other person having a bad day or just lucky brackets

but what you have to look at is who places consistently higher in tourneys
 
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results are flawed. period. the only true way is round robin and MMs.

and forkgirl..............i hate shiek vs marth. and if i lose me mm with samus to the others i wont feel like losing to yours. so......wanna mario ditto?
 
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Majora(samus) vs TGM(samus)=5$
Hylian(samus) vs TGM(samus)=10$
BlueZaft(marth) vs TGM(marth)=1$
Dr.Drew(sheik) vs TGM(marth)=5$
Tsetse(sheik) vs TGM(marth)=10$

You had agreed to Samus. Either we do the Samus vs Shiek or nothing. Of course now that we decided are you going to back out. And if so, does this mean you are gonna back out against others?
 
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Just wondering.... But i didnt see anything about this on the front page. Are any of you guys taking videocameras to record matches ? Thanks in Advance.
 
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TGM usually brings along his VCR, but I'm guessing other people should bring some sort of recording device in case something happens...
 
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tourney results arent flawed I consistently rank top 5-6

me > you LOL

call up and ask cleo
 
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tsetse, relax! i just forgot to change it. we are still on.


and mr.c i had a pal that went to sex1 and sex2 and got razorium 1st round..........
HOST i got DoH 1st round.

in austin i got BJ(FLT pal) in loser brackets 1st round i think.

tourney results are flawed.ZING!


and yes obliv, you can bring anything you want to record. im bringing a VCR to record with.







BRING TVs GCN/Wii and SSBM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 
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see? it was unfair.

all im saying is that round robin and MMs are flaw free.


and wombat, your added to the list.
 
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if your skilled enough to beat them then you deserve to move on
if you lose then you lost to someone better then you

dont john about who you play in tourney

at sex 2 my matchs in order

where (noob, pc chris, smiles, sos, rob$)

hows that for a bracket? and I still got like 12th lol

EDIT: and the reason you are beeing seeded with all these high players is because the brackets are SEEDDDEDDDD
the first matchs are pros vs unpros usually
so later in the bracket the pros will meet up to make the tourney fair

once u start beating the pros in the early matchs your seeds will be easier aswell.
 
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and yet you could have done better if it wernt for that cheesy bracket.


im not saying i should be top 5 or maybe even top 10. but i should not get last or next to last or very low cause of some dumb shiz.


to fix all of that round robin is the shiz.

and dont get me wrong HOSt2 aint gonna be round robin.
 
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I know I could have done better, but thats not the point. And I you shouldnt be placing that low

but the reason your playing the best in early rounds is because you have never consistantly placed higher 1-10.

thats just the brackets being seeded.

once you start beating doh, bj etc in the early rounds and consistantly start moving up in the 5-10 area your seeds will be easier
 
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Haha, I agree with Tsetse.

Also, another thing, I had Smiles first round at JM2, and even though I did very good against him, I still didn't like losing first round.

I am curious as to how FLT seeds things...
 
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Lol TGM you can't complain about DoH the first round. I would have MUCH rather had Doh. I had to play Xelic the first round. In the second round you lost to Mr. 3000 IIRC. I got knocked out by Sethlon. You can say tourny results are flawed to a certain extent but if they wernt made this way with seeding then all the best players would be playing each other early on which would be stupid.
 
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Hylian said:
You can say tourny results are flawed to a certain extent but if they wernt made this way with seeding then all the best players would be playing each other early on which would be stupid.
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Why ? Because the top level players DON'T like getting last places in tourney ? I'll tell you what. Get Ken, PC, Azen, and 1,000 people who have never played.

1. Play Ken in first round, lose.
2. PC takes Azen.
3. You play Azen in losers, you lose.

And you're telling me that you should have gotten dead last ?

Tourney brackets should be random, even IF high-level players don't like it. Just because they're better doesn't mean they should take precedent for seeding in tourneys.

If they don't LIKE it, then it's just like Mr.C said. Better people should win in tourney. No johns.

edit : I realize some high-level players (such as PC) travel to tourneys, and they wouldn't like to get dead last in a tournament because of seeding. But it still comes to the same principle : if you're better, you will win. If you're not, you should lose.
 
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You don't know what you're talking about Moggie, so don't pretend like you do. Unseeded brackets cause false placement, denying top players the place they deserve and causing lower players places they don't. If you're the 4th best and you lose to the 1st best the first round, then the 3rd best the second round, you just got dead last, even though you could have beat every single player except for the top 3. If all 4 were concentrated in one half of the brackets, some that shouldn't be will be prematurely eliminated and a bad player will automatically get 3rd. You're telling me that's an accurate representation of skill?
 
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1st and 2nd place will always be the best players always. There is no way that 2nd and 1st will ever place wrong. Technically the 2nd place person will lose to the 1st place at one point and then 2nd place will figth his way through all of losers bracket and then face the 1st place palyer and either beat him or lose to him. So yes at every tourney the 2 best players will always get 1st and 2nd place if the brackets are run right. That means that they play each other in winners bracket once and then they dont face each other until winners final again. SO yeah after that 3rd and fourth can sometimes be a little off but typically the best players at a tourney will place 1 2 3. 4th is hard to predict but unless fourth get a REALLY EASY BRACKET THEN FOURTH IS USUALLY PLACED RIGHT.
 
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nvm, whatever.

I guess I agree, even though I still don't think it's right that top players are practically handed the top places in tourney.
 
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I know what Mog is trying to say, but you have to take the lesser of two evils. I'd rather have high places handed to pros rather than to random noobs. He is just bringing up that both systems of seeding/non-seeding are flawed to a certain extent.
 
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They are not practically handed the top places they had to deserve it. They weren't automatically good. They had to win tournys from low seeding just like you are now. Just because they did it and you cannot doesn't mean they don't deserve it. And Tsetse you idea had so many holes. Do you know how close in skill the top players are? Seriously KDJ has been beating Ken in tournaments recently and Ken is still considered better. So say for example Ken is the best in the tournament and PC chris is second best (this is completly hypothectical just for the record) So if the bracets were random And ken has to play KDJ the first round. For some reason KDJ does really well against ken and wins. Ken is now in the losers bracket the first round. PC beats KDJ a round and then KDJ plays ken again and wins. Ken doesn't even get top 10. It wouldn't make any sense not to seed the brackets. The players that are seeded high deserve it so don't complain.
 
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So you're saying that high-level players shouldn't have to earn their high places in tourney ? I don't think so.

And your post is saying the exact same thing that mine did. You're just thinking about the high-level players, and I'm thinking about the mid-level players (the majority of players.)

Both systems suck for somebody, round-robin is the answer, I say.

edit : Hylian, you're a cool guy, but you are not better than me. Sorry.
 
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Lol Mog of course round robin is the best way to play.

And under what logic do you think you are better then me? I never even said I was better then you. And at Host I played you at least 10 times and beat you every single time...Also I placed much higher then you in the tourny. I don't understand how you could say you are better then me? Would you like to make a high MM wager? $100? $50? And you are cool as well I just hate how everyone is saying they are better then other people and such. Lets just..set up money matchs and wait till Host2. I hate arguing over stupid things.
 
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there WONT be pools at host2?? Pools is the fairest way!!! Every pool had at least 1 person from the top ten list in it!! 4 people got out of each pool...
 
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There are going to be pools forkgirl. Round Robin is when the entire tournament is like pools. You play EVERY person there. Sadly that takes too long >_>. I hope I get a better pool this time lol. My last pool was REALLY hard. Smiles,sethlon,TGM,Me,Random noob,random noob2and Kyo. I tied with kyo and had to play a really tense match just to get out of pools. I hate playing falcos -_-.
 
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There will be pools for singles. Teams will be double elimination.
 
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Just like last time.
 
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..I remember playing almost only samus against you.. And how about that MM? If you are so sure you are better then me :).
 
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They are not practically handed the top places they had to deserve it. They weren't automatically good. They had to win tournys from low seeding just like you are now. Just because they did it and you cannot doesn't mean they don't deserve it. And Tsetse you idea had so many holes. Do you know how close in skill the top players are? Seriously KDJ has been beating Ken in tournaments recently and Ken is still considered better. So say for example Ken is the best in the tournament and PC chris is second best (this is completly hypothectical just for the record) So if the bracets were random And ken has to play KDJ the first round. For some reason KDJ does really well against ken and wins. Ken is now in the losers bracket the first round. PC beats KDJ a round and then KDJ plays ken again and wins. Ken doesn't even get top 10. It wouldn't make any sense not to seed the brackets. The players that are seeded high deserve it so don't complain.
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This just shows how little you know about brackets. 2 opponents that faced each in winners bracket are placed on opposite sides of the brackets in losers bracket. Ken would not face KDJ til late in the Losers bracket. This applys to the whole bracket so if you are on one side of the bracket you will not face someone on your side of the bracket til later in the losers bracket.
 
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