like getting in on marth is hard for me like ..once i get a solid hit .. combos etc im good and i know how to edge guard marth but its the campy wait style ..counter attack marth i hate -__- grabbing and never letting go lol
Yeah I feel you. Marth is fun to combo but can be kinda tricky to catch.
I'd say the most common ways to get ****ed vs Marth are to shoot a badly spaced laser or an obvious one, because marths like catching that with dash attack, and also to over extend with an aerial and get grabbed.
I'm gonna somehow try to explain this as simple as possible: Marth is approximately 8 million times easier to 0wn when he's in the act of trying to punish you rather than when he is waiting for you to commit so he can attack you. Aka, learn to bait and punish his dumb counter-attacking habits like Dash attacking you, coming down at you with fair from platforms, and dash dance grabbing you. This is a really simple concept, but it's easy to lose track of the fact that marth is limited on what he can try to do to counter attack because of how effective these things are if you **** up.
This is when you have stage control though. When you don't, uhhh, I don't even want to get into it actually. And I think this is enough for now lol
As far as MT is concerned:
his marth is odd compared to many others I've played. I MMed him 3 times at apex, won a close one, lost a close one and 3-0'd him in the last one. He is actually reallllllly good at power shielding (and is a solid marth player with good punishes), and focuses getting a lot of his openings from power shield tricks (he also has other cool tricks I don't see other marths do much). Usually you don't have to worry about powershielding because most marths can't do it super super consistently but obviously he could. So 3-0ing him merely came from acknowledging it as a legitimate option in situations where Marths usually would do something else and playing around it. I have yet to see a Marth that consistently powershields and only does it at the most opportune times instead of relying heavily on it, but when I do, I might **** myself LOL
Edit: Basically what I'm trying to say is MT looks like Darkatma and diakonos has a funny accent
