Help my falco v.s ......

[King~]

Zelda, Olimar, and PT

These three matchups are proving very difficult for me

I play mutiple type of zeldas but ill give you a general idea. One that knows how to yous dins fire correctly and mangaes to stop my approach with well spaced and timed smashes. I can barely laser with out it getting reflected. D smash comes out so fast.

with olimar im talkin about the campy type the one that will spam dsmash and upsmash when you get to close. the one that abuses his grab range and pikmin throw. his short height does not help anything. its hard getting him off the edge but once i do i can get the easy edgeguard/hog. its just a fustrating matchup for me.

I just need some general strategy v.s PT due to my lack of matchup exprience Ive lost like three sets this past week to some. Ivysaur seems to be the bane of my exsistence in this matchup. squritle is easy and charizard depending on the player could be a problem.

any help would be apprecitated

 

[Shy Guy 86]

For Olimar try jumping to get to him, If he does Side-B shine it or Bair it, Pikmin have terrible priority

Ivysaur is pretty easy, CG to Spike/Fair to Edgehog(?) ***** it badly

 

[ri0t]

i believe that PT is really easy only prob for me is a squrtile that shell shifts but otherwise i am fine.
a nice way to beat PT would be to play like the double laser and a nice little two moves is dair-sidestep(when land)-down smash.....works good
also if you get the charzard out chain grab like a mofo lol

for zelda you should either approach with either a dair because it has a pretty nice priority and if you hit they are going down or knock back or i know this is going to be out of the ordinary but aproach with the reflecter because it has long range and its knock back and stun is good for you to do the sliding up smash

i have yet to face a competive olimar sorry cant help you there

 

[J4pu]

Jab combo ***** through all pikmen, it's really quite funny. only thing you have to watch out for at this point is grabs and him jumping over and attacking. It's not really a good idea to spam it, since they will figure out a good counter quickly but when you're in a pinch you can throw it out there to give yourself a second to plan.

 

[WatzUp]

i know from personal experience that zelda will spam her side b as much as she can then try to kill u in the air with her side a so just avoid that and spam the lasers as usual

 

[King~]

For Olimar try jumping to get to him, If he does Side-B shine it or Bair it, Pikmin have terrible priority

Ivysaur is pretty easy, CG to Spike/Fair to Edgehog(?) ***** it badly

Its more along the lines of approaching ivy usually they throw an razor leaf whic is just a distraction and either follow up with a dash attack or a SH Nair(that dosent hit all the time) but its hard to spotdodge his moves cause the hitboxes last long. and im playin one that are good at prediction cause i keep getting caught with his f-tilt out of a roll which is really good for punishing the roll.

i believe that PT is really easy only prob for me is a squrtile that shell shifts but otherwise i am fine.
a nice way to beat PT would be to play like the double laser and a nice little two moves is dair-sidestep(when land)-down smash.....works good
also if you get the charzard out chain grab like a mofo lol

for zelda you should either approach with either a dair because it has a pretty nice priority and if you hit they are going down or knock back or i know this is going to be out of the ordinary but aproach with the reflecter because it has long range and its knock back and stun is good for you to do the sliding up smash

i have yet to face a competive olimar sorry cant help you there

yeah my dair approaches usally get caught with and upsmash or her reflector thing. so i ended up throwing out random lazers to get some damage. and fear of being f-smashed keeps me from dash attcking but when i do manage to get it off i usually try to cancel it into an upsmash and follow with a Bair. but her smash is whats really stopping me now adays.

Jab combo ***** through all pikmen, it's really quite funny. only thing you have to watch out for at this point is grabs and him jumping over and attacking. It's not really a good idea to spam it, since they will figure out a good counter quickly but when you're in a pinch you can throw it out there to give yourself a second to plan.

ill give it a try next time im upaginst one

i know from personal experience that zelda will spam her side b as much as she can then try to kill u in the air with her side a so just avoid that and spam the lasers as usual

yeah i usually manage to avoid dins cause its obvious, and her air approaches are really broadcasted allowing for the easy upsmash or downsmash

thanks guy more feed back would be appreciated, i would post some vids if my matches were shorter lol

 

[Squipy]

I don't have too much experience with Zelda, mostly sheik. But with Zelda, keep in mind that your bair negates Dins Fire, which helps when you're high in the air and approaching because that's when they spam it. Try to bluff approach and anticipate when they use their smash or reflector if they spam it, and try to punish right after it ends. If I remember right there's lag after the reflector so use that to reflector-happy Zeldas.

With Olimar, I usually always nair when approaching. This will negate all pikmin tossed at you. Try not to be directly above Olimar for long periods of time because his uair, utilt, usmash, has tons of priority and will usually beat your dair. Try and make Olimar come to you and not you to him. You can usually avoid his grab and smashes when he approaches you which puts you in a better situation - so constantly pressure him with lasers.

Again try to make him come to you with SHDL pressure so you won't eat his razor leaf. I think nairs beat razor leaf. Landing off a grab on Ivysaur is great and assures plenty of damage. Like Olimar, Ivysaur's weakness is his recovery, so knock him off the map and edgehog. Bair seems to be really effective against Ivysaur for me.

Good luck.

 

[Pompi]

also remember your reflector might not actually reflect dins fire but it atleast negates the explosion hitting you , it might help if she is near the edge and you are grabbing the edge if she tries to din you you might as well use the reflector when coming up it may actually catch her in the blast and it will be a big WTF

 

[TechnoMonster]

Zelda is a hard matchup for Falco for sure, as far as Falco's matchups go. If you see her side B you can just use your side B to counter that pretty effectively and move. If you're having trouble with F-smash just roll behind her when you call one and grab, and then go from there.

There's no reason Falco should ever get touched by an Ivysaur.

 

[King~]

I don't have too much experience with Zelda, mostly sheik. But with Zelda, keep in mind that your bair negates Dins Fire, which helps when you're high in the air and approaching because that's when they spam it. Try to bluff approach and anticipate when they use their smash or reflector if they spam it, and try to punish right after it ends. If I remember right there's lag after the reflector so use that to reflector-happy Zeldas.

With Olimar, I usually always nair when approaching. This will negate all pikmin tossed at you. Try not to be directly above Olimar for long periods of time because his uair, utilt, usmash, has tons of priority and will usually beat your dair. Try and make Olimar come to you and not you to him. You can usually avoid his grab and smashes when he approaches you which puts you in a better situation - so constantly pressure him with lasers.

Again try to make him come to you with SHDL pressure so you won't eat his razor leaf. I think nairs beat razor leaf. Landing off a grab on Ivysaur is great and assures plenty of damage. Like Olimar, Ivysaur's weakness is his recovery, so knock him off the map and edgehog. Bair seems to be really effective against Ivysaur for me.

Good luck.

ill kepp that in mind about oli, usually when i face them i get to cautious about going in the air because of that upsmash and up tilt ill try to remeber that.

yeah grabs do work but getting close enough is the problem

also remember your reflector might not actually reflect dins fire but it atleast negates the explosion hitting you , it might help if she is near the edge and you are grabbing the edge if she tries to din you you might as well use the reflector when coming up it may actually catch her in the blast and it will be a big WTF

Ill have to try it more, i probly just di'ed it wrong before. i dont come across to many that just spam that though

Zelda is a hard matchup for Falco for sure, as far as Falco's matchups go. If you see her side B you can just use your side B to counter that pretty effectively and move. If you're having trouble with F-smash just roll behind her when you call one and grab, and then go from there.

There's no reason Falco should ever get touched by an Ivysaur.

f-smash not so much except for them times where i do the "oohh shiny" thing and run into one knowing its out. it hard rolling behind because d-smash and b punish the roll well. and up smash has really good priority.

i just dont have any matchup exp aginst a good one so the ones that have their spacing down ***** me