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fsdfsdgsgdf

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Yea so i have been into melee for a while but never really played competitively, i have been to much into street fighter and tekken and some others. Well im trying to get really good at melee now so here is my first ever recorded vid. Tell me what i need to work on and what not and please dont be rude or flame :D

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bzxc1PkeIqc

im the sheik, and yes my name says (NIGR) lol, im black i thought it would be funny
 

soap

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im not real good at noticing stuff, but the only thing that stood out was your lack of techchasing out of dthrow. dthrow, follow the tech regrab. dthrow jab reset regrab works on scrubby falcons too.
 

fsdfsdgsgdf

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Ha so he is a scrubby falcon? i dont pay attention to falcon that much to really care but i guess that makes me more of a noob for almost getting beat by him. Thanks for the advice
 

HT F8

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It looks to me like you just have general poor execution/bad timing. Just practice a bunch more and that'll get cleared up. :D
For example: across the stage, and you just randomly throw out a fsmash or fully charge usmash? No reason for that, that will get you kneed real quick.

Another thing, ledgehop fair is good, but you have to mix it up. Especially since you missed a few of them. I ledgehop nair and dair when applicable.

And yes, your friend is a scrubby Falcon. All he does is DD -> Dair. Sheildgrab the **** out of him. If he's gonna land behind you, maybe spot dodge -> Dsmash.

Needlespam is always good, but its your playing style, so whatevahhh. :p

Aside from that, you were decent. Practice and you'll se a drastic change in a few months.

Edit: Oh, and TECH MORE. My teching sucks, so I should shut up. :p But yeah. It'll help you out a lot.
 

fsdfsdgsgdf

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Thanks guys. yea i notice now he is pretty predictable so i should do better but the guy i was playing mains fox so i play that matchup more. I dont no if you saw but i started ducking some of the knees in the vid cuz i started noticing when he would do it lol. But yea thanks.

Also any ideas on who to have for a second main?
 

HT F8

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Thanks guys. yea i notice now he is pretty predictable so i should do better but the guy i was playing mains fox so i play that matchup more. I dont no if you saw but i started ducking some of the knees in the vid cuz i started noticing when he would do it lol. But yea thanks.

Also any ideas on who to have for a second main?
Good reading, keep it up.

To be honest, I'd say just play a few matches against Lvl. 1 computers, find who you're best/most comfortable with, and go with them.

Also, try to pick someone who covers Sheik's counter picks... wait...
Does Sheik have counter picks?

brbphannascharactermatchupchart
 

Kyu Puff

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The Falcon really isn't that scrubby. Sheik happens to be one of Falcon's worst match-ups. He was spamming d-air because it's one of the better combo starters vs Sheik. Falcon definitely needs to use his grab game more in this match-up, though.

As for secondaries, you really don't need to switch from Sheik in any match-up lol. Sheik's worst match-ups are probably Fox and ICs.

Marth vs ICs = Marth's favor
Marth vs Fox = Even

Falco vs ICs = Even
Falco vs Fox = Falco's favor

You don't need to worry about ICs because they're rarely used, but Marth is a solid main anyways. Falco is the only character close to countering Fox. But really, you don't need a counterpick character unless you want one. If you are interested in learning a second character, choose one of the above, or any other high tier character, or look into a main for low tier.
 

elvenarrow3000

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Contrary to popular belief, dsmash isn't that great of an edgeguard. If possible, chase them off the stage with a bair, nair or fair, or needle. Dsmash leaves a lot of room for them to sweetspot.

Also, don't double jump immediately after getting knocked off. It's predictable and extremely easy to punish.

Don't randomly roll for no reason, especially against Falcon. There's also no reason for you to be up there on a platform either.

Ledgestall a bit before you ledgehop, otherwise you'll get fsmashed. Try ledgehopping stuff that'll hit people at ground level, like fairs or nairs.

Learn to ledgedash. It's really nice and will help you get into an edgeguarding position faster when you see them going for the main stage. Also, try to make sure your move have a good chance of hitting. You're whiffing a lot of things that would not realistically hit anyone, and getting punished.

Pressure people on the ledge with needles.

If you're near the edge and someone lags something, grab and bthrow, don't dsmash. That's just silly.

1:30 probably should've been a usmash.

...dear God, DI after you're launched, don't just fall straight at them.

Don't go straight into a dsmash at lower percentages. Use your tilts. If you can't hit with the ftilt, use the utilt. A lot of people overlook that one.

I would honestly avoid fsmashing.

Can you shorthop? If not, you should learn.
 

soap

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utilt against falcon like no other it intercepts crossover stomps or whatever else they try to cross u over with and leads right into a grab.
 

Niko45

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Everything needs to be worked on but most glaringly is the lack of utilts, ftilts, tech chases, and edge guards.

Specific stuff to watch out for:

0:06 - try not to charge needles when cfalcon is flying at you...only after kills or when playing a character that can't be in your face in 2 seconds. He could have gimped you or had you in big trouble with a run off uair after the knee but he went with a dair fortunately.

0:20 - again with the needles and weird rolling on top of platforms (don't do that) gets you in trouble again

0:24 - u challenge his nair with a slap coming off the ledge, miss and get grabbed. Be more patient and efficient on the edge don't miss those slaps especially against a falcon who can't really pressure you there very well. You also jump into the knee and die be patient in recovering fast fall that and come up you might even get a gimp.

0:50 - Tilt this instead of dash attacking and not only will you connect but be in better position to follow up.

1:28 - this is def a low point. When you have falcon at 150 near the ledge throw him off the ledge and kill, don't dthrow and hit him towards the middle of the stage. Then he ends up killing you first on that life.

3:25 - this is exactly what you need to do to falcon: grab near the edge throw him off and go get it. You miss the slap which is unfortunate but with more practice those will connect and kill. Even though ftilt works here, it isn't the best option. Run off slap would have worked, dash attack, even dsmash as wrecklessly as he's recovering. In any case if you'd been throwing him off the edge all match this wouldn't have been as close.

3:43 - understand that you have him stunned in the air but not long enough for you to hit him. SH bair is not good here it puts you out of position when there was no way he was still going to be stunned to get hit by that. Realize that the pressure is on him in that situation and sit back and react to what he does.

Other stuff: The last 20 seconds you are just taking stabs at him with the dash attack pretty wrecklessly and it appears you were just fortunate to land a slap (both players throwing out moves hoping to land the kill). Also, do you wavedash at all? I might have seen it to get on the edge but not during fake out time.

You need to get more comfortable on and out over the edge where sheik is an absolute predator.

There are lots of points in the match where you charge needles for no reason at all. You get punished for it most of the time so STOP doing that...charged needles aren't THAT good that you need to sneak in a second of charging while falcon is right in front of you.

Like said before don't dsmash for edge guard...at least against falcon just walk off slap for the kill or get on the ledge and bair falcon dies so fast its not even right. There are also a bunch of critical missed techs that get you killed as well so work on everything basically and relax on the needles.
 

elvenarrow3000

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As far as edgeguarding goes, you should really start from edgehogging. If they go for the edge, just edgehog them. If they recover slightly over you, you can ledgehop a bair or nair, or you can drop, double jump then walljump into a slap. If they recover below you, you can drop with a bair or drop past them and double jump into a slap for the stage spike. If they recover way over you, ledgedash into a grab, dsmash or usmash.
 
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