Gokuzaru

[kaid]

Gokuzaru (Goukazaru in Japan)

Traditionally, the fanbase of each Fire type starter has rolled over to the New Fire Starter each new generation. You can see on the Pokemon poll how popular Blaziken is, but when Diamond/Pearl reaches US shores, the fanbase will immeditely split.

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Which will you chose?


Like Blaziken, Gokuzaru is a Fire/Fighting type. He is slightly less powerful, slightly less durable, and MUCH faster. He can learn most of Blaziken's signature moves, like Blaze Kick or Overheat, as well as a few of his own, and let's face it, a tribal monkey vs a kung fu chicken? Which would have more original A and Air moves?

Which looks the most Brawl-Worthy?


Just because one starter gets in, does not mean they ALL will. As you can see above, Gokuzaru is far more agile than his lumbering counterparts. The Fire Type always has been the most popular starter, ever since Red and Blue. So leave the Penguin and Turtle in Pokeballs, but let Gokuzaru out and play.

 

[Stryks]

either Blaziken or a mini andross with a body and with his head on fire?... tough call...

 

[xenero]

Goukazaru (correct spelling) is better IMO, besides, he's a more valuable asset in the game.

 

[SSJ4Kazuki]

I don't know who this guy is, but I want him. Now.

 

[Black/Light]

I have to correct you on a few things. . .

It's too early to say that "traditionally" the popularity of the fire starter rows over to the this gen's fire starter seeing as that only happened once with Char-to-Blaze (the 2nd gen fire starter had no love at all and that gens water starter took the lil popularity there was). There for it's too early to say that Blaziken's popularity will split.

And they both seem unique but my main problem with the new fire starter is that he doesn't have his own sig move. He is some what a Blaziken rip seeing as he doesn't have any new fire attacks that I know of, has the same split typing and he has Blaze kick AND Flame wheel ( 2nd gen fire starter's sig move. . . And over-heat aint a sig move).

I wouldn't be against him getting in over her but Im not pulling for him either.
And they would both have unique a/ air moves. Blaziken would have Capoeira mixed with a lil bit of Thai boxing type style for fighting well the monkey would be pure Thai boxing. Like in this fight http://youtube.com/watch?v=X0i9oZ7_-Kw&mode=related&search= (Blaze= Black guy/ Monkey=Thai guy. . . yeah Tony Jaa wins but it's his movie) .Nither Blaze nor monkey differer from the the animal their based from. . . Blaze = fast legs plus good air moves/ monkey = fast fest plus good ground moves.

And why did you use the female Blaziken sprite? I know I call Blaziken a her all the time but the male sprite looks better and is Blaziken's true sprite. . . .

Edit- And why pin them up against each other? You should let these split in Blaziken's popularity take place by supporting the monkey. . . not by VS ing them.
And OMG. . . I got 666 post (0_o).

 

[kaid]

On the contrary, Gokuzaru gets a 120 power, physical fire move and 120 power physical FIGHTING move, each of which didn't exist back in Ruby/Saphire. (They're so new, the attack names haven't been translated yet)

And the Blaze sprite is the DP one, which is identicle between the genders. Only a few pokemon have visible differences.

EDIT: after watching that video, I don't see Blaziken as flexible enough to actually pull off those flashy handstand-kicks that were used.

 

[Iggy K]

I take the kickass water and steel type penguin over the fire monkey any day.

 

[kaid]

^You have no respect for "Fierce Diety Diddy Kong" here. For shame!

 

[xianfeng]

Gokuzaru because his body structure is different to everone's in SSBM, Blaizken's body shape is the same as Captain Falcons. The new generation pokemon have abilities and what not. Gokuzaru looks cooler.

This generation I could see how Gokuzaru could get in and the others couldn't with out it being unfair. The water type has no arms and the grass type is a Quadroped, With Blaziken's generation they were all brawl worthy so it would have been unfair to include one over the others.

 

[Black/Light]

On the contrary, Gokuzaru gets a 120 power, physical fire move and 120 power physical FIGHTING move, each of which didn't exist back in Ruby/Saphire. (They're so new, the attack names haven't been translated yet)

And the Blaze sprite is the DP one, which is identicle between the genders. Only a few pokemon have visible differences.

EDIT: after watching that video, I don't see Blaziken as flexible enough to actually pull off those flashy handstand-kicks that were used.

Hummm. . . Hopefuly I just looked past that ( I HOPE so cause that would give me a reason to get him (^_^) )

And thats Blaziken's FEMALE sprite, the male sprite had longer red head spikes and longer "hair". http://www.serebiiforums.com/showthread.php?t=155983

And if you saw Blaziken's first ever fight with Char you would see that she is that flexible. Blaze kick took her whole upper body low to the ground with out knocking her down which you would have to be flexible to do. I can see her doing those "flashy kicks" with no problem. (Can't find that pic but heres a back hill blaze kick split pose)

^^And Blaziken is a skiney bird, not a buff white man. . .And the monkey has Blaziken's ablitity, not a new one.

 

[Mic_128]

He looks like a lame wrestler/power ranger.

 

[Zombie Cola]

Errr, I don't know these characters but I did a little research and saw that these are basically hitmonchan and hitmonlee combined....except now they have fire abilities. Honestly, I'd rather chan or lee get in, and one of these be in a pokeball, just my opinion.

Edit: To comment on what Mic said, I have noticed this to be prevalent throughout the entire pokemon series. They keep getting more and more humanistic as the series "progresses" and frankly, IMO, it's getting out of hand. They seem more like (as Mic said) power rangers in a ball than the pokemon I enjoyed back in the day.

 

[kaid]

^^And Blaziken is a skiney bird, not a buff white man. . .And the monkey has Blaziken's ablitity, not a new one.

That's part of the problem. Given how thin and wiry Blaziken's arms are, if it tried fighting like that video, it would break it's own arms getting the spin on some of those kicks.

 

[zuloon]

Blaziken is better. Gokuzaru is a cheap rip-off of the chinese magic monkey.

 

[kaid]

^Actually, it's more the myth of the Monkey King, Goku. (The source of both the DBZ and Sayuki Gokus)

 

[zuloon]

Ummm...

No.

They're the same thing.

 

[Black/Light]

That's part of the problem. Given how thin and wiry Blaziken's arms are, if it tried fighting like that video, it would break it's own arms getting the spin on some of those kicks.

. . .Wow, thats like saying a skiney person can't break dance. Blaze is like 115lbs. . .like Lucario but 4lbs lighter.

 

[kaid]

Have you considered how the shaggy carpets Blaz uses for pants might affect it's performance?

 

[Black/Light]

*Looks at May VS Ash fight where Blaze does LOTS of back flips*
Doesn't seem to be a problem for her. . . she can still do lots of back flips and kick 10+ times a second along with jump 30+ feet. It doesn't get in the way of the animal she is modeled from either.

Oh and it looks like they gave that new fire move 394 to Blaze too. http://64.72.117.249/pokedex-dp/257.shtml And that fighting move 370 can be learned by Lucario so it's not a sig . . .

But the new fighting move doesn't seem to have crossed over to her (might be a TM but Im not sure)

 

[zuloon]

So now you're strongly anti-Blaziken? I suppose?

 

[kaid]

I've always been so-so on Blazeiken. Besides, it's fun to argue against her, whether she deserves it or not.

In this case, it's a simple case of out with the old, in with the new. Unlike Blaze, Goku has the advantage that none of it's fellow starters are qualified for Brawl, which evades the charges of being unfair to Sceptile and Swampert, that Blaziken still gets. His body form is like nothing in Melee, and the closest in Brawl would be Diddy Kong. Blaziken shares a body type with Captian Falcon and Gannondorf, which detracks from his popular image for Brawl.

 

[Black/Light]

Please, tell me how a 6'0 skiney body build with long legs = 6'3 buff body builder build. . . And just look at that vid, Blaziken would be their main poster child for a style like that.

And out with the old in with the new? LOL, than I guess I won the Deoxy arguement you stopped replying to cause thats what I said about Deoxy replacing M2.

And unfair to the other 2? They should have had more fan-base. . . can't say it's unfair when Blaziken won the fan-base in a fair way.

And IDK what your talking about on the monkey's body form. We have no idle how it walks or runs (could just be a primal human walk. . .we don't know, from blaziken's early sprites you would think it didn't kick much). . . and if it does the monkey run than show me how it would be soo different from DK's run.

 

[kaid]

True. Of course, I held that position purely for the sake of the argument, so that point is moot.

as for the long legs and skinny arms, it's a matter of leverage. If most of Blaziken's mass is in her legs, as it appears from her sprite, then fighting like that video becomes less controlled, and easier to counter, since Blaze wouldn't be able to change the momentum of her massive legs while balancing on her skinny arms.

 

[Black/Light]

But why can she kick 10+ times a SECOND but than end up with lil control in that pose? And she is only 115lb's. . . we know that her legs are too covered in pants feathers to see how they really look so their not as big as they look.

Their not "massive", their just covered in feathers.

 

[kaid]

Because when kicking, her other leg is still on the ground. But in that clip, the fighting style you prefer has both feet off the ground at the same time.

 

[Black/Light]

Which shouldn't be hard to do (I might pull up a break dancing vid of a skinny person doing a hand stand and kicking in the air).

Those arms can hold her up. . . remember, they pack a punch (Fire punch, sky upper ect), their not use-less

 

[kaid]

There's a difference between a handstand (or a punch) and and a straight-arm lift, which is what basically is happening when you are twisting against the ground to change your legs direction midair.

 

[Black/Light]

Well riddle me this, if you can do a sky-upper and completely break a steel cage-trunk/ huge rock/ water containment struture or w/e else Combusken (not even Blaziken) has done than wouldn't it stand to reason that your arms could hold you up and balance you once your in a hand stand pose doing fast kicks?. . . .dude is raw but I don't think homs from the vid can do those things.

 

[kaid]

You are confusing Linear motion (Stabing, punching, ect) with Swinging motion. Blaziken can punch and stab with it's arms just fine, but if it tried to pick up a chair one handed at arms length, without using it's elbow, it would find it much harder.

This sideways motion is what Blaziken is limited in, that the ordinary humans in the vid can do easily.

 

[xianfeng]

Blaizken can't even beat a grass pokemon.

 

[dotdotdot!]

I have a predisposition to like the Poccama evolution better, just cause I love Penguins.

He could work as a Bowser or DK-like Tank character, but with water-based powers (a power which is not represented in Melee).

But, Goukazaru would work as well.

 

[100links]

He looks like a lame wrestler/power ranger.

what he said

 

[Pyr0]

Penguinator > Chimp in flames

 

[PhantomEdge]

im picking the penguin when diamond pearl comes out, just cause his type is really good defensive-wise(water/steel) and he looks awesome. but i think goukuzaru would translate best into brawl.
P.S. the penguin oddly reminds me of the druid sprite from fire emblem, huh guys?

 

[kaid]

Ah, you Water types are forgetting something. Fighting is super - effective against Steel. That penguin is screwed.

 

[Black/Light]

You are confusing Linear motion (Stabing, punching, ect) with Swinging motion. Blaziken can punch and stab with it's arms just fine, but if it tried to pick up a chair one handed at arms length, without using it's elbow, it would find it much harder.

This sideways motion is what Blaziken is limited in, that the ordinary humans in the vid can do easily.

Sky-upper is really more like an upward motion like what the dread locks guy was doing. . .as in an completly upward pushing punch (not side ways at all). And if you look at movie Blaze you would see that, which one hand and and no problem, she can hold up a boy that looks like he has 5-10lbs on her (not bending her arms I might add).
So yeah, her upper body power has been showed and is enuff for that style.

 

[kaid]

Well then, I am forced back to pure opinion. I do not feel Blaziken would get in Brawl with those moves.

Congratulations.

 

[icymatt]

Monkeys are better than chickens.

Even so, it's not like either of them have a particularly great chance of getting in.

 

[Black/Light]

Well then, I am forced back to pure opinion. I do not feel Blaziken would get in Brawl with those moves.

Congratulations.

Ok. . . .
Well, I said that style mixed with a lil thia boxing but still. Im very much sure I haven't even seen the real good moves of that style but it reps what Blaze would have (Long powerful legs with fast, long rang kicks that look amazing and complex. Yay for Brazilan slaves for making that style (^_^) ).

So yeah, it comes down to opinion in the end (like most fighting styles we all think of) but theres really no reason why she wouldn't fight like that. . . One of her sprites is even in the same pose the dude was in.

But for that congratulations I will. . . do my H/W (-_-). . .
Edit- Just got my hands on some good Capoeira vids http://youtube.com/watch?v=d3NLq372MYA . the comments help to understand it more and that guy who made this has more (just to anyone that wants to know what Capoeira is and why I think Blaze would fight like that)

 

[Diddy Kong]

I'm choosing this guy to when D/P comes out!
And monkey = instand good character.

Yet I dont think this guy would make it. I mean come on. He would look too similair to Diddy Kong... Not that I have something with that. But he would look more then a DK character then a Pokemon in Brawl.