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[#HBC | Laundry]

Oh okay .

 

[Raziek]

There's Ryker's claim.

As for the J vote, I think he's scum and I really don't give a damn. Right now, that July vote's far more intriguing. Despite the fact that it seems like an error, I have my doubts that it is. It couldn't be a copy-pasta'd vote, July was voting marshy by the end of the phase. The fact that that's there suddenly made the July/J dichotomy so much more interesting.

Thanks. I went back and found it as well, I guess I skimmed over the claim the first time.

 

[#HBC | Laundry]

(which is unlikely, since there's probably a scum between you and J, but still).

When did it change to there's a scum between J and I? What happened to J and July?

 

[#HBC | Dancer]

Finally caught him on a mod error!

Raz now that you've wagoned a popular slot to wagon without a real reason accidentally mislynched obvious scum Marshy, what is your scum team looking like?

WL you?

@WL's question: Nothing. I still like a July and J scum team. I'm just saying that I can also see a WL/July scum team. Sorry if that wasn't clear.

Here, let me give you the scum team I'm thinking of right now:

Raz, July, and one of WL/J.

 

[#HBC | Dancer]

Ryker you think WL is town right? Tell me why he can't be scum with July or Raz.

 

[#HBC | Laundry]

That makes sense.

I thought my scumteam was pretty obvious. It's J, KevMo, and then probably Raz. If any of those flip town, I wouldn't be surprised to see you flip scum. Still don't buy July and J on the same scumteam.

 

[#HBC | Dancer]

A July/J bus would make sense though. Day 1 J went at July pretty hard without really looking into other players all that much. If July were scum, then I think it's pretty convenient that J was able to catch on to her so fast. Day 2 they didn't really interact as much, but that's probably simply due to their inactivity.

Another piece of evidence suggesting a bus is how July yielded to Ryker. Despite the fact that July seemed pretty dead certain that J was scum, she simply let up when the smallest of pressure was applied by Ryker to do so. Don't like.

(This next part is more so simply why July is scummy then why I think she's linked to J):

When Marshy asked July why she yeilded, she replied (paraphrased): "Because I've learned from SFII mafia that sometimes you just have to shut up and follow Ryker when he's found something." REALLY did not like that. That's basically July saying that she's not even going to try to evaluate the situation, but rather she's simply going to follow a "power player" blindly. That is NOT the town July I know, and in general that's simply not town behavior.

Now WL you may say that I'm reaching. That I shouldn't think that I've got the whole scum team figured out. Maybe. Hell it probably would do me a lot of good to actually try to reread the game.

Still though, you've made similar comments ("I'm in your heads scum!"). Well, look how well that turned out. Now it's time to give Sworddancer's scumreads a shot if I do say so myself.

 

[#HBC | Laundry]

Alright, that's fair, but you're forgetting that J and marshy were trying to quicklynch her D2. It failed, yes, but that doesn't change the fact that it almost happened. Does that factor into your read anyway?

And I wouldn't say anything so much as to say that you shouldn't have the scumteam figured out. By this point in the game, you really should. J's obvscum. KevMo's obvscum (seriously, who else would call the MacMan shot besides the flipped-town marshy). One of you or Raz is the last scum. July has an outside shot but I simply do not buy the bus from KevMo at this point.

 

[#HBC | Dancer]

Except J didn't really try to quick lynch July? Marshy did, but not J. IIRC J simply defended Marshy for doing so.

 

[#HBC | Dancer]

YO J.

I see you viewing.

Get in here, you, you, person.

 

[#HBC | J]

I will in a bit, have some friends over atm. ;P

 

[#HBC | Laundry]

Why are you making a big deal out of 4-5 votes on July? I mean you don't even explain really why you are commenting on the vote count but just doing it...to do it haha.

This isn't justifying marshy's actions. Keep in mind, he also was one of those 4 votes and, despite consciously realizing that there were 4 votes, left his vote right there. That's trying for a quicklynch no matter how hard you try to spin it.

 

[#HBC | Dancer]

vote july

Marshy put July at L_1 here.

Unvote

No ql plz

Ran unvoted here, seven posts later.

Unless you knew that J was on at the time (J did not post inbetween Marshy's vote and Ran's unvote) then I don't think you've really have much of a case here.

 

[#HBC | Laundry]

I did not notice that, no, but it doesn't change the point that J was perfectly okay with July's quicklynch.

 

[#HBC | J]

WL, you are really trying to stretch what I actually did/said with this QL stuffs.

 

[Raziek]

Did Ran leave any crumbs about a possible guard target? I'll look later, but I just wanted to bring it up.

 

[#HBC | Dancer]

J and Raz, less question asking and more question answering please.

 

[#HBC | Laundry]

WL, you are really trying to stretch what I actually did/said with this QL stuffs.

Nah .

 

[Raziek]

J and Raz, less question asking and more question answering please.

Nobody has asked me a question.

 

[#HBC | Dancer]

Finally caught him on a mod error!

Raz now that you've wagoned a popular slot to wagon without a real reason accidentally mislynched obvious scum Marshy, what is your scum team looking like?

WL you?

@WL's question: Nothing. I still like a July and J scum team. I'm just saying that I can also see a WL/July scum team. Sorry if that wasn't clear.

Here, let me give you the scum team I'm thinking of right now:

Raz, July, and one of WL/J.

In bold, Raz.

 

[Raziek]

I assumed that was a rhetorical question, since you're calling me scum.

Are you asking me who I think is scum?

 

[#HBC | J]

Here, let me give you the scum team I'm thinking of right now:

Raz, July, and WL.

I actually really like and agree to this scum-team. Especially because I feel Ryker is town, you are town, and KevinM is a lean-town read.

J and Raz, less question asking and more question answering please.

There were none asked of me nor did I ask any myself. ">_>

Swords, you say you want one of July/J/WL gone toDay. Who do you feel should go more?

WL's quick-voting me in MyLo is like "..." especially when he is trying to bring up that I tried QL'ing July when the most I did was just defend Marshy's actions because they weren't scummy haha.

One of July/WL should go toDay, however, gut still tells me July is more likely scum over WL so I am leaning thatta way.

@Claiming:

I kind of already did when I was "shot" in my first post D1. I just left out the flavor because of the rushness I was feeling. I'm Magic Lamp, VT.

Raz, do you have anything new to bring to the table? Your reads this game have just been cookie cutter of the Ryker/WL duo and have minimal backing to them or any real explanation as to why. In your opinion, July or WL?

 

[Raziek]

I'm honestly going to be basing most of my reads at this point off of trying to match claims with play. I haven't given this game enough attention to provide a read with any substance behind it.

 

[#HBC | J]

Alright that's semi-fair.

Can I still get an answer to which of July or WL you dislike more?

 

[Raziek]

Laundry for reasons I'll be refraining from disclosing just yet, at least until Ryker/Glyph show up and post.

 

[#HBC | J]

EBWOP: From what you believe from WL's posts since you have at least given a clue that you know about WL a bit.

Messed up clarifying that question.

 

[#HBC | J]

Laundry for reasons I'll be refraining from disclosing just yet, at least until Ryker/Glyph show up and post.

Ninja'd, but thanks.

Does Swords posts toDay give you that towny vibe or do they give ya something different?

 

[Raziek]

Swords is the second last person in my lynch order, most likely. Highly unlikely I'll be pushing his direction.

So yes, I think he's Town.

My main pool right now is You, Kevin and Laundry, not necessarily in that order.

After that it'd be July, then Ryker/Swords rounding out the "If I have to lynch them we probably lose".

 

[Raziek]

Like, from a practicality standpoint, even if I thought they were scum I don't have the thread power to lynch Swords or Ryker.

 

[#HBC | J]

Why KevinM, may I ask?

 

[Raziek]

dude i never had beef with anyone until this lynch. look at this ****. just look at it

everyone in the game has stated that j is a good lynch. several players have even gone so far as to suspect others largely out the scumread they have on him (j is scum so x or y is a likely partner)

but what are we doing instead

we are lynching me. because of speculation off a nightkill. the lynch is useful for scum (outside of being a mislynch) because they are deprived of accountability. "lol im just sheeping my town reads" and "well dude it was him or kevin and I JUST DONT WANT TO LYNCH KEVIN"

and then people say its me or kevin

but when i flip town

people are going to lynch j even tho kevin should "definitely" be scum

yet if people TRULY believed this nkill wifom bull**** they would gun straight for kevin if i flipped town. one of us HAS to be scum right? you are subscribing yourself to a dichotomy and when presented with information that will allow you to rectify your mistake should you choose wrong you instead...dont do it and go for someone else. it just shows that people dont really believe it and are being lazy with this lynch

and then you have people who i KNOW have brains (you were obvtown in math blasters. ranmaru i believe to be protown here. july is weird but she has shown a good grasp of mafia regardless of her alignment) rolling with it. it is facepalm inducing

This post is getting to me, because Marshy was completely goddamn right about that lynch.

 

[#HBC | Dancer]

J they're a lot of left over questions from Day 2 that you haven't answered yet.

Why did you send me that message? Why not simply ask me in thread? Early yesturDay you were calling Ryker scum but now you've changed that pov. Why?

Yes Raz I'm looking for your scum team.

 

[Raziek]

Well, you're gonna have to look pretty hard, because I'm not scum, Sword. Just lazy and pre-occupied for the majority of the game.

 

[#HBC | Dancer]

I'm honestly going to be basing most of my reads at this point off of trying to match claims with play. I haven't given this game enough attention to provide a read with any substance behind it.

Raz if your town then you're not exactly doing a good job of convincing me otherwise.

WHY does your play seem like you're simply trying to survive at this, point, with the way you're simply joining the easiest wagons in the game. Why was your opening posts into this game so generic (simply riding out the "Ryker is ********" thing, you couldn't of been THAT mad at him, could you?). Why did you jump onto the Marshy wagon without any reasoning, despite J supposedly being your strongest scum pick (These question are rhetorical btw.)?

Interested in your WL suspicion though. Especially after you stated him as a town read yesturDay.

@J: You forgot about Raz. However I would have to say you. Raz I feel like is the safest lynch in the sense that I'm most confident that he's scum, but we can't delay lynching one of you/July any longer. At the very least, there's no point in doing so. Lynching Raz toDay would probably give us a scum, but then what? We're right back in the situation where we are deciding between you and July. So yeah.

 

[#HBC | J]

Alrighty, I'll go digging around D2 then. However, I can answer those now since they are easy.

I sent you that message because at the end of D1/Beginning of D2 you were a confusing read of mine where I could not determine your intent and I believe I said that in the message to you. I wanted to see how you would react to my letter to you and plus there is the fact that I didn't have anyone else I really wanted to send a message to that day-phase and I already missed the opportunity D1 to send one and I wanted to make the best of the agent thing. (Also moreso because I'm just a VT so the Agent thing is all I have in terms of "PR" type deal.) It is true I could have just asked you in thread as you said, but I also wanted to get you to understand my train of thought more than I could form in the thread. Its weird to explain because I felt I could ask the questions better/get a better grasp on you if I were to make it more 1 on 1.

W.r.t. Ryker-read, the reason I thought they could be scum is because I thought they were being entirely irrational and using logic that was fundamentally flawed in order to try and acquire their lynches (i.e. Marshy/Kevin/Me) and how he is not even considering to look into WL as scum just because WL is more or less Ryker's mega-phone this game. However, that read as said rashly because when I went back and read through his posts with a clearer head, I do feel his slot is town and does not make sense as scum whatsoever, w.r.t. his ability and his play this game has been to methodological to be scum. He seems to just be trying to fight for thread control in order to push his scum-picks that he is strong on but this game, he has just had absolutely terrible reads this game. (i.e. Myself/Mentos/Marshy/EE) So I guess I was also hoping he would be scum, to excuse these sort of reads, but it doesn't seem to be the case after looking through his posts.

I also got another weird thing about Ryker, he is being stubborn with his reads, but looking at his posts with more of an analytical thought process, you can see that he isn't fully shutting all the doors on things and actually considering options if some people are to flip town which is why I am curious to see what his thoughts are now that Marshy flipped town.

That's the difference between Ryker/WL, in my opinion, they are both stubborn this game and harping on their reads but Ryker is making more an effort to find scum, where WL is more looking at trying to get people to just lynch someone with the way he just keeps going at things until everyone's heard it a dozen times. An example would be the push on me, whereas Ryker would be focusing elsewhere while also saying that I was scum, WL would just continuously jump up and down saying that I was scum and that I needed to be lynched. I don't see the town-intent behind WL and more just scum-intent of trying to get a lynch, rather then lynch scum, which I feel Ryker is morely doing.

@Raz: I believe he was asking who you thought the 3 scum-team is haha. Also, if I recall correctly, wasn't Marshy saying he didn't wanna lynch KevinM because he had a town read on him but in that post was just morely pointing out the logic that was being used to lynch him which was terrible and proved his point when he flipped town.

 

[#HBC | Dancer]

Well, you're gonna have to look pretty hard, because I'm not scum, Sword. Just lazy and pre-occupied for the majority of the game.

Was asking you for who YOU think is scum.

Btw you just seem absolutely desperate to prove to me that you're not scum.

 

[#HBC | J]

@J: You forgot about Raz. However I would have to say you. Raz I feel like is the safest lynch in the sense that I'm most confident that he's scum, but we can't delay lynching one of you/July any longer. At the very least, there's no point in doing so. Lynching Raz toDay would probably give us a scum, but then what? We're right back in the situation where we are deciding between you and July. So yeah.

....didn't we do this yesterDay Swords with the Marshy lynch? I mean this is exactly the logic that was used to lynch Marshy yesterDay over my slot where I was "obv-scum" to Ryker/WL but they decided to lynch one of Marshy/KevinM and look how that turned out haha. We are now in MyLo because of it.

Man, I wanna believe Raz is just more or less apathetic because he, is in fact lazy, but due to PoE I don't really have anyone else better to replace him on a scum-team with July/WL.

 

[#HBC | Dancer]

....didn't we do this yesterDay Swords with the Marshy lynch? I mean this is exactly the logic that was used to lynch Marshy yesterDay over my slot where I was "obv-scum" to Ryker/WL but they decided to lynch one of Marshy/KevinM and look how that turned out haha. We are now in MyLo because of it.

Man, I wanna believe Raz is just more or less apathetic because he, is in fact lazy, but due to PoE I don't really have anyone else better to replace him on a scum-team with July/WL.

Yeah except the the difference here is that Marshy lynch was ********. It was based off of entirely WIFOM logic that didn't really even make sense with what actually happened Day 1 in the first place.

J, what about Ryker's Day vig? Are you still taking that as null?

 

[#HBC | J]

Hm....no. I'm not taking it as null anymore and it does lean more towny over scummy and the fact that I was calling that scummy was a reach on my part that was not using really good logic.

 

[#HBC | J]

So what was your reasoning for asking about Ran? Why did you want to ask who I would pick to lynch out of Marshy or LDR? Also why send the letter instead of simply ask it in thread?

My reasoning for asking about Ran was because during D1/D2 you were seeming to flip and somewhat sheep Ran but at the same time not...basically your entire attitude towards Ran gave me weird vibes.

Reason why I asked out of Marshy/LDR is because they were the main topic at the time in thread in terms of lynching Marshy and to see which one of your reads were stronger based on play and the like.

I answered the last one already and actually I feel I have answered most of your other questions in detail with my latest big post. Are there any questions I'm missing/you think need more clarification from you Swords?

I'm not sure what I'm more amused by, the fact that Raz is suggesting my lynch now after he thought I was town yesterday, or the fact that he's justifying it by meta.

vote: J

^It's LyLo guys, and this ****er's obvscum.

You mention that it's LyLo and vote me in the same post. Logic--->Window