Glide Tossing Returns!

[SamuraiPanda]

I don't take any credit for this. I found it in a thread by @ Opana on the Megaman boards. Apparently you can jump cancel glide toss!

Can't wait to see how this turns out for Diddy, Bowser Jr, Link and other item spawning characters.

EDIT: It has been explained to me that this is technically a "Jump Canceled Throw" (which existed in Brawl) rather than a Glide toss. Regardless, it functions the same way in a character's kit.

 

[Raijinken]

Think this'll work for Megaman, or is the Metal Blade too functionally different for it to work?

Edit: I really should watch the video before I respond. That said, wonder if this'll work to his advantage, or if his approach options are still too weak?

 

[<π]

neat-o ! can't wait to see how this affects a lot of the cast.

 

[Schtizzel]

Actually that's just a Jump Cancel Throw and not a Glide Toss (canceling a Roll with an Item Toss).

 

[Opana]

Actually that's just a Jump Cancel Throw and not a Glide Toss (canceling a Roll with an Item Toss).

Actually, it's a jump canceled glide toss.

Thanks for the thread/credit btw.

 

[LordShade67]

I only have the demo, but I can confirm this works for Link as well.

 

[LiL.Will]

Infinity also showed it was possible with MK last night on stream but his slide was like brawls glide toss. So i think its possible without JCing Nakat has a vid of megaman with a farther slide i think.

 

[Schtizzel]

As far as I can tell, you're just canceling a jump into an item toss. Correct me if i'm wrong.

Glide Toss:
To perform a glide toss, the player must grab a throwable item. He/she must then perform a roll and almost immediately (about 6 frames) after, throw the item in any direction. The character will then cancel the dodge and throw the item, but seeing as the player's momentum is kept from the roll, the character will slide along the ground.

Jump Cancel Throw:
The jump cancel throw (abbreviated JCT) is an advanced technique in Super Smash Bros. Brawl that allows the player to throw an item while sliding a little bit forward, similar to a glide toss. It can be performed by any character in the game. The player must have an item in their character's hand, then dash. They must then jump and cancel the dash into a throw. There are different frame limits for each character. Basically, the technique is performed by transferring the jump momentum into the toss, which is how the character slides forward.

According to this explanations it's "just" a JCT.

Sorry to be so nitpicky but as a Brawl Diddy Kong player I have to point it out.

 

[Opana]

As far as I can tell, you're just canceling a jump into an item toss. Correct me if i'm wrong.





According to this explanations it's "just" a JCT.

Sorry to be so nitpicky but as a Brawl Diddy Kong player I have to point it out.

Well, if you're a Diddy player you're likely right.

Sorry about that.

 

[SamuraiPanda]

As far as I can tell, you're just canceling a jump into an item toss. Correct me if i'm wrong.





According to this explanations it's "just" a JCT.

Sorry to be so nitpicky but as a Brawl Diddy Kong player I have to point it out.

Good call, added it to the OP.

 

[Dust the Baptist]

I saw someone on tourney locators stream demonstrate metaknights glide toss. it seems to be in the game for a couple of characters. I feel once we get the wiiu version we will be able to glide toss better.

 

[Opana]

Villager can JCT too(Tested with Timber wood.), so the possibility of stealing a throwable item stored with Pocket is pretty interesting to me.

 

[MachoCheeze]

Dude, I wonder what this could do for Pac-Man!!

 

[Opana]

Link's bombs not hurting him when hitting the opponent is a welcome addition for JCT followups.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZyZE0BJVAKk

 

[EdreesesPieces]

Is there any advantage to this as link vs just dashing to throw a bomb then re dashing to do an attack? I find that Link can combo very well by dashing out of a dash bomb throw.

 

[McX]

Link's bombs don't hurt him anymore if they connect with the opponent. Supposedly, it follows into a usmash combo if you use a jump cancelled toss.

 

[Funbun]

this was in brawl jesus christ lmao

 

[Jellyfish4102]

this was in brawl jesus christ lmao

The title does say RETURNS…

 

[Opana]

Is there any advantage to this as link vs just dashing to throw a bomb then re dashing to do an attack? I find that Link can combo very well by dashing out of a dash bomb throw.

Not positive, but I believe there's less lag, same for the pivot JCT too. It's not too useful for positioning with Link though do to his extremely small slide. I did get it to combo into usmash out of a forward toss close range, a pivot toss at a bit of a distance into an arrow, and a bit closer but still at a distance JCT to dash attack.

I can't guarantee any of those will work against humans, although I'm almost positive usmash would.

 

[Luigi player]

Don't hype me up with the thread title but I was thinking it was probably the JCIT anyway...

Problem is you can't do it out of shield which is what made glidetossing really good to punish something OoS. (especially for Diddy)

Also this is known since like a month but I guess it's good to make a whole thread here for it so more people know about it.

 

[obeymalleo]

I saw someone on tourney locators stream demonstrate metaknights glide toss. it seems to be in the game for a couple of characters. I feel once we get the wiiu version we will be able to glide toss better.

Is there a link to that?

 

[Opana]

Is there a link to that?

I'd like one as well actually.

 

[Dust the Baptist]

@ obeymalleo It was one of tourney locators stream i'll look for it.

 

[lijero13ss]

Been trying to figure out how to do this...So is it just:
1. Dash w/ item in hand
2. Press X to jump (demo assumption)
3. Press L immediately (item gets thrown forward)

Is that it? (excuse me for my noobness)

 

[Opana]

Been trying to figure out how to do this...So is it just:
1. Dash w/ item in hand
2. Press X to jump (demo assumption)
3. Press L immediately (item gets thrown forward)

Is that it? (excuse me for my noobness)

Didn't try with L, but assume that works the same. I just use my thumb over A and X to perform it easier.

That's pretty much it though.

 

[Dust the Baptist]

http://www.twitch.tv/tourneylocator/b/570259722 at 1:24:50 they show how Meta Knight can glide toss.

 

[Yodude57]

Been trying to figure out how to do this...So is it just:
1. Dash w/ item in hand
2. Press X to jump (demo assumption)
3. Press L immediately (item gets thrown forward)

Is that it? (excuse me for my noobness)

Don't worry I'm a noob too XD and we both live in IL!

 

[Opana]

http://www.twitch.tv/tourneylocator/b/570259722 at 1:24:50 they show how Meta Knight can glide toss.

Will watch when I get the chance, thanks.

 

[Malex]

In the stream, I believe that metaknight is legitimately glide tossing, and not JC item tossing. So, to training mode!

Edit:

Ok so, I believe that megaman's item toss just straight up cancels momentum from rolling. When I get the chance, I'll try to get metaknight to glide toss with a saw blade, but I'll have to wait until my brother becomes available to play.


Double Edit:

I was able to successfully glide toss with Metaknight using Megaman's saw blade. Megaman's item throw animation cancels roll momentum. (Or for some reason, Metaknight's doesn't cancel it.)


Triple Edit:

Item Spawn Characters -- (Note: I am able to consistently glide toss with metaknight at this point. I considered the test conclusive if I was able to interrupt the actual roll animation into a throw, for example, if Link were in the middle of his somersault.)

Peach -- No
Bowser Jr -- No
Diddy -- No
Link -- No
Toon Link -- No
Robot -- No
Villager -- No
Pac Man -- No

All characters that spawn items cannot glide toss with any item. (Or, at the very least their own item and the control item (beam sword))

If it is any consolation, characters can item toss directly out of shield via roll cancels or jump cancels.

 

[Opana]

Great job, interesting development.

 

[ソチャラ「Sóchara 」]

I don't understand the utility of this. I'd like to. Help?

 

[Opana]

I don't understand the utility of this. I'd like to. Help?

IMO, it's just a better way to toss out of a dash, as when you toss normally it creates more lag(Same for pivot.)

Aside from that though, I use it to distance myself, and although situational it can be used into an usmash or utilt.

 

[Player-1]

For whatever reason, MK is the only character in the game, from what I can tell, with an actual useful glidetoss. I tested on the other characters (minus wario, lucina, and rob since I don't have them yet, but they also probably don't have a notable one since it's probably because of MK's unique roll).

 

[Opana]

Thanks for that; I guess one is better than nothing so I'll take what I can get. I loved GT in Brawl so I'll miss is a bunch.

 

[Gidy]

This is too hard...can someone explain how to do it again? lol.

 

[Malex]

This is too hard...can someone explain how to do it again? lol.

Glide Toss: Metaknight only

1. Hold R -> Shield active
2. Hold towards opponent -> Roll begins
3. Push L -> Item toss

It takes a few times to learn the timing. If you do a standing item toss, it is too soon. If you just roll it was too late.

JC Item Toss: Everyone

1. Jump -> Character starts jump animation
2. Before you leave ground -> Item Toss

Barring any new information, I don't really see any usefulness as far as movement options go for it. I only use it to throw items out of shield and to standing throw items out of runs.

 

[Opana]

Glide Toss: Metaknight only

1. Hold R -> Shield active
2. Hold towards opponent -> Roll begins
3. Push L -> Item toss

It takes a few times to learn the timing. If you do a standing item toss, it is too soon. If you just roll it was too late.

JC Item Toss: Everyone

1. Jump -> Character starts jump animation
2. Before you leave ground -> Item Toss

Barring any new information, I don't really see any usefulness as far as movement options go for it. I only use it to throw items out of shield and to standing throw items out of runs.

Better explanation than I.

 

[Servbot6]

It also seems that megaman can reverse JC item toss for a mix up option ( so like to bait out an attack and then punish with a side smash).

 

[Opana]

It also seems that megaman can reverse JC item toss for a mix up option ( so like to bait out an attack and then punish with a side smash).

You mean pivot?

 

[DakotaBonez]

Looks like how I (try to) wavedash.
Can you use this on platforms to land quicker like in melee?