Let me tell you all a tale, a tale of a muscular duo, trying to make sense of a tiny-muscled world.
My friends, its time to lay down our cards and do what must be done to live up to our family name.
Our story starts early today, with the first post in fact. Banana (our hero), comes storming in with a vote on us. He says that he 'couldn't see how the Bardully lynch went through', even though its plainly obvious how it did. For someone who will later openly admit to having skimmed, there is an incredible amount of certainty and conviction to this.
This vote rapidly spirals into a situation in which we are forced to claim.
Lets take a moment to look at the players in this.
Banana - Has been all up on this scum read from the start of the day, and hasn't actually shown evidence for the read until recently other than some weak **** about the John push.
Detective - ALSO a fan of the 'what's up with the John push' logic.
JD - Comes in and doesn't seem interested in the wagon at first, but then falls in line once it builds serious steam and even puts me at what I thought was L-1 at the time.
Ran - Good GOD Ran's approach to this was bad. He votes over a point that is 100% incorrect and literally disproved by the actions of the previous day, and then he pushes another point (me not questioning Banana on his vote, even though I did). He apologizes, but seems to forget to unvote. He also cites it being a gut read, which is totally out of line if you're actually going to try to lynch someone.
Oh, and all four of those players were all for getting a claim. This **** sucker punched me in the gut and then spat in my eye; I didn't know who the **** to respond to the ****ty posts being thrown at me and this sudden push for a claim freaking HOURS into the Day. Looking back, I absolutely GUARANTEE at least one of these guys is scum, possibly more. Ran and Detective are null for this action, as thats just kind of something you come to expect after a while.
Banana and JD, however, were not in the clear. Banana we have since learned was almost certainly being jailed N1 and N2. So, its pretty clear that they don't have any night actions to cite for this pressure. If they had any actual substance from the game before, one would THINK that they would have probably POINTED IT OUT. Instead, they let the wagon get to L-2 (or L-1, I'm not sure) and maintain that they're down for the lynch to go through.
And JD. Its pretty clear from the get go that he's not liking Gorf, who was someone we were feeling okay with at the time. The way he handles the situation of my slot being pushed to almost being lynched, and then throwing out that WAIT! GUYS also Gorf is something to be looked at too! Just saying! lead us to believe that he either had some kind of PR or was scum setting up a backup lynch if we didn't pan out. Lets get this cleared up now, we have JD as town but you'll also see us later on REALLY trying to get him to own up to having a big point against Gorf before we'd add our support. At this point in the story JD is championing us as this 99.9% lynch and just throwing Gorf out there as a discussion point. Makes it look like he's scum on our wagon and Gorf could be a potential scumbuddy.
But I digress from my story! In the massive wave of posts following the call for the claim, Banana drops his first hint that he believed there was multiple mafia factions.
(I know I'm skipping ahead of myself here but bear with me, this is a big component of the Banana case). So Banana is suggesting multiple mafia factions. We later push this point a bit, seeing as how there really shouldn't be much of an explanation to this claim based off the the flow of the game (not a single mafia flip for one). The only thing that could justify such a statement would be being the Comparison Cop. For those of you who aren't familiar, a comparison cop looks at two players and determines if they are aligned with each other, or not. But take a moment to evaluate what we know thus far as far as roles in the game goes.
-We know that town is CONFIRMED to have had a Tracker and a Popgun Vig
-We're fairly certain that town has a Backup to the Vig as well as a Flavor Cop
-We also have an inventor and a jailer both claiming to be town as well
That's 7 slots out of 14 claiming town PRs. That **** is ASTRONOMICAL, especially considering we didn't even see a NK on N1 which leads me to believe Banana IS correct about two weak mafia factions as opposed to one powerful one with less overall members.
So put yourself in the shoes of ComparisonCopBanana for a moment if you will. You're doing your thing. You haven't gotten a result back yet, which is weird, but hey its not the end of the world. And then you see someone claim Flavor Cop.
HMM.
Another investigative role huh. In a game where we've had a tracker already flip.
Here's the thing,
I'm certainly not saying its impossible for there to be both a comparison cop and a flavor cop alive in this setup. But for Kuz and Katefi to BOTH look at that claim and not even show a HINT of thinking 'well hey, but WE'RE a cop too! Maybe he's not legit?' is totally unacceptable. Most likely because THEY ARE MAFIA. THEY KNOW THAT THERE IS TWO MAFIA FACTIONS MOST LIKELY BECAUSE THEIR FACTION HAS SOME KIND OF INFO ON THE SETUP, AND I WOULDN'T BE SURPRISED IF THE OTHER MAFIA FACTION HAD SIMILAR INFORMATION.
So there's that.
Back to the good stuff though!
We soon find ourselves at my slot's claim. Banana is quick to make a comment on how useless the PR is, despite literally not having any information on what the PR actually did. Again, bold words with no support.
When called out on it, he responds, 'Good thing too. I was starting to think you were town due to it being so useless. '
WHAT. At this point Banana is simply reaching for any possible point that they can get to push his scum read, going so far as to claim that sending the laser eyepatch was anti-town BECAUSE IT COVERED THE LASER. This **** absolutely enraged me. For one, the laser is INCLUDED with the eyepatch, of ****ing course you don't want it firing all the damn time. And two, JOHN WOULDN'T HAVE HAD A LASER AT ALL WITHOUT THE DRAWING. Just, goddamn. The WORST point.
This is also the area where we go from Banana saying 'Biceps has played scummy as ****' and justifying it with LITERALLY nothing more than 'Your reasoning for voting John D2.' A point that had already been put forth by Detective. So Banana is bringing NOTHING new to the table (and has even admitted to skimming), and is simply pushing a crucial 3rd mislynch in on smugness alone.
Lets take a moment to get back to the JDscum read we had at the time. This is when the REAL meat of the Gorf/Banana case starts to come together for us.
Gorf isn't scum. If he does, his faction doesn't have a nk.
I would bet my life on it.
/investigative crumb
Wow that's pretty confident coming from someone who's supposed to have been roleblocked every possible night. Some might even say impossibly so. Like, that you'd have to be mafia WITH Gorf for that to be something you'd even say! But hey, that's crazy talk right.
This is the area where JD actually starting bringing out some serious evidence against Gorf, enough to the point where we start to lean away from Gorf being the town in the situation and instead moving him to more of a null. We needed to evaluate him further.
JD also makes a point of acting as though our slot is a set lynch for the day, but seems determined to keep pushing the Gorf lynch as a fallback and even connecting him to our slot. At this point we're still really iffy on JD especially since he keeps emphasizing Gorf as a backup lynch and us as this super likely, uncontested lynch.
I'd also like to point out the eyepatch actually covers up Stryker from firing his lazer. If anything Glyph tried to block John's vig shot but wanted to sort of give the appearance that he was buffing him up if he was forced to claim.
It's like RR says. If he actually was trying to buff up John, draw him a gigashield or some ****. So scum.
So scum.
The maddest. The worst ****ing point ever. Yes I know I already brought this up but **** you it just makes me mad looking at it.
Moving on.
JD agrees with the eyepatch stupidity, somehow missing the fact that the desk jockey wouldn't have a goddamn laser in the first place without what we sent John.
Next up in Banana's quest to make mislynches happen all day erryday is a hurdle set forth by Ranmaru. Ran quotes his post claiming Gorf is town and his investigative crumb, and prompts him to explain his read on him.
EE blows up (rightfully so) and then people do a whole bunch of nothing as Xonar joins the game. Banana never responds to the points made by EE.
By the time Banana does get around to posting again, it completely ignoring Ran's question and instead asking Gorf to join the Biceps wagon (despite Gorf literally saying they had us as town the post right before it).
****s staged, bro. By acting like they need to pursade Gorf in thread (despite somehow ignoring the post he just made), they create an illusion of separation between the two that doesn't actually make any sense.
And before you think 'oh hey, maybe he just got ninja'd is all', the posts were made almost a half hour apart.
JD pushing Banana to elaborate on JTB pops up soon after, as well as a question about a post made late D1 by Banana in which he votes for Orbo 3 times (heavily implying that he has reason to believe Orbo is scum). Neither of these are addressed.
This marks the beginning of what I have dubbed 'Gorf's Trial'. By giving Gorf a person to latch onto and a defense to use (ie, calling him town and explaining he was just being lazy), we gave Gorf an easy out to the pressure on him. An easy out that is almost certainly wrong, but Gorf didn't need to know that at the moment. TownGorf would have balked at the points we made, but instead he happily pins them onto his shirt and says 'Yeah THAT'S it!' At this point, Gorf is making serious headway into being scum, and the post Banana made about him DEFINITELY not being scum is looking pretty bad.
And then the fun between JD and Gorf REALLY kicks off. They go back and forth on whether or not he should claim, and then Gorf finally does claim once there's some serious pressure on him. He claims roleblocker, which makes sense to do as the jailer. Less chance of someone ****ing with you in the night.
Banana unvotes right afterwards (which would line up with being a PR and not having gotten a result back)... but doesn't confirm whether or not he had received a result. And then comes back soon after saying that its not worth the risk of keeping him alive. So Banana, while not voting for Gorf, is still pushing his lynch. See the problem there?
Gorf has bad crumbs and Banana puts forth that he thinks Gorf is a jailer, but not a town aligned one. Guess how many reasons for this are stated (spoiler: zero).
Blah blah more crumb stuff, Banana threatening to hammer but of course does not.
And then. Banana 'hammers'. But Gorf, pft, Gorf doesn't give a ****! He's not mad, he's not upset, I mean why would he be!
The whole thing is just gross. His initial post following the hammer is a response to something, interrupted with a welp, and then the only other post he makes before Detective posts saying it wasn't a hammer was just
Wasn't even AtE, look at it again.
First post implies he thought it was a hammer. Second post does not. That dog won't hunt.
This effectively catches us up to where we are right now. Gorf calls Banana town (though he strikes it out for some reason???) soon after the fake hammer. Banana (with no public justification) says that 'Kat has convinced me that Gorf isn't scum'. Gee that would have been swell to share with us, but it looks to me like you've just found a chance to save your scummate.
I'm going to respond to your case as well, but that's for a new post.
vote: Gorf
F***ing deal with it, nerds. Muscles gunna show you how its done.
