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Gigabots Manfia - GAME [JUMB]OVER. Who got the Gigatron?

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Your reasoning for voting John D2.

The fact that he even targeted Ran to give him some sort of power sets off huge danger flags. As town he'd be giving his inventions to people he'd think would use them wisely. Him giving Ranmaru a picture of a butt is exactly what he would do as scum, because it gives him a way to confirm his PR while not actually buffing anyone that would turn on them. And he can just use the excuse, well I was just trolling Ran with a butt which is why I chose him as a target.

@RR: The setup is swingy.
 

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Seeking a ML off a townie.

Yeah Pheonix does succeed the commander in the show, no you can't always make that work in mafia.

Tried to use the voteblock as condemning of him.

Your pick apart of the claim is a reach on WIFOM.
This got lost in claiming.

But one, there was no wait to have known John was town at the time.

Just because you can't always make something work in mafia doesn't mean you should just throw that all aside without second consideration.

The voteblock WAS damning. The ****ing plant role is the last thing I expected to be at play, but when it was brought to my attention and explained that it was one Laundry was notorious for using I dropped my pressure and agreed that John was town. Because it lined up.

You'll have to elaborate more on my picking apart of the claim because really right now that is incredibly vague and I can't do much more than say 'no its not'
 

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This got lost in claiming.

But one, there was no wait to have known John was town at the time.

Just because you can't always make something work in mafia doesn't mean you should just throw that all aside without second consideration.

The voteblock WAS damning. The ****ing plant role is the last thing I expected to be at play, but when it was brought to my attention and explained that it was one Laundry was notorious for using I dropped my pressure and agreed that John was town. Because it lined up.

You'll have to elaborate more on my picking apart of the claim because really right now that is incredibly vague and I can't do much more than say 'no its not'
Goddamnit I am killing myself with this hydra ****
 

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Good thing I unvoted eh?


Honestly I'm just stalling for time right now. I want more discussion and I DEFINITELY want Xonar to post before we call this.
 

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Your reasoning for voting John D2..
Red flags went up for me there, but I was drunk and St. pats day so...yeah.

The fact that he even targeted Ran to give him some sort of power sets off huge danger flags. As town he'd be giving his inventions to people he'd think would use them wisely. Him giving Ranmaru a picture of a butt is exactly what he would do as scum, because it gives him a way to confirm his PR while not actually buffing anyone that would turn on them. And he can just use the excuse, well I was just trolling Ran with a butt which is why I chose him as a target.

@RR: The setup is swingy.
I don't like the troll excuse either, it's too far out there for even Glyph to do.

But again as I asked, does that help Ran as not aligned then?
 

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Your reasoning for voting John D2.

The fact that he even targeted Ran to give him some sort of power sets off huge danger flags. As town he'd be giving his inventions to people he'd think would use them wisely. Him giving Ranmaru a picture of a butt is exactly what he would do as scum, because it gives him a way to confirm his PR while not actually buffing anyone that would turn on them. And he can just use the excuse, well I was just trolling Ran with a butt which is why I chose him as a target.

@RR: The setup is swingy.
I didn't think of it that way. I thought he had pre-set abilities to give out. But this makes sense.
 

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We were trying to get you to drop a hint as to what it did so we could better use our power on N2.
No. You were saying that so I could know that it was YOU who sent it to me. Keep in mind that I wouldn't have known who it was until you dropped the hint.

Plus it didn't help me find out what it did either.
 

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I'm going to re-read D2.

Behavior of how people took to the John revelation is going to be telling, and I think both Jupiter and Gorf were against a turnaround: Gorf even VOTING John after it was explained out.

Please don't end this day yet
 

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Ran aligned with Jupiter? Oh I'm not even trying to figure that **** out.

If I had to guess, I'd say 2v2v1. Maybe just 3v2. Jupiter is probably that 1 as, if he had mates, he'd just give abilities to them. I'm guessing indy flip. I also don't really care how this affects Ran. I had a town read on him awhile back but need to reread anyway.
 

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And I mean, come on, you KNOW EE is a fan of strong endgame players over weak clears.

John target N2. Really?
 

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EE has literally done nothing this whole game other than make a few posts. What EE prefers to have at endgame is not the same as what I want to have at endgame.

And yes John, he was the only person going into that night that was almost certainly town.

And he was going to most likely be targeted with ****, so I tried to give him a defense against it (though it doing what I expected was slim odds).
 

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Yes. The eyepatch was only used when Commander Stryker was being held at gunpoint as a last ditch effort to save his life.

If that won't give someone a power that lets them kill someone who targets them with a NK, I don't know what will.

The decision to send the butt was made by both of us, I made the call on the eyepatch. He agreed with the decision when we discussed it afterwards though.
 

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Again your claim shows you could have made it anything.

Yet instead of a vest, shield, barrier. You gave him a laser eye patch. Which is sort of a reach on it doing exactly that over the others where the meaning seems more likely to be understood.
 

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I partially believe the eyepatch theory just because it sounds badass in the flavor. As ill advised as it may have been versus something more purely defensive.

I assume John vig'd Murder and the stinky butt covered up his role, but we can't say for sure if the laser eyepatch didn't simply kill Murder in response to attacking John and they both died. It's a stretch of course, but we don't know how Washed decided to play on the eyepatch with certainty.
 

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Now: before we take a chance on Jupiter, I want opinions on Gorf.

The way he had been backing Murder, the way he pushed Orbo and pushed back at me out of game style, the way he fished for my role as being Stryker after John's initial claim and still didn't. And then when it became apparent that John's wagon was going to be cleared up he was suddenly 100% fine with Bardull. Gorf is so scum:

Here he tries to get me to blindly sheep a questionable lynch with out of game talk.
No. You're being a thick headed anti conformist. Me being a total a**hole to you is not a scum tell, it's simply hilarious. Deal with it p****. Vegito has done nothing but made his stance as a town player iirc, and especially because of the way that he composed himself with Orbo. John, on the other hand, is being our cheerleader, chanting that he doesn't like Orbo and is being scummy as holy hell about it and it SEEMS like it can very well be a bus attempt with how goddamn empty his tone of attitude is. Now I hope you already have, but hop off my d***, and hop off of Vegito's. Realize that your logic is flawed, and actually read what we're saying with an open mindset. If you do, you'll realize that what we're saying holds absolute merit and you'll put him on your scum list. If you've already done this then don't take this post as anything, but your insistence on making your place as an absolute individual is ANNOYING. Sometimes, agreeing and backing a read is the way to go, and I'm only aggravated cuz I'm 100% sure you're town. No you don't have to agree with Orbo being scum, but stop being so against better players for the sake of being against better players, and yes, that's what you're doing.
Then: after John claims and I back up he openly fishes for my role, specifically as Stryker. No good could possibly come of that as town, if he thought I was Stryker he would have kept his mouth shut, but instead he straight fished for it.
@Ninja in short, John's made himself into a totally unconformable until this dude dies slot.

And Oh my god Dietz just cuz you're commander stryker doesn't make him town, it makes him accurately guess a character -________-... How'd I know that? Cuz you're not slick.
(NO TOWN SHOULD EVER VOLUNTARILY OUT ANOTHER TOWNIES POSSIBLE PR LIKE THAT WITHOUT GOOD REASON)

Then: he instantly flips his position when it comes to talking about a role that's most likely scum.
You're ******** why would you even say that out loud that's to save for when the voteblocker says "lol I'm da 1 whu did dat 2 jon i b so town rite?"

Then, when all of that fizzles out and being Voteblocked isn't going to seal the wagon... he tries to hammer John personally without giving regard to my information and sudden defense of John. Any town should have gave major pause to someone on a wagon doing a full stop on a nearly pushed through lynch.
Aww man this is going to be one of those games that I skimmed a lot of I can tell :ohwell:

Unvote Vote: John I don't even give a fuhh if I hammered.
Then of course there's his instant jump to and insistence to be the one to hammer Bardull after he simply shows up as a candidate to shift focus to, by merely speaking and asking why Gorf just voted.
Okay now I'm fine with Bardull.


Jupiter attempted to back this all as well
If you've got information that could clear a playerslot, then I want to hear it. Especially when his claim, play, and this roleblock garbage is making me want him so dead it hurts.

Lets look at his claim in detail.



Incredibly minor character. In a game as small as this I find it hard to see that as a legit flavor, much less as an important of a role as a backup (more important than a VT at least).

Now what I CAN see it as is a neat little safeclaim.



Fine from a claim point of view, but from a flavor point of view it is NASTY. Consider if you will the actual events of Gigabots. Commander Stryker DID die, and he DID have a successor. Only issue here was it wasn't desk grunt #2 (he was too busy being dead, but even if he HAD lived through it I find it incredibly far fetched that he'd be chosen to fill his shoes). No, it was HIS SON, PHOENIX WHO LITERALLY DID THE THING JOHN IS CLAIMING IN HIS ROLE.



'Also conveniently my internet might be spotty so don't expect me to be able to actually answer questions'

What lucky timing!




I'm surprised he hasn't claimed MORE stuff by now. Null until he says otherwise.



Gord you beautiful *******. Just because there's a backup certainly doesn't mean its definitely town.

In fact, allow me to suggest a new flavor for John.

Super Government Computers. Any of the three. You know, the ones who worked to overthrow Commander Stryker and take control of his stuff?

Or hell, what about that asian business man? He did the same damn ****.

John is still scum and we're still lynching him today, UNLESS JD has some crazy super compelling ****.
And we all suspect him heavily now for the current things he's done (or more accurately not done) with his ability to give objects.

I don't think that's coincidence. Thoughts from other people?
 

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Gorf isn't scum. If he does, his faction doesn't have a nk.

I would bet my life on it.

/investigative crumb
 

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Alright, we'll see what the others have to say about it as well. I suspect shenanigans from his slot.

/...uh... skeptical crumb? XP


You're the one most pushing Jupiter right now, so I don't want to take your word at face value just yet, it's not good policy.
 

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I'd also like to point out the eyepatch actually covers up Stryker from firing his lazer. If anything Glyph tried to block John's vig shot but wanted to sort of give the appearance that he was buffing him up if he was forced to claim.

It's like RR says. If he actually was trying to buff up John, draw him a gigashield or some ****. So scum.

So scum.
 

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I'd also like to point out the eyepatch actually covers up Stryker from firing his lazer. If anything Glyph tried to block John's vig shot but wanted to sort of give the appearance that he was buffing him up if he was forced to claim.

It's like RR says. If he actually was trying to buff up John, draw him a gigashield or some ****. So scum.

So scum.
I fully understand why Jupiter is very likely scum. But I don't want Gorf to just waltz away after acting so shady while we're all still kicking and can hash it out. (and we still definitely need to hear from Xonar etc.)

I have my misgivings because I keep thinking back to the part where Washed says if we followed straight flavor we'd get burned, but I'd be confident enough to call Jupiter the lynch today and not regret it should nothing come of Gorf discussion.
 

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aight well jtb is also scum so that should occupy us for at least two phases.

bed time now tired as ***
 

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That's a super interesting point though, I hadn't thought about the fact the drawing could easily be made out to represent blocking the eye laser.

My guess is if he's not a town inventor his role might fit as Super Computer. Like maybe he's supposed to be 'equipping' us with things that are harmful (like how they eventually send the Gigabot after a trapped mine etc.)


And I'll def. want to hear the JTB dissertation later then. He's pretty null from me and I'd love to hear it.
 
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