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Ohhhhhhhhh, gotcha! Makes so much sense! Not sure if that is what he brought that figure for, but hey, you never know.
This is official artwork from Super Mario RPG's official guide in Japan. If the render for it already existed in this guide, Sakurai wouldn't need the Vifam's rifle to create a potential render for it.
Oh cool more evidenceThis page right here has me 100% convinced Geno is in Ultimate.
If you guys remember a while back about the observation from JoeStronger about the Vifam figure's rifle being used, this page and the lack of the Geno Beam gun has me convinced thoroughly he will be in the game and we don't need any leaks for solid evidence to prove he's in. Sakurai clued us in all along.
Elaborate?This page right here has me 100% convinced Geno is in Ultimate.
If you guys remember a while back about the observation from JoeStronger about the Vifam figure's rifle being used, this page and the lack of the Geno Beam gun has me convinced thoroughly he will be in the game and we don't need any leaks for solid evidence to prove he's in. Sakurai clued us in all along.
If you want more elaboration on the Vifam thing,
Hey all. I've been stalking these forums for a while, but I've only now decided to make an account to show my support for Geno in Smash, and to share a bit of speculation on my part, some bad, but some good.
After yesterday's Smash Direct, I felt incredibly uneasy about Geno's chances in Ultimate after seeing the number of tracks for Final Fantasy: a measly two. It left a sinking feeling in my gut, because if even Konami could be generous enough to let 3 fighters (and 1 assist trophy) in so far, along with 34 music tracks from Castlevania, the apparent stinginess of Squeenix with just Final Fantasy made my heart sink a bit.
However, I also recently learned of a silver lining after reading around a bit more today: the mecha figure that Sakurai bought in 2016.
In an interview with Denfaminicogamer in December of 2016, Sakurai stated that he had recently bought a figure to use as reference for a new project he was working on, and this figure in question is actually of a very old school mech known as Vifam (not a Gundam, as some people incorrectly stated). However, what really set off the alarm in my head was when it stated he was only using the rifle as a reference. As soon as I found out about this, my inner mecha fanboy was fired up, and the gears started to turn, and it clicked.
This has to be for Geno, and here's my theory why. Vifam is a very old school mecha show, from 1983. It's rifle is a beam rifle, which is a standard thing in mecha, but Vifam's rifle is much simpler and rounder than one from a show like Gundam or Layzner from the same era. It's my theory that Sakurai is using Vifam's rifle as a reference for his team to base and model the laser for the Geno Beam attack, as the in game sprites themselves aren't very detailed, and there's no official art of the Beam in question; off the top of my head, there's only about 5 pieces of official art related to Geno that exist, and they're all of his weapons. Plus, the design of Vifam's rifle doesn't match up with the more machine gun looking arm cannon the Mii Gunner costume had.![]()
While some people say that he might be referencing the rifle for a character like something from Custom Robo or Elma from Xenoblade X, neither of these make much sense to me. For one, both characters have official art to reference if they were being modeled, and two, both of them use different styles of weapons compared to something like the rounder, old school beam rifle from Vifam: Custom Robo uses blockier, boxier weapons, and Elma uses more angular, sharper dual pistols.
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In addition, while the original Denfaminicogamer article didn't mention the project at all. I think there's pretty strong evidence it was related to Smash given the timing of the article. In a June 2018 interview article with Famitsu, Sakurai stated he put forth the first proposal for the game in December of 2015, and since the Denfaminicogamer interview was in December of 2016, I think it's within the realm of possibility that development of Smash Ultimate was already in full swing, and was probably still polishing out the roster.
Again, while yesterday's direct left me feeling a bit uneasy about Geno's chances due to the low FF Music, I feel a bit more confident in his inclusion as a playable character after I formulated my theory reading all of the above articles, and I'd figure it would be a good idea to share it with you all.
I'm gonna keep believing in him, with all my heart. Geno for Smash!
Forgot to add this
There's an interview where Sakurai actually states that he wants Geno to be a playable fighter, going on to say how popular he is regarding the amount of requests he receives to put him in the game.
Oh I know. I was just talking about the mech model speculation.
Jupp. Rainbow Geno would be lit.
It's not good reasoning at all. it's seeing and making connections in all the little places that can possibly do so, having to be taken far just so it fits. It's folly.
Smash misses a lot of oppertunities
It is good reasoning, using the Virum rifle for Geno Beam because it doesn't have an in-game render makes complete sense. I agree that it's stretching it because it's what we all want to believe (I'm not disputing that), but it's not like he spoke it into existence for "just because."
Sakurai and his team are so OCD about this stuff not to mention they are Nintendo employees; I would be shocked if he didn't.
You don't seem to realize just how narrow of a box you had to put your thoughts into in order for it to make sense? There are sooo many other explanations, and for it to make sense , it's def that you're seeing what you want to see. It's ok if you're having fun. but it's also either scary, sad, or funny.
I'm also wondering about stuff like the art of Geno, Mallow, Mario and Bowyer in Forest Maze.
That's what I said; I was asking if there were any other potential characters he could echo.
That was sort of my idea. It'd work best
Lucas has PK Freeze in Smash 4You should visit the Mallow thread
Are you thinking of PM?
I'm not pulling straws with my reasoning. If you want further proof, then please compare the opening of Vifam at the 1 minute 5 second mark of how the weapon works and Geno Beam from this gif. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qwszwb3aIPg&feature=youtu.be&t=1m2s
that's funny, I so never use that move I forgot it existed for a sec.
Well I'm entertaining it for fun (it's not like I live or die with Geno getting in). I'm just saying it's unnecessary to put down something just because "narrow of a box" the concept was came up in. I just think you're being a bit too condescending considering that this is a speculation thread.
I honestly can't see them making echo fighters out of characters from different universes. I don't know why, but I can't see them taking a Mallow for example and making him an echo from a Mother character. It just doesn't make sense to me. I certainly can be wrong, but I honestly think they'll try to keep them within the same franchise. But I would be thrilled if Mallow made it in alongside Geno.
Same for those who say that Giygas should echo Mewtwo lol.
The toughest thing would be to see Mallow jump like that; I know they are doing semi-clones or whatever (and could just replace the jump with something else), but I honestly don't think he's established enough for them to bother.
What about Ganon and Falcon?
Yeah, I don't see a fit at all. Even if he were to get in as an echo, I can't see a fit. He's the type I think he would need to be unique, and I just don't think we'd get him. I think I'll have to take a look at his video.
You got me there. However, I think this is the exception to the rule. I still don't know why they decided to make Ganondorf a clone of Falcon. But you make a good point, it's certainly possible. I just think so far what we've seen in Ultimate are almost carbon copies.
That's what I mean by pulling at straws. the connection is the beam. That's all it is, a beam. They both have beams. It's a model he can be using for anything, and you want to make the connection with Geno because they both have beams. And because there isn't artwork, which anyway wouldn't give much more than what's in game.
Well, I'm not trying to be. It was funny at first when I wasn't sure about it. The thing is this kind of thinking is dangerous, actually. I'm more concerned for yous now than anything. I'm being honest, too, but I can only chime in my opinion. I'll leave you to speculate and have fun doing so now.
And to counter that arguement. If the gun was meant for a character like Elma who already has a mech, why would he need to buy a Vifam figure for the gun when he could just ask to use the models and artwork from the development team of Xenoblade Chronicles X?
I'm sure you mean your statements in good faith so I'll drop it as well. It's not like I disagree that it's pulling at straws. I just wanted to state the thought process was worth entertaining.
