Mario Universe General Super Mario Discussion Thread - "It'sa Me, Mario!"

[lordvaati]

anyone see a Sunshine remake in 2012?

 

[UberMario]

For the 3DS? Most likely.

 

[Mr.Freeman]

Mario's got his own section? Cool.

Sunshine remake? I'd like to see that.

 

[Terywj [태리]]

Sunshine remake might pique my interest.

However, if it were to be for the 3DS, it already would.

-Terywj

 

[BSP]

Hey guys, does the Mario universe include the Wario universe? Can we talk about Wario games here?

 

[§leepy God]

♪ Wario is a Mario character, but I think we can go as far as Wario Land and not Warioware. †

 

[Spire]

Wario, Yoshi, and DK

Are all part of the Marioverse. Feel free to discuss them all in this room!

 

[UberMario]

What about games with Mario as a side star? Such as the Game & Watch Gallery series, Pinball NES, Mario & Sonic, or Itadaki Street DS?

 

[Spire]

I suppose.. though I'd rather them be confined in a thread specific for Mario guest appearance games.

And no, I doubt there will ever be a Sunshine remake. Look at how Nintendo is constantly trying to reinvent the 3D Mario games as differently from the previous subseries (considering Mario 64/64DS, Sunshine, and SMG/SMG2 three different subseries) as possible. Perhaps they'll bring the FLUDD back in the future, but a Sunshine remake is highly unlikely. I'd rather the next 3D Mario subseries be based in some prehistoric Yoshi land with abominable Yoshi-like dinosaurs and such. I do like Sunshine very much though, in case I came off opposed to it.

Personally, I want to see a 3D Mario/DK game in lieu of Sonic Adventure 2 where you get to play as either: Mario and DK, or Mario, Luigi, Peach, and Donkey Kong, Diddy Kong, and Dixie Kong. A Bowser/K. Rool villain tagteam would be awesome, and throw Wario/Waluigi in as equivalents to the two goons from Power Rangers and you've got yourself an awesome game.

 

[Bowser King]

Not sure about G&W gallery or itadaki Street DS but Mario and Sonic should be fine.

 

[Beware the Jabberwocky]

mmm, I'm not sure if Donkey Kong counts as a "Mario" game. He really branched off from the Mario series and was in many games that had nothing to do with Mario. The only connection Donkey Kong has to Mario is in Mario Kart/Party games.


Ok, so I bought Paper Mario. So far, it's fabulous! Loving every second of it.

 

[Bowser King]

Personally, I want to see a 3D Mario/DK game in lieu of Sonic Adventure 2 where you get to play as either: Mario and DK, or Mario, Luigi, Peach, and Donkey Kong, Diddy Kong, and Dixie Kong. A Bowser/K. Rool villain tagteam would be awesome, and throw Wario/Waluigi in as equivalents to the two goons from Power Rangers and you've got yourself an awesome game.

That's such an amazing concept. SA2 was my favourite 3D sonic game and the idea would fit so well with Mario. However, I really don't know how the game would play out. With sonic, you can create a linear stage and focus on it and the story. With mario, a not so linear or story based series, it would take a lot of creative thinking to get right.

 

[Spire]

Well technically Mario branched off from the Donkey Kong series..

 

[Beware the Jabberwocky]

Well technically Mario branched off from the Donkey Kong series..

... lol, yeah. Yeah, thats true.

 

[ranmaru]

I personally would like a 2D Mario game, with classic features and even some new ones. Although, I'd rather not have a bee costume, but meh, I can manage.

 

[Yink]

Sorry cool cats, I've been a bit inactive because I'm dealing with health problems. I'll be more active on Thursday or Friday.

Until then, toodles.

Also, yes, another new 2D mario game would be pretty nice in my opinion.

 

[Terywj [태리]]

Ok, so I bought Paper Mario. So far, it's fabulous! Loving every second of it.

As in Paper Mario for the Virtual Console? Isn't it awesome! I loved the nostalgia of basically every moment of the game. But I still liked Paper Mario TTYD moreso.

-Terywj

 

[Beware the Jabberwocky]

As in Paper Mario for the Virtual Console? Isn't it awesome! I loved the nostalgia of basically every moment of the game. But I still liked Paper Mario TTYD moreso.

-Terywj

I am planning on buying TTYD after I finish the one I'm on. But I dont know where they sell it...

 

[Terywj [태리]]

Ehh. Good luck, doubt you'll find it anywhere. Perhaps you could try asking around or ordering online?

-Terywj

 

[BSP]

I am planning on buying TTYD after I finish the one I'm on. But I dont know where they sell it...

Hard to find now, but you need to try. PM: TTYD was simply amazing.

 

[UberMario]

I am planning on buying TTYD after I finish the one I'm on. But I dont know where they sell it...

There are a lot of them cheap on eBay, I just looked and there's a sealed one going for $5 and it only has a day left, and most seem to be under $15.

 

[Yink]

Hey Uber, how's the timeline going? I'm like a little kid right now, I'm so excited for it.

 

[Bowser King]

Yeah, I'm interested to see how its come along. It should be interesting to see if we can actually make a timeline out of mario games

 

[Lord Viper]

☆ I'm still confused on when Super Mario Land 2 time line is placed, was it before or after Super Mario World.... @_@ ☆

 

[Spire]

Is it possible that because Super Mario Galaxy's epilogue completely recycles and reforms the universe (essentially splitting the timeline, just as OoT did for Zelda), that the games could potentially follow after it?

 

[Yink]

All I know is that somewhere on the timeline, (after discussions with a friend and major thinking about it)...I think Luigi's Mansion needs to come VERY soon after Sunshine.

I'll explain why if anyone wants to know.

 

[UberMario]

I'll reveal the first portion later this week.

Should I do it here or make a new topic?

 

[Yink]

I think it's big enough to deserve its own topic myself, but ultimately this is your call Uber.

 

[finalark]

I was wondering if the timeline thing ever picked up. Guess it did... I personally think that it should have it's own thread. But as Yink said, it's Uber's call.

 

[Phantom7]

There's no way Mario could have its own timeline. Maybe you could place a few in order, like Yoshi's Island, Yoshi's Island 2, and whatever comes after that, but ultimately, there are far too many games that are irrelevant to any kind of progressive story. In fact, nearly all of them are.

 

[ranmaru]

Surely there could be a way to make them seem relevant, haha. Although yoshi's island 2 and super mario world do contradict each other. Mario meets baby yoshi, but in yoshi's island a group of already grown island yoshi's find baby mario. Well, all I could think of is that that group could have been the original yoshi's (meaning the first ones mario ever saw) and that maybe the yoshi in smw was the second. Meaning yoshi isn't just ONE dinosaur, but thousands, or hundreds, or just a few.

 

[UberMario]

"Hooray! Thank you for rescuing me. My name is Yoshi. On my way to rescue my friends, Bowser trapped me in that egg." -Super Mario World

1, he's full grown at hatching, and 2, this does not imply that they met before nor does it refute it, since Yoshi is the name of the race aswell. And . . . .

"Welcome to Yoshi's Island, where all the Yoshis live." -Super Mario World 2: Yoshi's Island.

Proves they all go by the name Yoshi except for Boshi and the one from Paper Mario: The Thousand Year Door.

And Phantom, that's the fun of making timelines, no two are perfectly the same, besides, LoZ fans do it even though Twilight Princess is basically on an alternate time line from the rest of most of the games, they figure out a way around it.

 

[Phantom7]

Well, actually, there are many Yoshis, and that should be obvious just by playing some of the games that feature Yoshi, like Super Mario World, Super Mario Sunshine, or even Yoshi's Story (even though I don't think it actually counts as a Mario title).

But really, the Mario series has too many contradictions and simply can't be put together to form a logical, agreeable timeline.

 

[Metal~Mario]

^Agreed.

Mario's all over the place when it comes to timelines.

 

[Yink]

Saying something can't have a timeline is ridiculous. While there isn't a direct timeline (of course not, they would've specifically told us there was one) there are fan-made ones all the time. I have a good example. MOTHER games do NOT follow a specific timelines, but through a lot of research and playing the games many times they can be linked in a different timeline. Not a definite one, but it gives a sense of who came before what.

While not every game is going to be placed in the Mario timeline (I'd guess anyways) you can still conjure up what goes first and what should probably come last and then just fill things in for the inbetween. No one's saying this timeline is "absolute", we're just trying to get a little fun out of what games "CAN" be.

 

[Spire]

Well, actually, there are many Yoshis, and that should be obvious just by playing some of the games that feature Yoshi, like Super Mario World, Super Mario Sunshine, or even Yoshi's Story (even though I don't think it actually counts as a Mario title).

But really, the Mario series has too many contradictions and simply can't be put together to form a logical, agreeable timeline.

You of all people should know about the inconsistency-timeline relationship. You've dabbled a lot in Zelda timeline theorizing, but when have any of us, no, when has anyone ever come up with a flawless timeline? Never. With that being said, why make a timeline if it's to be flawed? Because: fans like to make sense out of their beloved series, searching even for the smallest tidbits of continuity. Mario has it, Zelda, has it, Pokemon has it, yet, the series are comprised of all these individual tales, not a group of stories written for the sole purpose of being connected with one another. Go read LotR for that, not Zelda.

 

[Bowser King]

I completely agree with the above 2 posts. Just about everyone who posts in the mario timeline thread knows that miyamoto didn't organize the games in any specific order beyond the things mentioned directly in-game (eg. Mario and Luigi games follow a certain order).

That doesn't mean though that we, as fans, cant try to compose our own timeline from the information we have. That's the things we do for our enjoyment. We look beyond what the games were intended to be and search deeper.

 

[Beware the Jabberwocky]

Lore-wise, Mario is lacking there-of. The world of Mario has no set land-masses or countries. It has no boundaries and no law. It grows and shrinks at the will of the creators. What Mario has, however, are guidelines. Goombas are always the weakest enemies, koopas always drop shells, Bowser is always evil, Princess Peach always gets kidnapped, and ALWAYS is the princess in another castle. Some spin-off games dabble with these guidelines, but the main games never change these formulas.

Lore-wise, Zelda is also very lacking. The world of Hyrule has no set land-mass. It fluctuates from game to game. And when you think that Hyrule is the extent of the world, in pops Termina, or Holodrum, etc etc. The world of Zelda grows and shrinks at the will of the creators. What Zelda has are guidelines. Link is the good guy, and Ganon is the bad guy, and in order to defeat Ganon, you must travel to the temples to find the power to kill him. The formula never changes.


These games are based on gameplay, not on story. What lore and story there is in these two games are created by the fans, not the creators. Arguing which game should or shouldnt have a fan-created timeline is futile and tactless on either side of the argument.

 

[Luigitoilet]

Lore-wise, Zelda is also very lacking. The world of Hyrule has no set land-mass. It fluctuates from game to game. And when you think that Hyrule is the extent of the world, in pops Termina, or Holodrum, etc etc. The world of Zelda grows and shrinks at the will of the creators. What Zelda has are guidelines. Link is the good guy, and Ganon is the bad guy, and in order to defeat Ganon, you must travel to the temples to find the power to kill him. The formula never changes.


These games are based on gameplay, not on story. What lore and story there is in these two games are created by the fans, not the creators. Arguing which game should or shouldnt have a fan-created timeline is futile and tactless on either side of the argument.

I agree wholeheartedly with your general point but Termina isn't another country or landmass. It's in an alternate reality altogether.

And the formula has changed. Majora's Mask most notably, and Link's Awakening have nothing to do with Zelda or Ganon.

 

[Beware the Jabberwocky]

I agree wholeheartedly with your general point but Termina isn't another country or landmass. It's in an alternate reality altogether.

And the formula has changed. Majora's Mask most notably, and Link's Awakening have nothing to do with Zelda or Ganon.

My point being is that there is more to the world of Zelda than just Hyrule. It infinitely grows at the will of the creators. And even though Ganon and Zelda isnt in Link's Awakening, the goal stays very much the same: travel to the temples to find the items that will help you destroy the evil.