Ganondorfs Missed tech Flame Choke followups list

[TheOrangeJacket]

TheOrangeJacket submitted a new guide:

Ganondorfs Missed tech Flame Choke followups list - Ganondorf flame choke follow ups

This list is for V1.0.8. It still needs more testing to confirm if D-smash has more targets.


You CAN NOT follow up with these characters:






You can JAB only:



You can D-Tilt only:



You can D-Tilt and F-Tilt these characters:

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[Didier337]

I did more testing on Ganon's Flame Choke and I found this interesting:
Side-B -> Up-Smash
and
Side-B -> F-Smash(Downward)
are both true combos on most likely everyone(exception is because I haven't bought them to test on,works on everyone else) ,If not teched of course.

Timing is VERY STRICT but it is possible and worth it dealing 33%(Up-smash) and 36%(F-smash)

*Note:
37%(Up-smash) and 41%(F-smash) on

Tested on Smash 4 3Ds V1.0.8

 

[Scarlet Jile]

I did more testing on Ganon's Flame Choke and I found this interesting:
Side-B -> Up-Smash
and
Side-B -> F-Smash(Downward)
are both true combos on most likely everyone(exception is because I haven't bought them to test on,works on everyone else) ,If not teched of course.

Timing is VERY STRICT but it is possible and worth it dealing 33%(Up-smash) and 36%(F-smash)

*Note:
37%(Up-smash) and 41%(F-smash) on

Tested on Smash 4 3Ds V1.0.8

Don't play with my heart, Padre.

 

[Didier337]

Don't play with my heart, Padre.

It was in training,I have been trying live subjects but lag makes it very difficult.3Ds no less

 

[Didier337]

Don't play with my heart, Padre.

Unfortunatly,After hours of trying,I just discovered even though it's considered a "true combo" it doesn't work.The Data is false and the same shenanigans with grab releasing off the stage and following up.

 

[Scarlet Jile]

Unfortunatly,After hours of trying,I just discovered even though it's considered a "true combo" it doesn't work.The Data is false and the same shenanigans with grab releasing off the stage and following up.

I was 99% sure this was the case, but thanks for doing your due diligence and following up.

 

[adom4]

Just want to add that Mewtwo, the Miis, Bowser & Little mac are all hit by D-tilt if they tech roll away from Ganon and that Olimar can be hit by D-smash ONLY if Ganon doesn't have any pikmin on him, same goes for Dark fists on Olimar.

 

[krazyzyko]

I think you can catch tech roll away with wizards foot vs every character. I haven't tested them all but it works on sheik who has a pretty long one. It's hard to do it on reaction though.

 

[jmanup85]

I think you can catch tech roll away with wizards foot vs every character. I haven't tested them all but it works on sheik who has a pretty long one. It's hard to do it on reaction though.

Zelda has the best tech roll I've seen in the game and it doesn't work on her. She can shield before wizkick reaches her.

 

[krazyzyko]

Zelda has the best tech roll I've seen in the game and it doesn't work on her. She can shield before wizkick reaches her.

My B. Good to know.

 

[TheOrangeJacket]

TheOrangeJacket updated Ganondorfs Missed tech Flame Choke followups list with a new update entry:

Update 1.1.3 Released

-Cloud does not have any guaranteed follow ups from a missed tech.
-Flame Choke lost its blind spot so it can now catch characters like crouching kirby.

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[TheOrangeJacket]

TheOrangeJacket updated Ganondorfs Missed tech Flame Choke followups list with a new update entry:

Update 1.1.4 Released

New information and section added

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[samalamma708]

I haven't gotten to test this out yet myself but this video seems to indicate that you can catch the roll away with a running SH fair. Looks incredibly useful for killing as well, which is nice considering the roll away was listed as the least punishable option.

 

[Dark Phazon]

That Montage though......

 

[TheOrangeJacket]

I haven't gotten to test this out yet myself but this video seems to indicate that you can catch the roll away with a running SH fair. Looks incredibly useful for killing as well, which is nice considering the roll away was listed as the least punishable option.

First off i'd like to say i had no idea this discussion section existed so i apologise for not responding to anyone. Also you are correct, SH F-air does hit everyone but it doesn't kill nearly as fast as the reverse F-Smash so i didn't bother to include it. Also running reverse F-tilt is also able to hit everyone. So if you wanted to cover the roll towards ganon"option but be safe it's better to F-tilt or flame choke than SH F-air because the SH F-air can be punished easier.

TL;DR:
Running reverse f-tilt, and SH F-air hit all characters that roll towards ganon but they aren't as good as other options.

 

[samalamma708]

TL;DR:
Running reverse f-tilt, and SH F-air hit all characters that roll towards ganon but they aren't as good as other options.

I was referring to covering the roll AWAY with SH fair, not the roll towards. I've since tested it and it works against standard rolls but not tech rolls. The timing is a bit tricky to pull off though.

 

[TheOrangeJacket]

I was referring to covering the roll AWAY with SH fair, not the roll towards. I've since tested it and it works against standard rolls but not tech rolls. The timing is a bit tricky to pull off though.

Oh crap I'm so sorry i totally misread it. But yeah thanks very much for pointing this out I'll be testing the frame data on it later tonight and post my results once it's conclusive.

 

[TheOrangeJacket]

Thanks jmanup85 for pointing out that Zelda cannot be hit by wizard foor. I went back and did more research and discovered that 7 characters cannot be hit by anything if they tech roll away which are link, falco, ike, palutena, wft, zelda, bayonetta. Little mac has a really weird roll so if you wizard foot immediately you will miss him, so you would have to wait to catch him but little mac can be hit by D-tilt and flame choke so they are better options than wizard kick.