Ganondorf 2.1-3.0 Video Archive [Closed]

[CORY]

another general thing that dfw does is:

when you know the ness is going up for a full jump-pk fire, run yourself straight underneath him and do whatever you want. this isn't as feasible for dorf, but there're likely a few angle/distance comboes that you can use the strat with.

 

[teluoborg]

Yo Ace you're gonna have to stop this bad habit to go to the ledge as soon as your opponent respawns, the ledge is a pretty bad place to be as Ganon (right ? or maybe my ledge game is just bad, idk). Also you know you can cg Roy to death ? If he starts DIing behind you just JC grab him, it works and when he reaches 80-ish% end his misery with a Dthrow>Fsmash.

As for edgeguarding tips against Roy : SH offstage, Dair so that the hitbox comes out a little under ledge level. Works for Link too.

 

[Scuba Steve]

Yo Ace you're gonna have to stop this bad habit to go to the ledge as soon as your opponent respawns, the ledge is a pretty bad place to be as Ganon (right ? or maybe my ledge game is just bad, idk). Also you know you can cg Roy to death ? If he starts DIing behind you just JC grab him, it works and when he reaches 80-ish% end his misery with a Dthrow>Fsmash.

As for edgeguarding tips against Roy : SH offstage, Dair so that the hitbox comes out a little under ledge level. Works for Link too.

Ganon seems to have pretty decent planking ability from what I've seen and he's got a pretty decent waveland onto stage once he's waited out the invincibility.

Edit: Now that I think about it, I'm pretty sure that Ganon can even Haxdash. Ganon's got a solid defensive game on the ledge.

 

[teluoborg]

The heck is a Haxdash.

 

[Scuba Steve]

The heck is a Haxdash.

A pretty technically demanding advanced technique frequently used by Hax back in his Falcon days. Basically you ledgehop onto the stage, waveland backwards, fastfall, and grab the ledge. If done right, you can actually be invincible for the entirety of the maneuver. Useful in waiting for an opening to get up from the ledge, since your opponent doesn't really have any way of knowing when you're actually coming on stage or when you're simply stalling. I THINK Ganon is capable of it, but I'm not 100% sure.

 

[teluoborg]

Oh yeah that's the reverse ledge dash Wanted was talking about in the meta thread. I've been practicing it this week end and it looks like it works.

 

[Ace55]

Yo Ace you're gonna have to stop this bad habit to go to the ledge as soon as your opponent respawns, the ledge is a pretty bad place to be as Ganon (right ? or maybe my ledge game is just bad, idk). Also you know you can cg Roy to death ? If he starts DIing behind you just JC grab him, it works and when he reaches 80-ish% end his misery with a Dthrow>Fsmash.

As for edgeguarding tips against Roy : SH offstage, Dair so that the hitbox comes out a little under ledge level. Works for Link too.

I'd say his ledgegame is decent but it's definitely a bad habit that I need to change.

I know you can CG Roy really hard but I didn't think it would make for fun matches. In tournament it's a different case.

 

[Scuba Steve]

So at the weekly that I go to, one of the guys just got a capture device and we plan on recording the finals as well as some matches later in the bracket. If I don't play like butt, I should be able to get some matches up pretty soon. Also Sethlon is coming to our weekly next week and I'll try and see if I can get a match with him recorded, so my weaknesses are as exposed as possible.

 

[Hungry Headcrab]

Here are some videos of me from the last GameClucks:

vs The Prime: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EthekZyBous
vs #FreeToby: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KR8Dq7mApYY

I honestly don't feel great about either match, and I still feel like I don't play nearly in well in bracket as I do in friendlies. Anyway, enough Johns.

Any critiques would be greatly appreciated.

 

[Scuba Steve]

Ended up getting 2nd, so I've got video for all of y'all to tear apart my lackluster Ganon as soon as it gets uploaded.

 

[j-slo-3]

Here is a set of mine with Strongbad
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b5NopsPlOf4&index=9&list=FL5cJsJuOSP6C8zUCTwhVu1g

 

[Spralwers]

At the most recent weekly, we had 18 matches on stream, and 6 of them had Ganondorfs! Such stomp. Many punch. Very purple fire. Mega bus. Wow.

Me:
Vs Poob's DK (Winners)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-tCDvh3XO9M&index=6&list=PLAIIMiVssmgpZgpf5J3J0fyFKEuh1I_JM

Vs Poob's DK again (Losers)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h3D9hIBIiOo&list=PLAIIMiVssmgpZgpf5J3J0fyFKEuh1I_JM&index=16

Vs Risky's Lucario, Snake
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FV8WpnR2NqU&list=PLAIIMiVssmgpZgpf5J3J0fyFKEuh1I_JM&index=13

Secret Sauce:
Vs Sol's Link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5IA728edX-o&list=PLAIIMiVssmgpZgpf5J3J0fyFKEuh1I_JM&index=5

Vs KoreanDJ's Zelda
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JqzWR4-qPA4&list=PLAIIMiVssmgpZgpf5J3J0fyFKEuh1I_JM&index=10

Vs Wolf's Link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-FugIHWEkm0&list=PLAIIMiVssmgpZgpf5J3J0fyFKEuh1I_JM&index=15

In particular, I'm most proud of my match with Risky. DK is a really hard match up for Ganon. DK basically has Ganon's strength, but with also the mobility and grab range we wish we had ): but I've got some ideas.

 

[Bazkip]

In particular, I'm most proud of my match with Risky

I can see why.

 

[Scuba Steve]

Ledge cancelled down-b's so sexy

Also, why are you taking Poob to FD for every first game? I can see that Ganon has a chaingrab on DK, but from my experience from playing DK, FD is seriously a DK player's favorite stage. DK benefits from it way more. DK has much more space to use his better mobility and while Ganon has a chaingrab, DK has full access to almost his entire arsenal of grab combos.

 

[Spralwers]

Never thought about that. Good advice ^^

 

[ShadowGanon]

@ Spralwers , several times when your opponent got stuck on a platform you just u-aired him. This isn't all that bad (In some situations it might even be the best option), but I feel like there are better things you could have done. For example, when you play on PS2, an aerial side-b would have covered the entire platform and would have combo-ed into way more. Not to mention it just gives you that satisfying feeling you get when you shove someones face into the ground . The only thing you have to worry about when using the side-b instead, though, is get up attacks. I'm pretty sure they'll hit you out of it.

 

[Scuba Steve]

@ Spralwers , several times when your opponent got stuck on a platform you just u-aired him. This isn't all that bad (In some situations it might even be the best option), but I feel like there are better things you could have done. For example, when you play on PS2, an aerial side-b would have covered the entire platform and would have combo-ed into way more. Not to mention it just gives you that satisfying feeling you get when you shove someones face into the ground . The only thing you have to worry about when using the side-b instead, though, is get up attacks. I'm pretty sure they'll hit you out of it.

That's like maaaaad risky, though. Aerial side-b is super punishable and basically turns a situation that is really in Ganon's favor against him, if you miss.

 

[ShadowGanon]

That's like maaaaad risky, though. Aerial side-b is super punishable and basically turns a situation that is really in Ganon's favor against him, if you miss.

I like risky...

It's on a platform, though. So it's going to be pretty hard to miss. And, if I didn't specify, I meant when they were lying down on the platform as if they just DI-ed to the platform from being hit/chain-grabbed.

 

[Spralwers]

I noticed that I always go for up air. I usually do it out of comfort as the safest option. Every time I watch a match vid I realize I need to expand. The situation occurs very often because people will DI from dthrow upwards into a platform, or a grounded side b will cause the opponent to land on the platform.

For smaller platforms, like PS2 and Green Hill, I need to make a better habit of wave landing onto the platforms and going to a grab. 9 times out of 10 I have enough time to do it (100% of the time if the opponent tries to DI a downthrow onto a platform) and the punish reward skyrockets immensely. Aerial Side B is good as well if the opponent has a habit of always teching.

Also, if you're very good with your spacing, you could edge cancel the landing frames of aerial side B. Pretty sure that works.

 

[Scuba Steve]

Videos got uploaded. I don't really like how I played at all in winner's and loser's finals, felt really slow and like I was making a bunch of dumb mistakes. I felt like I really started to hit my stride when grand finals rolled around, though. I felt like most of my stuff was on point, my movement was good, and that's when I played my best.

Winner's Finals
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kWaHC-O8DLM

Loser's Finals
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nrHFlI4vpMk

Grand Finals
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9U8OrbtSCwY

 

[Bazkip]

Videos got uploaded. I don't really like how I played at all in winner's and loser's finals, felt really slow and like I was making a bunch of dumb mistakes. I felt like I really started to hit my stride when grand finals rolled around, though. I felt like most of my stuff was on point, my movement was good, and that's when I played my best.

Winner's Finals
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kWaHC-O8DLM

Loser's Finals
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nrHFlI4vpMk

Grand Finals
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9U8OrbtSCwY

Didn't watch any in full but I saw a lot of unsafe Flame Chokes from you, it's really not something you want to just be throwing out. You got punished for it a lot.
You also need to respect Roy's space, there were a couple times where you rolled behind him and ate it because you were still in range.

Though good stuff getting second place.

 

[Scuba Steve]

Didn't watch any in full but I saw a lot of unsafe Flame Chokes from you, it's really not something you want to just be throwing out. You got punished for it a lot.
You also need to respect Roy's space, there were a couple times where you rolled behind him and ate it because you were still in range.

Though good stuff getting second place.

Yeah, I get into a lot of trouble with the flamechokes at times. I get used to using them in bad positions because I can abuse them earlier in bracket, but when I get to the better players, they just avoid it and get easy punishes. It's been something I've been working on. I'm trying to limit my use of it to punishing landing lag on sloppy approaches and comboing into it.

 

[leelue]

I like risky...

It's on a platform, though. So it's going to be pretty hard to miss. And, if I didn't specify, I meant when they were lying down on the platform as if they just DI-ed to the platform from being hit/chain-grabbed.

Your opponents should consider waiting you out. Setting up for a platform covering side b is somewhat telegraphed.

 

[Scuba Steve]

Sadly, I didn't make it to grand finals this time, so I couldn't end up getting any video of me against Sethlon. I did actually play him in a few friendlies and took a game off of him. Got my butt thoroughly handed to me every other time, though. I have my matches from Loser's Semis and Loser's Finals recorded, but I'm just waiting until they're uploaded. Forewarning, Loser's Semis might possibly be the silliest set that I've ever had the displeasure of playing.

Edit:
So "due to super ultra mega lameness campyness" the guy who uploads the tournament videos decided to not upload Loser's semis because the set took forever and would have taken forever to upload.

Here's Loser's Finals
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dQIqpnlJRRM

It's not Sethlon's Roy, but he still gives me da bidness. Forreal though, look at that punish at 1:07. He converts one grab into like 90%. Sickening.

 

[Ace55]

Set vs Anne's Marth:

Trying to force edgecanceled downB into my game lol. I'll get the hang of it eventually.

 

[ShadowGanon]

Edit:
So "due to super ultra mega lameness campyness" the guy who uploads the tournament videos decided to not upload Loser's semis because the set took forever and would have taken forever to upload.

Here's Loser's Finals
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dQIqpnlJRRM

It's not Sethlon's Roy, but he still gives me da bidness. Forreal though, look at that punish at 1:07. He converts one grab into like 90%. Sickening.

Here are a few things I noticed:
1. On the first match on Battlefield, you used the same ledge option every time (edge hop -> wavedash -> roll) and got punished for it. You could have done five million different things after the wavedash like, jab, f-tilt, grab, or flame choked; but you used the same option every time.
2. There were several time when you grabbed Roy and you re-grabbed him only once. You should be chain grabbing that boy to oblivion. Make him taste the floor with his face.
3. Never try to gimp Roy with a d-air. You have a 1 in a 1,000 chance of ever hitting him out of his Blazer. Instead, try standing by the edge (making him think he can hit you with his recovery) wavedash/walk away from the edge, and give him the proper punish for thinking he could hit you with that little sword (Most of the time a b-air will do the trick). Side note: Roys are really bad at sweat spotting the ledge.
4. Roy ALWAYS wins in a CC battle.
5. Though really good when landed, Flame Choke is probably one of the most punishable ledge options when it misses.
6. That Flaming Meteor/Suicide Flare Blade looked like it hurt...

That's about everything I could get out of those matches. You did better than I would have done by far.

 

[ShadowGanon]

Set vs Anne's Marth:

Trying to force edgecanceled downB into my game lol. I'll get the hang of it eventually.

Things I noticed:
1. Those wavelands were beautiful.

2. Would someone PLEASE teach that Marth to dash dance and use grabs more often?
3. That up-b stage spike was outraaaageous.
4. I couldn't find anything wrong with your playing... You wrecked that Marth so much...

 

[Ace55]

Things I noticed:
1. Those wavelands were beautiful.
2. Would someone PLEASE teach that Marth to dash dance and use grabs more often?
3. That up-b stage spike was outraaaageous.
4. I couldn't find anything wrong with your playing... You wrecked that Marth so much...

1. Thanks, they're basically straight from Melee but I love that I can now use them to spook someone into shielding and then grab them with side-b.
2. The Marth is pretty old-skool, hadn't seen him in years.
3. I'm pretty sure he didn't realize you could get grabbed from the ledge in PM.
4. My conversions can still use some serious work, and I need to be less predictable when trying to get off the ledge.

I wish I had a set from further into the bracket but this was the only time I used Ganon at the tourney.

 

[CORY]

there were one or two instances you could've almost guaranteed a stock out of aerial chokeslam with a wizkick, since marth should bounce high enough to guarantee it (i could be wrong?).

otherwise, you have good self control in neutral and didn't do anything outright risky, for the most part (other than what looked like minor showboating near the end when you had complete control over the game : p)

 

[Yanoss1313]

Here are some videos of me from the last GameClucks:

vs The Prime: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EthekZyBous
vs #FreeToby: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KR8Dq7mApYY

I honestly don't feel great about either match, and I still feel like I don't play nearly in well in bracket as I do in friendlies. Anyway, enough Johns.

Any critiques would be greatly appreciated.

you were looking pretty slick in that game 2 against Andy though

 

[Ace55]

there were one or two instances you could've almost guaranteed a stock out of aerial chokeslam with a wizkick, since marth should bounce high enough to guarantee it (i could be wrong?).

otherwise, you have good self control in neutral and didn't do anything outright risky, for the most part (other than what looked like minor showboating near the end when you had complete control over the game : p)

Just tried the chokeslam to downB in training mode but can't get it to connect. The only things I seem to be able to get out of it are jab, grab or angled down sparta kick (which the cpu keeps teching lmao). Grab should ensure the stock pretty easily but I'm not sure if you can get it if they DI away.

In other news, aerial chokeslam counts as 7 consecutive attacks .

 

[Ace55]

My bad.

10mybads

 

[CORY]

Just tried the chokeslam to downB in training mode but can't get it to connect. The only things I seem to be able to get out of it are jab, grab or angled down sparta kick (which the cpu keeps teching lmao). Grab should ensure the stock pretty easily but I'm not sure if you can get it if they DI away.

In other news, aerial chokeslam counts as 7 consecutive attacks .

ah, i don't have my wii hooked up, so i was going off of how high it looked like he bounced. my apologies : o

 

[Hungry Headcrab]

Alrighty, here are my NWM VI videos

vs. Oreo: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OlslrVFAWlU
vs. SFAT: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YINZZm5wjXI

Any critique would be greatly appreciated.

 

[j-slo-3]

money match with M2k. Game one was kinda meh, but I played well game 2
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zevl11SbaKg

 

[MerzA]

Finally getting some videos uploaded, looking for some critique.

vs Oven (Tink, Zard, Yoshi) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sgz0QTICUXI <- Really tight set, one of my favorites
vs M2k (Fox) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6gxpuRvWx5M <- Got bodied
vs Samn (Squirtle, Samus) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nKrZoIRuz8c <- Need lots of help with both of these matchups
vs AlbobDS (Marth) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-W3_Ihw95dE <- DESTRUCTIONNNN
vs Hyldago (Lucas, Zard) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3JV67ICl-94 <- Tight set, need help with the Lucas matchup
vs Tetraflora (Kirby) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o1vIt7-HxiQ <- This guy is too damn good

 

[ShadowGanon]

Alrighty, here are my NWM VI videos

vs. Oreo: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OlslrVFAWlU
vs. SFAT: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YINZZm5wjXI

Any critique would be greatly appreciated.

Vs. Oreo:
1. Dang. That edge-canceled Wiz Kick -> falling u-air was sick.
2. A DACUS tech chase? That was beautiful. So much disrespect. If only it had connected...
3. At about 6:03 when you empty hopped over his shield, were you trying to footstool him? Because that would have been awesome. (Grounded, short hopped footstool into d-air is a thing)
Vs. SFAT:
1. You needed to take advantage of your powershielding more. There were many times where you powershielded his lasers and didn't get anything from it. (The commentators say a few things too).

I would probably have more to tell you if I wasn't sick/tired and watched the videos a few more times, but I'm lazy. Lol. From what I can see, though, you're game play is pretty solid. Certainly did better than I could have done.

 

[Bazkip]

Alrighty, here are my NWM VI videos

vs. Oreo: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OlslrVFAWlU
vs. SFAT: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YINZZm5wjXI

Any critique would be greatly appreciated.

Ganoncide 2scary the video couldn't handle it
Though seriously what happened there, don't recall that skip happening on stream

Anywho, the commentators mostly covered any of the mistakes or problems in your matches.
You Wizard Footed onto the stage a couple of time randomly, which is never a good idea unless you're ledge-cancelling it, or you know for certain you're gonna hit them cause you're right on top of them.
You also started using a bunch of fsmashes at one point, which, as the commentators pointed out, doesn't kill till really late. imo it's a just not worth using.
Also get your teching down, those missed techs costed you a lot.

money match with M2k. Game one was kinda meh, but I played well game 2
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zevl11SbaKg

Dat Samurai Champloo music on FD
Also dat wall/ledge tech, what even is physics

 

[Hungry Headcrab]

Ha, I don't think I've ever actually meant to use an f-smash in a game, aside from when I tried to convert it off of d-throw for no good reason. Sometimes it'll land, but it's almost never worth it unless it can kill, and good luck killing a Spacie with it.

 

[BladeOFLucas]

Ha, I don't think I've ever actually meant to use an f-smash in a game, aside from when I tried to convert it off of d-throw for no good reason. Sometimes it'll land, but it's almost never worth it unless it can kill, and good luck killing a Spacie with it.

Amen, brother.