Galaxy Outage/Chicago Server?

[firo]

If you have been on The Galaxy recently, you've been noticing how it has been going down frequently or is lagging a bit more than usual.

I have spoken to the server guys and they said that they will be replacing some hardware on the server and should have the issues sorted out by next week. Maybe we will see better results then. Until then, we will need to play on some other server like WWL.

Sorry for the inconvenience!

A possible option is to move the server to Chicago, where UltimateGameServer has a datacenter. This would allow a good portion of the west coast players the ability to play on 5 frames on exc and the majority of east coasters would still get 3 frames exc, or people could play on lan to make up for the difference (people should be doing that anyway). To see what your ping would be there, go to speedtest.net and choose the chicago server and record what latency you receive.

 

[NovaSmash]

are u still gonna switch to a VPS? Surri said somethin about that

 

[firo]

We did a trial with a VPS but the virtual servers do not have the speed to efficiently host a server. The shared resources on the server make pings unstable and games unplayable.

If people are not satisfied with the current hosting, there are only 3 options:

1. Get a dedicated server which will cost atleast $70 a month (not economically feasible)
2. Move the server to Virginia like WWL since people have less ping there
3. Convince another game server hosing company to host an emulinker sever (unlikely)

Hopefully when the server guys change some hardware things can start moving smoothly.

 

[NixxxoN]

Nice, I hope this reduces the lag issues a lot.

 

[Surri-Sama]

It isnt really lag issues...more of instability

I wouldn't mind us going to Virginia like WWL is...most people get better connections there anyways :o

 

[blaze3927]

hmm im using a vps for the australian server and it works fine, admittedly we get 10% of the users you do.
emulinkerX uses very little resources

 

[Surri-Sama]

Hmm, could you link me in a PM to the host you use?

 

[th3kuzinator]

I wouldn't mind chipping in for the dedicated server. 5 $ a month from 14 people would not be that hard to accomplish

 

[Battlecow]

Eh. Paying for video games? Blasphemy!

 

[malva00]

there should be a server in pennsylvania or wherever west wonderland is so west coast can get 93 ping again

 

[blaze3927]

Hmm, could you link me in a PM to the host you use?

well its in australia and i dont think youd be happy with pings of 260 plus.
but it's
http://www.jumba.com.au

 

[firo]

The problem with using a VPS is that it is basically impossible to judge whether the sever would be able to handle an emulinker server since there is no trial period or anything. What I have read is that it is generally not a good idea especially as users fill up. Sending chat and game packets adds up to a good amount of required constant traffic.

And th3kuzinator, although I feel that it might be possible to get money from people, they probably would not be reliable enough to chip in every month. I'm willing to pay about $20 a month for a server (paying $10 right now for Galaxy) and being in a situation where people aren't paying can cause some unnecessary problems.

If we wanted to move the server, there's always the question of location - moving to somewhere more in the center of the country like chicago could feasibly work, since the majority of east coasters can still get 3 frames (I'm in southern Illinois and I get 31 ping to Galaxy) and west coasters would get 5, maybe 7 on exc. But if there isn't a host available there then it is all just wishful thinking.

 

[blaze3927]

The problem with using a VPS is that it is basically impossible to judge whether the sever would be able to handle an emulinker server since there is no trial period or anything. What I have read is that it is generally not a good idea especially as users fill up. Sending chat and game packets adds up to a good amount of required constant traffic.

And th3kuzinator, although I feel that it might be possible to get money from people, they probably would not be reliable enough to chip in every month. I'm willing to pay about $20 a month for a server (paying $10 right now for Galaxy) and being in a situation where people aren't paying can cause some unnecessary problems.

If we wanted to move the server, there's always the question of location - moving to somewhere more in the center of the country like chicago could feasibly work, since the majority of east coasters can still get 3 frames (I'm in southern Illinois and I get 31 ping to Galaxy) and west coasters would get 5, maybe 7 on exc. But if there isn't a host available there then it is all just wishful thinking.

so are you in charge of galaxy then? ive been trying to get the source of emulinker X but Agent 21 isnt replying anymore, and Near never gave me the custom server jar i paid for

 

[firo]

so are you in charge of galaxy then? ive been trying to get the source of emulinker X but Agent 21 isnt replying anymore, and Near never gave me the custom server jar i paid for

Yes. Agent has not been around too much lately. I can give you the emulinker X files - look for a PM from me soon.

 

[Surri-Sama]

Virginia pls...not Chicago xD

yur gona kill my smush life if you drags me to 7 frames on exc D:

 

[SuPeRbOoM]

chicago I get 5 frames

 

[NixxxoN]

no please. east coast is ok
euros may have the opportunity to use it aswell xP

the solution is 2 servers at the same time, one to texas for west coast/midle USA and mexico xD

 

[Korrupshen]

I get 71ms for da ping

 

[NovaSmash]

Virginia please

 

[Glöwworm]

I'm willing to pay about $20 a month for a server (paying $10 right now for Galaxy)

here's what i think you should do:

if you are willing to pay $20 a month for a server and you say you are currently paying $10 a month for 1 server then why don't you get another server? if users are clogging up the server's resources (bandwidth?) then it's ideal to get another server to spread out players to free up resources/bandwidth from the main server. the server can stay in new york (or move it to virginia if you wish) and get another server in chicago. players can alternate which server they go on.

 

[firo]

here's what i think you should do:

if you are willing to pay $20 a month for a server and you say you are currently paying $10 a month for 1 server then why don't you get another server?

Mulitple servers have not worked out too well in the past. It's more to manage and requires more admins and stuff to keep it going. When there have been two galaxy/emularena servers almost everyone just stayed in the original server and the second one was barely used. I don't think that dividing the already small number of players we have is a good idea. Bandwidth is not the issue - some people have issues with stable connections to New York. Virginia and Chicago are not too far away from each other as well.

 

[Battlecow]

I'm all about chicago. Chicago is the best. Get all those west coasters in here... Plus I'd get like 4 ping =p.

2 servers is NOT the solution. No one wants to have to constantly go back and forth to find the right people to play with.

 

[rawrimamonster]

I'm all for chicago+ ping limit the ****in server so theres less congestion, I think a ping limit of 125 is completely fair. I get 117-125 to places in europe and I'm in Michigan, if I can manage that I think euro players can manage 125 or lower to chicago which isnt that far of a ping jump from me.

 

[Battlecow]

125 is too low. Some entirely legit people get ping in the 130's. I'd say 150 or near it.

 

[NixxxoN]

2 servers is NOT the solution. No one wants to have to constantly go back and forth to find the right people to play with.

I think 2 servers is 100% the solution, USA is WAY too big for one server... and 2 servers, each one in one part of USA, would be good also for increasing the online community. In europe we have a lot of servers Japan is smaller and has more than 1 server afaik

 

[Surri-Sama]

The problem is population.

there isnt a steady demand for a more westerly galaxy.

There ARE other west servers...just not affiliated with galaxy

 

[Battlecow]

Nah, bro, we already have ****loads of servers, and only the main one gets any use, because that's where you find legit people to play with.

 

[dandan]

125 is too low. Some entirely legit people get ping in the 130's. I'd say 150 or near it.

kick me out why don't you

 

[Battlecow]

Spoof it if you have to to get in and set up p2p. No one wants to play with >150 ping anyways.

 

[Peek~]

Official US locations for a kaillera server power rankings

1. TEXAS
2. Chicago
3. Virginia
4. Florida
5. California
6. New York
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9001. Anywhere else

Daroms had it right, 2 perfect locations.

150 would be a good server ping limit. And how about that one function that kicks you when you dont play a game for a while, it will clean the server and get rid of afk/chat***s

 

[Battlecow]

Unless it was a LONG while (like someone who'd been on for 24 hours straight without playing) I wouldn't agree with that.

 

[Glöwworm]

Mulitple servers have not worked out too well in the past. It's more to manage and requires more admins and stuff to keep it going. When there have been two galaxy/emularena servers almost everyone just stayed in the original server and the second one was barely used. I don't think that dividing the already small number of players we have is a good idea. Bandwidth is not the issue - some people have issues with stable connections to New York. Virginia and Chicago are not too far away from each other as well.

your post contradicts why this thread exists in the first place

Bandwidth is not the issue - some people have issues with stable connections to New York.

If that's not the issue then what is? I know currently they are replacing hardware and stuff but before that it was resource/bandwidth issues right? That's why a trial virtual private server was done and unfortunately, it didn't help much. You brought up the point that nothing can be done unless you get a dedicated server which costs a lot. That leads me to believe that the server "The Galaxy" is hosted at, is a shared server. This can only mean that the server is sharing resources with possibly other game "servers" hosted on the same machine.

I don't think that dividing the already small number of players we have is a good idea.

Having 2 servers won't divide the players unless there is a beneficial reason behind it and technically both servers are really "the galaxy". I don't know why there was 2 servers in the past but in this case, it's to lessen the burden on the main server. There should be numerous announcements letting people know that there will be a new server made to free up resources on the main server which leads to a more stable server. That's more than enough of a reason to make somebody think: "you know, that's a good idea."

Virginia and Chicago are not too far away from each other as well.

The issue isn't that people will get the relatively same ping in Chicago than New York thus making it useless but to make the main server more stable by spreading out the players onto another server. That will lessen the burden on the main server. The ideal ping limit in my opinion would be 150 and the player limit would be 50 (assuming there's 2 servers).

I think somebody mentioned that they don't feel the need of chasing around their friends to play if there's 2 servers? All I can say is that that's a bit of a exaggeration there. A couple clicks and I can alternate between servers with ease.

 

[Peek~]

Unless it was a LONG while (like someone who'd been on for 24 hours straight without playing) I wouldn't agree with that.

Im talking much shorter then that like the one Anti3D had. I personally would go for 5-8 minutes but I guess that might be too awesome for Galaxy.

I guess around the 30 minute mark

 

[firo]

To Glowworm:

The issue here is not to lessen the load on the server by splitting it up. The idea to move the server in the first place was judging from the results from the topic where people traced their pings to New York, there were some unstable hops coming from Comcast/AT&T that are not present on WWL. The Galaxy can very well handle 150 users. It is not a bandwidth/resource issue. The reason Galaxy has been going down often this week is unrelated and is due to some other problem that has manifested recently.

You bring up the point about the VPS/Dedicated Server - the way these game servers are configured are specifically to dedicate bandwidth and resources for fast pings and connections. This is contrary to a VPS which is virtualized in a different way (to the best of my knowledge). That's why one of the solutions to fix the ping problem was to find another game server hosting company to host an emulinker server - currently UltimateGameServer is the only company around that has it as an option.

Having multiple servers, in my opinion and based on how Galaxy has been configured in the past, would not be beneficial. The Texas server was barely used and was a waste of funds to host the rare team game between west/east coast players after they first met in the New York server. It would be almost as easy for the person closest to the other three to temporarily host a server to house the game. With the bandwidth/resource issue not applicable, I don't see a reason to do so.

Of course, if people feel that they want to start another server somewhere else and provide the funds, I'd be happy to provide the files and help set it up - I don't have a monopoly on the server files, nor should I. I just don't plan on contributing to a separate server other than a central Galaxy one.

Right now I'm still very unsure on how the decision on whether to move the server will be made. A poll maybe? Not sure.

Also, ping limits are pretty much useless now with the spoof (I don't think the koreans have it, however). I personally do not see why a ping limit is necessary any more. Even if someone can't play, they can still talk/set up matches.

Also again: Right now the idle timeout is disabled. Absent of any resource/bandwidth issues, would people want such a timer in place?

 

[NixxxoN]

firo, try virginia, or new jersey or philadelphia instead of new york? West wonderland is at virginia IIRC? has lower ping than the galaxy.

 

[SuPeRbOoM]

I really like chicago as a location for a server

 

[DemonicInfluence]

I really like chicago as a location for a server

Me too. Midwest will <3 this change :D

 

[Surri-Sama]

I dont think we need to put a time limit on "idle". People come to kaillera to chat from time to time ...so what, honestly it doesn't hinder anyone.

You can ignore who you want and if you are in game /p2pon will fix all that chat trouble

driving people away = bad stuffz

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

I dont think we need to put a time limit on "idle". People come to kaillera to chat from time to time ...so what, honestly it doesn't hinder anyone.

You can ignore who you want and if you are in game /p2pon will fix all that chat trouble

I agree with this. i afk at times when noone is on to smash or i'm taking a break.
Also, i like talking to people on chat only games (dually noted that there are alot of people who create chat only games such as rockstar or LULZ.)

 

[NovaSmash]

I don't think "idle" people are a problem. Plus alot of ppl come on just to chat