metroid1117
Smash Master
Did you check IASA data as well? Or did you factor that in with the cooldown time? Either way, it's quite an impressive list.
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Frame Data!
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no i did not, do you know how i could test this?
metroid1117
Smash Master
Sorry for not replying to this, I forgot to check back >.>. Anyways, you can check IASA (interruptible as soon as) data by holding shield during an attack's ending animation; the first frame that the shield comes up is the first frame the attack's ending animation can be canceled. You might find that some attacks have deceptively shorter lag animations than previously thought; Ike's FAir, for example, has roughly 8 frames of landing animation that you can cut out by abusing IASA frames.
Rythe
Smash Journeyman
Wow, I appreciate all the time you took to find out these figures. You're my hero! :D
http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?p=5813164#post5813164
Recent marth frame data, has the 'safe' factor of moves thrown in too. If you have time, take a look and see if you can put in the frame advantages on our data.
Recent marth frame data, has the 'safe' factor of moves thrown in too. If you have time, take a look and see if you can put in the frame advantages on our data.
ADVANTAGE FORMULA: SHIELDSTUN + HIT - SHIELDHITLAG - END (or IASA)
Straight from the link I sent you. It's basically the amount of frames between when you can react and when your opponent can react after an attack hits a shield. Most of them come out negative, but it still helps to show which moves are actually safe.
Straight from the link I sent you. It's basically the amount of frames between when you can react and when your opponent can react after an attack hits a shield. Most of them come out negative, but it still helps to show which moves are actually safe.
woa...
ill get to it but school and i have yoshi data to do and possibly other characters after that but i will remain loyal to my character and i can say that i WILL get to it, its just a matter of time
ArcPoint
Smash Lord
Haha, wtf, I don't know how you tested this. What are you referring to by cooldown? What about the landing lag? Because when you start a Nair close to the ground it does NOT take 25 frames for it to end.
How did you test how long the hitbox was out? Fastfalling landing lag compared to regular falling landing lag? What about the time in the air? Or is that all under the cooldown category? This is like the first time I've actually looked at this, and I'm confused xD
How did you test how long the hitbox was out? Fastfalling landing lag compared to regular falling landing lag? What about the time in the air? Or is that all under the cooldown category? This is like the first time I've actually looked at this, and I'm confused xD
Wartourist
Smash Cadet
good job on the frame data
colored blind
Smash Journeyman
I love you.
Wait. So is reflector invincible on the first frame? That's fantastic!
Wait. So is reflector invincible on the first frame? That's fantastic!
its the first 6 frames
And then the attack comes out on frame 6, right?
it hits on frame 7
Sesshomuronay
Smash Lord
I love that reflector. Its a free invincibility button.
So... technically, can the reflector trade hits?
arcpoint would know...
ArcPoint
Smash Lord
>_> Come on, simple logic. If you're not invincible when the hit comes out... and you have something that outprioritizes it.....hmm.
colored blind
Smash Journeyman
I meant if there was any startup frames before the invincibility. Invincibility on frame 1(-6) is awesome.
castorpollux
Smash Champion
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Doesn't reflector have 7 frames of invincibility? I just tested this on virtual dub or am I doing something wrong. Also, if you hit the person with the reflector, you are 4 frames ahead of the other guy.
Good stuff, as you mentioned in the Q&A thread.
ArcPoint
Smash Lord
4 frames ahead? As in you can act 4 frames earlier than the opponent? o.O
castorpollux
Smash Champion
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ArcPoint
Smash Lord
In the air or the ground? Or Both?
castorpollux
Smash Champion
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on the ground. Haven't tested it in air yet, but I suspect it's the same
Wait. If you get a 4 frame advantage can't you go for a grab right after the shine then? Idk about the grab armor but it might be possible to grab before the opponent can hit...and even then the grab armor might prevent knockback?
ArcPoint
Smash Lord
Grab armor? Meaning the faux super armor you get when you grab someone the same frame they hit you?
I wouldn't be worried about that, too much, some characters might be able to jab before you grab. And you have to do a dashing grab because the standing grab doesn't have enough range.
I wouldn't be worried about that, too much, some characters might be able to jab before you grab. And you have to do a dashing grab because the standing grab doesn't have enough range.
How many frames does charging a smash get rid of?
How often can do you the grab attack? (if its only 6 frames then you should be able to do 10 a second???)
How many frames do you have to hit A after the first hit of AAA combo to get the second hit to come out?
How often can do you the grab attack? (if its only 6 frames then you should be able to do 10 a second???)
How many frames do you have to hit A after the first hit of AAA combo to get the second hit to come out?
Tope your questions are kinda vague to me. I don't even get them or they're very situational (#2 depends on opponent %).
I just wanted to throw something in (hopefully Jimbo reads this): Fsmash has probably not 5 frames startup lag but 10.
I just wanted to throw something in (hopefully Jimbo reads this): Fsmash has probably not 5 frames startup lag but 10.
Let me try to rephrase.
#1 If I charge a d-smash as compared to just pressing down on the cstick what is the frame difference?
#2 If the opponent is at max damage, how many times a second can one execute the grab attack? (turbo controllers anyone)
#3 If I start the jab combo how many frames do I have to input the next button sequence before I'm allowed to move again? For jab grab and the like.
#1 If I charge a d-smash as compared to just pressing down on the cstick what is the frame difference?
#2 If the opponent is at max damage, how many times a second can one execute the grab attack? (turbo controllers anyone)
#3 If I start the jab combo how many frames do I have to input the next button sequence before I'm allowed to move again? For jab grab and the like.
Nexus Bond
Smash Apprentice
I'm sorry to bump and old topic, but it's a sticky, so i don't think it matters too much. If the reflector has a 4-frame advantage, does that mean that you could have a guaranteed jab combo? The level 9 CPU perfect shields this fairly often, so am I not pressing it fast enough?
Correct, so long as you are in range. My conputer never shields it, try buffering the jab.
And, our frame data should look sexier, like this. Anyone have the tools to get this done?
Nexus Bond
Smash Apprentice
It just didn't make much sense to me, since if reflector hits on frame 7 and ends on frame 28 with a +4 frame advantage, then it means that it has a 25 frame stun, which seems like quite a bit (Samus's fully charge shot stuns for 18 frames). Anyways, I'll go try it out tomorrow.Correct, so long as you are in range. My conputer never shields it, try buffering the jab.
And, our frame data should look sexier, like this. Anyone have the tools to get this done?
Lykeios
Smash Apprentice
Holy jizzcakes,
thanks man
thanks man
goodoldganon
Smash Champion
Sorry to bump an old topic, but for the reflector...
I'm reading it right that it takes 14 frames to drop the reflector? Thanks for the help.
I'm reading it right that it takes 14 frames to drop the reflector? Thanks for the help.
SelfPossessed
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Even though it's late, thanks for the hard work.
Unfortunately, there is some conflicting information. Check http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=225510 to compare.
OURS
THEIRS
TOTAL
SPOT DODGE:
1-6 (6) vulnerable
7-19 (13) invincible
20-23 (4) vulnerable
23 total
1 (1) vulnerable
2-20 (19) invincible
21-25 (5) vulnerable
25 total
ROLL:
1-6 (6) vulnerable
7-14 (8) invincible
15-25 (11) vulnerable
25 total
1-3 (3) vulnerable
4-19 (16) invincible
20-31 (12) vulnerable
31 total
Airdodge:
1-6 (6) vulnerable
7-20 (14) invincible
21-22 (2) vulnerable
22 total <- THIS IS DEFINITELY WRONG
1-3 (3) vulnerable
4-29 (26) invincible
30-49 (20) vulnerable
49 total
Unfortunately, there is some conflicting information. Check http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=225510 to compare.
OURS
THEIRS
TOTAL
SPOT DODGE:
1-6 (6) vulnerable
7-19 (13) invincible
20-23 (4) vulnerable
23 total
1 (1) vulnerable
2-20 (19) invincible
21-25 (5) vulnerable
25 total
ROLL:
1-6 (6) vulnerable
7-14 (8) invincible
15-25 (11) vulnerable
25 total
1-3 (3) vulnerable
4-19 (16) invincible
20-31 (12) vulnerable
31 total
Airdodge:
1-6 (6) vulnerable
7-20 (14) invincible
21-22 (2) vulnerable
22 total <- THIS IS DEFINITELY WRONG
1-3 (3) vulnerable
4-29 (26) invincible
30-49 (20) vulnerable
49 total
SelfPossessed
Smash Apprentice
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There was some dispute over the frame data in that thread too. There's a chance that most of your data is correct. I was just pointing out the differences.
The only one that I really think is off is your air dodge. 22 frames can't be right considering how Wolf can do two Bairs out of a FH but only one AD out of a FH.
The only one that I really think is off is your air dodge. 22 frames can't be right considering how Wolf can do two Bairs out of a FH but only one AD out of a FH.