Fox's Short hop.

[trahhSTEEZY]

I'm currently sitting in my room spamming SH nair/dair/bair over and over and over again, but i still cannot do it consistently, and my fingers tighten up alot and it's almost like irritating my brain when i wanna short hop sometimes but wont push the button cause im trying too hard or some ****, lol does this happent o anyone else?

also, is this the way everyone learns to consistently short hop with fox? just go into a match and do SH aerials over and over?

 

[monkeyx4]

i used to do that, but what i do is i put da time on unlimited and fight lvl 1-3 cpus like falcon or fox so i can train doing waveshines and lighting thingy's. and sh' aerials but u have to take a break like a day or two so ur mind and figers can input it. its kinda werid but its like excersing. u got to let the mucules take a break for like 2 days then get back at it.

 

[INSANE CARZY GUY]

you should only be touching the corner of the button(if you are sorry) but once you master and do it all the time you will keep getting better at it without knowing like when you first are able to do it 100% you won't be able to do it in 2x speed all the time of able to SH like that with the stick(I use the stick for out of shines and SHDL).

Also won't have to think about doing it because it's alreally done and your stringing moves together.

 

[trahhSTEEZY]

Is touching the corner of the button a pretty widespread known tactic for shorthopping with him? I've never applied anything more than learning to do it fast and light D:

 

[`DNS`]

i just push the button and let go

i don't slide it off or anything

the key is to NOT THINK ABOUT IT; just think that you need to SH, not that you need to press the button and let go really fast or w/e

 

[trahhSTEEZY]

Haha, I was actually thinking about different tactics to make myself do it faster last night, I was like "Don't think about hitting jump fast, think about trying to get to A/C-stick as fast as possible after hitting jump!"

I'll try just not thinking about it period, though that may be kinda hard considering i'm gonna be practicing it over and over ;_;

 

[zifn15]

Well just some insight from a scrub (I brought whine). First you want to do it correctly. Then You wanna do it correctly more often. Then you wanna put it in muscle memory so that when you wanna do a certain task you can do it auto. That's how (at least) I learn physical skills.

I also posted a quote in the other thread about consistently explaining how to sh. let me know if you want me to post it here.

 

[trahhSTEEZY]

yeah definitely put it here i wanna see.

 

[zifn15]

i fail at quotes so I'm just going to use > ('')

'yea I know what you mean about the short hop. I found a game faqs guide that pretty much explains how to do it easily. I'll edit, quote, and cite when I find it.

Found

"First go to your training ground and stand in the middle. At this moment, look
at your left thumb. It should be directly over the 'A' button, pointing up and
a little to the left. Now, visualize a dot, about 2 inches to the right of the
'x' button. Quickly move your thumb from its current position to the position
of the imaginary dot. Now move your thumb back to its former position and
repeat a few times, only on these repeats, apply a little downwards pressure
with your thumb as you move it. If you did this correctly, you will hear and
feel the 'x' button snap or go down a little. This is the motion required by
your thumb in order to short hop. Try it again, only this time, observe the
results. If you are short hopping correctly, you will see an obvious effect on
your screen. The jump height for your character should have reduced by a
considerable amount. Congratulations! You've learned to short hop. Now, try
to short hop while moving the control stick in a certain direction. You should
be able to short hop about as consistently as you can jump. Short hop across
Final Destination or do anything that you believe will serve as good practice.
You've learned the basics of the short hop."

link

http://www.gamefaqs.com/console/game...e/516492/40318

author: Parth Nikunj Dalal'

just a note this guy says left thumb but means right thumb
typos FTL

 

[mastermoo420]

Definitely practice SHFFLs. Practicing SHs on their own is like sticking a gun against your head. I swear there is nothing worse than meticulously pressing that Y (or X if that's how you roll; or directional stick :V) and watching yourself flail regardless of your efforts.

 

[JPOBS]

Try to stay as relaxed as possible while playing.

try holding the controller less firmly.

having your muscles tighten up on you will do no good. i've watched the hands of people much better than me and the generally hold the controller as loosely as possible.

 

[AprilShaw]

Try to stay as relaxed as possible while playing.

try holding the controller less firmly.

having your muscles tighten up on you will do no good. i've watched the hands of people much better than me and the generally hold the controller as loosely as possible.

I think this is a style thing.

If you watch the hands of pros, some people do exactly what JPOBS is describing; my friends and I always joke about Eggm because he's very technical but it always looks like he's going to drop the controller

For me, though, when I'm on top of my technical game I usually hold the controller really tight and press the buttons hard. It may just be an adrenaline rush sort of thing, though. And it's probably a bad habit... I always hurt my left hand's middle finger's knuckle if I play for too long xD

As for the actual short hop input, it's a preference thing. Personally I slide off the bottom of X, some people slide off the side of Y (either left or right side) and some people push the button in directly. Some people use the control stick. I've tried to teach myself to use Y but I can't break the habit of using X lol, if you feel you could learn it either way I'd learn with Y but just do what feels natural. Sliding off is definitely much easier than pushing the button in the whole way, but again, it's preference. And as for actually learning to do it... you already have it right. Just do it a lot. Best way is, like someone suggested already, to do versus on infinite time against a level 1 comp and just do technical stuff.

 

[Charlesz]

i fail at quotes so I'm just going to use > ('')

'yea I know what you mean about the short hop. I found a game faqs guide that pretty much explains how to do it easily. I'll edit, quote, and cite when I find it.

Found

"First go to your training ground and stand in the middle. At this moment, look
at your left thumb. It should be directly over the 'A' button, pointing up and
a little to the left. Now, visualize a dot, about 2 inches to the right of the
'x' button. Quickly move your thumb from its current position to the position
of the imaginary dot. Now move your thumb back to its former position and
repeat a few times, only on these repeats, apply a little downwards pressure
with your thumb as you move it. If you did this correctly, you will hear and
feel the 'x' button snap or go down a little. This is the motion required by
your thumb in order to short hop. Try it again, only this time, observe the
results. If you are short hopping correctly, you will see an obvious effect on
your screen. The jump height for your character should have reduced by a
considerable amount. Congratulations! You've learned to short hop. Now, try
to short hop while moving the control stick in a certain direction. You should
be able to short hop about as consistently as you can jump. Short hop across
Final Destination or do anything that you believe will serve as good practice.
You've learned the basics of the short hop."

link

http://www.gamefaqs.com/console/game...e/516492/40318

author: Parth Nikunj Dalal'

just a note this guy says left thumb but means right thumb
typos FTL

This . can't really get a better explaination than this.

 

[RaynEX]

I'm currently sitting in my room spamming SH nair/dair/bair over and over and over again, but i still cannot do it consistently, and my fingers tighten up alot and it's almost like irritating my brain when i wanna short hop sometimes but wont push the button cause im trying too hard or some ****, lol does this happent o anyone else?

also, is this the way everyone learns to consistently short hop with fox? just go into a match and do SH aerials over and over?

The most important thing you have to remember, is that short hops in smash are registered by how fast you press the button, not how hard. The sensors in your controller can't decipher how much pressure you apply, so don't bother trying to hit the button lightly. In the same respect, smashing the button with your thumb won't help things either.

Focus on not keeping your finger on the jump buttons too long. A good way to start understanding short hop timing is by sliding your finger over the button you jump with. You can also try tapping it quickly, almost like you are jabbing it. Make it accurate and concise; connect with the button then quickly lift your thumb off of it to emphasize the separation. I'd also suggest you choose a big stage like Dreamland and empty SH instead. Getting the jump itself into muscle memory will make the process of SHFFLing easier. You won't have to think about the jump anymore, and only about getting your fingers in place for your aerial with either the cstick or the A button.

Most people do exactly what you do when they try to learn how to SH consistently with Fox. I know I did. Its probably so common because no one is there to give them any advice, and it is the most obvious way to go about practicing it.

Just remember to take it easy on your fingers so you don't experience any pain. Keep it light and relax...remember to focus on brevity. Last but not least, try SHing with other characters - that will definitely point you in the right direction. Try Falco to see what I mean.

Best of luck!