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While I do agree with what you said I'm not sure you realize that Meta Knight can begin his strings from either a forward throw, back throw, or dash attack and Greninja from a Neutral Air or Up Tilt. Ganon's spike is techable so I personally don't think we'll see a whole lot of his combos during a match, but with enough practice both Greninja and Meta Knight will have a much easier time pulling this off in every match.
Again, these were all against computer players in training mode when they were both at a certain percentage while they were just set on "stand" no less. The opportunity will not present itself that easily in an actual match. DI'ing away from the throw follow up or down and left towards the ground to tech are escape tools. As for greninja, have you seen Amsa pull off any of those combos at APEX at all? Only one uair semi-spike against MVD. Again to reiterate, these are hard to perform on a human player
True, but as people get better at the game this could change. No one was perform pillar combos in melee in the first year.
True, it won't dictate the meta but it sure does make the game more watchable for some audiences. As people get better, others will find a way to get better defending from it too. Pretty sure this can work with any character with a sex kick so I'm testing that out
Try fast fall dair at low percent
This is great dude. Like you said I'm not sure all of them are guaranteed but it definitely shows potential. Keep at it.
This is awesome! Link is my secondary and I'm definitely gonna try some of these out.
Good stuff. I'll update the OP when a little more is added.
A lot of these combos begin with grabs or simple tilts. Once players have more experience with this they are going to try to convert their advantages into these combos since the reward is pretty substantial. For characters that have easier setups(like throws or tilts) getting a Footstool into Jab Lock is definitely going to be a part of their gameplan once mastered.
Hm, alright. I'm just saying that while I do see this being useful, it may not be as meta changing as it looks? IDK, it's definitely possible though.
a bit and this is what I came up with.
This is fantastic and cool points for the music. It's true that your opponent can avoid everything if they tech, but just imagine that you used a Footstool into Jab Lock to start each combo instead of Nair and you've got something really special going on. I really like the last combo because it's a 40% to death combo that was really hype and didn't require the Punch.Did I do it right? Mess with
Edit: Actually, does are not Footstools into jab reset... More like regular jab resets and a jab reset into a footstool for the last one... Aahh don't hate me guys
I don't think there are many True Footstool > Jab Reset combos. Where megaman is the only character that can True Combo 2 consecutive Footstools and Link where he start off the combo with a Footstool.
Okay.
DK has no guaranteed options to Jab Lock off 1° Footstool(Generally you need to cancel your vertical momentum) or even 2° Footstool (generally to Jab lock off off a secondary Footstool you need an aerial that can Jab Lock, even his jab would be too slow).
Hmm, that's too bad. At least DK users will be weary of the advantage they can gain when they throw out a nair that's unteched.
Just tested it with the custom Side-B. You CAN start a jab lock with it after a footstole, but there is so much lag that your opponent will be able to get up and shield/ escape before youcan follow up with anything
Only Megaman has one that can possibly 0-death and even his is up to RNG as metal blade has a chance to disappear.
Wait a minute, I think I may have misinterpreted what you typed here. All of the combos I'm talking about are aerial Footstools, not grounded Footstools. Like knock you're opponent into the air with either or grab or something and then follow up with an aerial Footstool into a Jab Lock. That's the more practical application I'm going for and this is just an example of what I'm talking about. They may not be perfect combos but they're more practical and varied then trying to get a Footstool off of a standing opponent.
They can use both ground or aerial Footstools. If it only works with a ground footstool or aerial footstool I would have specified.
Okay, but I was only referring to aerial Footstools because they're more practical. I know some characters can just flat out Aerial Footstool someone off of a throw. If we can find some more setups that involve positioning the opponent in the air and then FS into JL then I think we can compile a much more fruitful list.
One I know for sure is Diddy's
You can't interrupt the Get up animation with a Footstool; Therefore, you must Footstool them afterwards.@Azazel the editing on that was hilarious. Also, wouldn't the second one technically be an infinite as long as the megaman is frame perfect? Or is there a window where the victim can act but not be footstooled.
You can select your getup option after an aerial footstool - it's a jab lock that forces you to do a regular getup. And it's been this way since Melee. I'm pretty sure it's intentional.
Well, we'll see. It kinda seems like with Smash 4 Sakurai is only just now starting to figure out how the game actually works.
That's the whole point of this thread. To find out which members of the cast are capable of utilizing this and which aren't. I haven't had enough spare time to do extensive testing on my own or even record it but that's what the community is for. I've seen tournament matches where if a player would of taken advantage of performing a Footstool combo to capitalize on his punish opportunity he would have won the game instead of taking the loss. It's not like it wasn't too difficult to perform in the situation either, I believe they just flat out weren't informed that they could garner such a lead for making a common read.
Don't get hit.
