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First tourney on saturday

Aran

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Hey guys, I just wanted to say that I'm going to be attending my first brawl tourney on Saturday. From my online results against other people, I don't expect to do extremely well, but I hope to learn a lot for future reference. In all honesty, I'd be happy if I got past the second round, since the only opponents I've played offline are friends that just play for fun. Does anyone have any tips for me, about preparation in general (or for those of you that've played me, things to watch out for)? Any help is appreciated.
 

Crystanium

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You should be familiar with the meta-games your opponent has. Snake's Snakedashing is one example, Olimar's Pikmin Order for super armor is another.
 

J4pu

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Good luck

I guess i can throw this in there:
Although falco cant do a normal CG on samus he can do a pseudo CG that involves Dthrow > Dair land behind samus > turn around grab , repeat. Now, unless they have the timing down perfectly, it is escapable just gotta think about what you are doing, whatever samus's quickest option to hit behind her or avoid a grab would be your best choice, I dont know what that is but you should.
 

DelxDoom

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Play with a level head.

don't stay in the air too much.
don't be too aggressive and in your face; that isn't Samus style.

good luck though!
 

ph00tbag

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Try hard.

125% of Smash is effort. -20% is skill. -5% is love.
 

0RLY

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Try hard.

125% of Smash is effort. -20% is skill. -5% is love.
Quoted for Truth.

Don't be afraid to just talk to people. Many of the players are from smashboards, and we are the friendliest community around. Play AS MANY friendlies as you can with many players to get a quick idea of who you'll be facing. If you get destroyed, try a different character or save yourself $5 from not entering the tourney.
 

Aran

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Urgh, counterpicking is not gonna be fun. My two best chars are Samus and Sonic, both of whom have similar weak matchups :(
 

Aran

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Ok, so I'm back from the tourney. I did not end up placing, and was disappointed by my performance, but I think it was a valuable learning experience. Here's a description of what happened, for all interested.

Firstly, the originally planned 3 game sets didn't end up happening because there were way too many entrants. There were 170 people there, and so they divided us into pools of 10 each. Each set consisted of 1 3-stock, 5 minute match, all randoms, so no counterpicking due to time constraints.

Match 1: A Falco called 34 on Yoshi's Island. I personally hate Yoshi's Island, and he ended up 2 stocking me, although I came back a little in the end. I'd lost the first two stocks in his first stock, and then took it out and racked up a good 90+ dmg on his second.

Match 2: A Link called Animus. I essentially suicided on one life, I forget what I did, but I killed myself with only 12% on me. I ended up losing by a stock, but it could've been a close match.

Match 3: A wolf called Cloud Wolf. I ended up beating him, nothing extremely notable about this match.

Match 4: I played against Dark Pch, as of course, Peach. He plays an incredible spacing game. I zoned him fairly well, but when it came down to getting a kill, I had serious problems. He ended up beating me.

Match 5: A Falco called D1. I decided to try and use sonic, since my first match against Falco hadn't gone well. It was a bad idea. I ended up being 3-stocked hard.

Match 6: Edit: I remember who it was against. It was a Lucario. I ended up losing because I choked at the end. I had a good sized 1-stock lead, and I ended up losing VERY stupidly at the end.

Match 7: A Marth (whose name I do not remember). This was my most frustrating match. I had ANOTHER 1-stock lead, and in the last life, he tippered me THREE times in a row. And then, as the time was counting down, I was at 90%, he was at 120%, and we had 5 seconds left. I start trying to dodge him, and I focus too much on dodging, and he punishes a whiffed airdodge with his fourth tipper of the last life and kills me in the last SECOND (The announcer had already said 1). This match made me want to cry.

Match 8: A Falco (whose name I do not remember). I stuck with Samus this time, and won.

Match 9: A Marth (whose name I do not remember). I ended up winning by two stocks.

Final score: 3 Wins, 6 Losses >.<

So what I've learned from this experience:

1. Counterpicks are important. One 3-stock match is not enough to give you a chance, if you play badly the first round, which I did a fair amount.

2. DO NOT CHOKE. I got nervous twice, and lost two matches that by all means, I should have won, and one that was questionable as to the outcome. Definitely need to work on keeping myself calm and focused on the match and NOT killing myself.

3. Stop rolling. I know this is common knowledge, but it's still one of my habits. I HAVE to stop doing this. I got punished way too many times today to continue doing it.

4. Use Airdodge--> Z-air instead of just Z-air against spammers. I was trading hits when I should have been the one hitting and not getting hit.

5. Figure out whether quicker U-tilt is more valuable or D-smash. I used to have my controls set so C-stick would tilt, which helped me use U-tilt, but I decided to switch to D-smash so that I could get people off of me more easily in close range. I definitely saw opportunities for U-tilt today, so I'm considering possibly switching back, but we'll see about this one.

Overall, I think it was a good experience, and I think next time I'll be able to at least make a mark on the scene. I did worse than I was hoping for, but better than I expected, so I think with some more practice I'll be able to become a force to be reckoned with in the near future.

PS: I'm not sure if it was him, but if it was, Atire is a jerk. I saw him earlier in the day, and I remembered his voice. He came over in the middle of my 6th match, and asked me if I was Samus while our match was going on. I turned over for a second to answer him (Which, granted, was my own stupid mistake) and got F-smashed by Marth, making me lose my first life. He then proceeded to say "I hope the other guy wins, cuz I'm the only good Samus in the city." I wanted to smack him. What a jerkface.
 

DelxDoom

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utilt is quicker? wut

Yeah, learn to not roll def

@ bad playing: haha, it's okay, everyone starts somewhere. i haven't even started.
 

Aran

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Ah no, i meant whether a quicker u-tilt or a quicker d-smash was more valuable, not that U-tilt is quicker than D-smash. I'm thinking I may switch back to tilts, but I'll try it out for a day or so and see.
 

J4pu

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Choking is bad indeed
My first tournament my first 2 deaths were complete suicides at low %s that had nothing to do with my opponent, he just looked at me funny
my second tournament my first death was a complete suicide, somehow i came back and won though, lost first match but won the set
my third tournament I don't remember suicidng at all

judging from this course of events you get steadily less nervous over time and don't make as many mistakes.

My friend plays Peach and says Drk Peach is the God of peaches so no shame there
I've also seen D1 play and he is pretty good.
 

Crystanium

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PS: Atire is a jerk. I saw him earlier in the day, and I remembered his voice. He came over in the middle of my 6th match, and asked me if I was Samus while our match was going on. I turned over for a second to answer him (Which, granted, was my own stupid mistake) and got F-smashed by Marth, making me lose my first life. He then proceeded to say "I hope the other guy wins, cuz I'm the only good Samus in the city." I wanted to smack him. What a jerkface.
Yeah, that's not a good idea, and anyone who speaks to you needs to save the questions and comments after the match. It's inappropriate. You know, you could have waited for him to play his matches and then talked smack about him and his Samus, just to cause the blood to boil. The sad thing is he would want to be the best Samus in the city. I'd rather be the best Samus in the world. Don't worry, though. It takes time. If you want, we can do friendlies and you can get better. It just takes time, that's all. Forget about the past and move on. :)
 

MRS1

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Hey! I was at this tourney, playing Samus. I play as MOM. I didn't see the gamertag ARAN, I was kind of keeping an eye out cause I saw this thread earlier, and just cause I was looking for Samus mains.

I did ok, it was my first tourney in a while. I won one match against a Bowser in my pool. Didn't get to play many others because my pool went late and they cut the number of the people who could advance from 4 to 2. I agree with everybody here, I could do better if I wan't nervous. I'm going to start going to more tourneys so I can beat every matchup without getting nervous.
 

Aran

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Ah. I heard your name announced for doubles as... Mom and Dad I believe? I didn't see you, although I did see some guy using the HugS tag that was definitely NOT hugs, since he was not great. Sorry to hear that your pool went late. It was maaad crowded yesterday.
 

MRS1

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Yeah, we should play online since you're New York too, I'll add you. I guess this thread is not really topical anymore so I'll say this so anybody reading this post isn't completely bored...

Link has a lot of attacks that hit you multiple times and you have to DI out of it. Today I just Up-B'd after I had DI'd a little and it caught him out of his attack. I wonder if this is applicable to more characters and attacks? Or maybe I just Up-B too much, I get punished for it a lot.
 

ph00tbag

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D1? You would have lost to him anyway. Dude's a beast, from what I've seen.
 

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You should be familiar with the meta-games your opponent has. Snake's Snakedashing is one example, Olimar's Pikmin Order for super armor is another.
thats not how u use the word meta-game
 

Aran

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@ phootbag. Yeah he's a beast. He was the nicest smasher in my pool though. He was like the only person telling me to not get nervous after my last second loss. He ended up getting third in the tourney overall I believe.

@ Dryn. Meta-game is really just the current level the game is being played at. Hence, furthering the metagame implies that you're raising the level of play required at top levels. For the previous statement, tactics probably would've been a better word.
 

ph00tbag

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:( How do you use it, then?
Metagame is simply a player's or group of players' mental construct of how the game should play out, both generally and specifically.

Thus a character's metagame is essentially their gameplan, their playbook. All of their accumulated knowledge about how they play, and how you'll probably play, and what will probably work against you.
 

-taco

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Your problem is your low expectation...
You gata be positive and believe that you can take any one of those guys...
If you don't well then you most def learned something or better have.
 

J4pu

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Your problem is your low expectation...
You gata be positive and believe that you can take any one of those guys...
If you don't well then you most def learned something or better have.
Exactly, when I expect to beat the top players I always end up winning, who knew brawl was so easy?
 

Crystanium

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Exactly, when I expect to beat the top players I always end up winning, who knew brawl was so easy?
I think skill precedes confidence, though. Still, you can't let your losses get to you. I know it gets to me, and I need to overcome that. If you're confident, you can focus better, and you won't get beat so easily. I know sometimes that when I am going to brawl with someone that I've never brawled with, and I think to myself, "This guy isn't that hard," simply because I find myself doing well, the fear of loss goes away. Even in these moments, the best thing to do is try to not let fear get in your way. I remember when I was brawling with my friend, and I was losing. So I thought, "All right, now I'm going to take control!" We went to Yoshi's Island and I *****!
 
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