Fire Emblem: Path of Radiance | Final Chapter

[Raziek]

Agreed. Why exactly did you need L-1 to claim, then, and why did you try to get yourself killed so badly if that was your role?

 

[ranmaru]

Yup, that's it. No other abilities. I don't really understand the use of it either.

 

[Overswarm]

@Nich, what do you think of the claim?

@Raziek, what do you think of the claim? What do you think of that character writing journals in terms of flavor?

 

[ranmaru]

I don't like early claims. Meh.

 

[ranmaru]

Uh... huh.

You have no other abilities then, huh?

You just write little notes to yourself and they're released later?

I'm not exactly buying that, but please continue.

I said I write a journal. Not notes. Seems logical. If I died, you'd be able to find a journal with my entries in it.

 

[Raziek]

I think it's a garbage claim designed to get us to say "**** this" and lynch him.

Elincia never once mentions a journal in the game. She's the Princess of Crimea, and most of the game revolves around helping recapture her country from Ashnard. It makes extremely little sense contextually.

...

I really don't like this, OS. I really don't want to trust the silver platter here. I think Rajam or BeatStick should be the one to go.

 

[Raziek]

I'm having a lot of trouble thinking about how exactly one could use this role as town.

If you have no abilities, it's essentially just a place to write your scum reads, which you should be publishing publicly, as a Town player.

 

[ranmaru]

Agreed, and I had.

But you seem to have trouble thinking out of the box. I'm sure there could be a way to use it. I just don't know how to use it.

 

[Raziek]

Ran, can I please get a straight answer to this question, now that you've claimed?

Why did you try to get yourself lynched when we began to pressure Cdubs?

 

[ranmaru]

Simple. I gave up. It had nothing to do with Cdubs.

 

[Overswarm]

I think it's a garbage claim designed to get us to say "**** this" and lynch him.

Elincia never once mentions a journal in the game. She's the Princess of Crimea, and most of the game revolves around helping recapture her country from Ashnard. It makes extremely little sense contextually.

...

I really don't like this, OS. I really don't want to trust the silver platter here. I think Rajam or BeatStick should be the one to go.

Oh? And what do you propose we do about Ran then? If he's anti-town, chances are anti-town won't get rid of him.

Why Rajam?

Why Beatstick?

 

[Raziek]

I understand that, OS. It's a sticky situation. I'd like to ask him a few more questions before I explain my reasoning further.

Ran, how exactly did you "give up"? We weren't going after you. What did you "give up" on?

 

[Overswarm]

Why Rajam and Beatstick, Raziek?

 

[ranmaru]

The town. I have trust issues. (Except with the l-1, I still want people to get to l-1 for the vote trail thing)

 

[Overswarm]

Nich, I want you to answer questions as well. You need to contribute.

 

[Overswarm]

I know you're here. Post.

 

[Raziek]

The town. I have trust issues. (Except with the l-1, I still want people to get to l-1 for the vote trail thing)

So, giving up on the Town involves getting yourself lynched, which if you are town, harms the town? Your logic makes no sense.

@OS:

It's fairly simple, really.

2. BeatStick
4. frozenflame751
5. Glyph Ranmaru
6. Gordito giraffelasergun
9. Nicholas1024
10. Overswarm
11. Rajam
12. Raziek
13. Red Ryu

I believe you're the cop. This is pretty easy to see why.

Frozenflame made a legitimate claim that I believe, which is corroborated by your additional results. He hasn't been CC'd, so his role must be legitimate. On top of that, the role would make no sense as a mafia role.

GLG is confirmed Town.

I feel we should exclude Ran because it feels too easy. If he's town, asking to be lynched makes no sense. However, this is a pretty big gamble if he's scum. If he is, I'm willing to bet he's not the corpse-eater. It's a lot of WIFOM, but it doesn't seem like the right choice. I made a similar play in DNM when I was willing to bus Pado to save our more important mafia roles. I had him fake scumslipping all over the place. At that point, I WIFOM'd Town into lynching a VT during LyLo.

At the end of the day, I guess I'd be comfortable with a Ran lynch, but it doesn't sit well with my gut feeling, and I doubt we'd even get his flip.

Nich I'm starting to have second thoughts on, as we never actually confirmed much regarding his role. He claimed RB'd on Day 2, though this was semi-proven by his ability to target a dead player.

At the end of the day, all we know about Nich is that he can target a dead player. His Ike claim still doesn't sit quite right with me. Census Taker makes sense, but that was never proven. Coroner doesn't make much sense for him.

That leaves our remaining choices as BeatStick, Rajam and Red Ryu.

Beat and Rajam are simply the two I have the strongest feelings about.

This is primarily going by my gut, admittedly, but Ryu had the incident on Day 1 with the confusion of who replaced Glyph. That alone clears a Ryu-Ran scumteam.

If we clear that possibility, and consider Ran as a bus attempt, Nich, Beat, and Rajam are the remaining major suspects.

It's also possible that Luxor was scum, but we can't know that for sure. Vult is mod-cleared, C-dubs is Indy mod-confirmed, but Zen remains unknown. It IS possible that Zen was scum and Nich is fakeclaiming his result and role.

At the end of the day, I think we could safely lynch Ran and hit scum, but I don't think we'd know it, and I think the aforementioned three are better targets.

OS, are you going to claim your results before we decide on a lynch?

 

[Raziek]

I'm uncomfortable with Ranmaru too, but it's a moot point. Do we want him in lylo? Will the abductor feel the need to abduct him? Will scum feel the need to kill him?

vote: Ranmaru

Wait a moment, this post just caught my eye.

Why did you feel the need to list the abductor and the mafia as separate entities?

Have we not established that the mafia has been performing the abductions, leaving no remaining "kills"?

 

[ranmaru]

Uh, I deff think he should claim his results before it.

No, it wouldn't hurt town. Town needs a lynch, and info.

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

The town. I have trust issues. (Except with the l-1, I still want people to get to l-1 for the vote trail thing)

Honestly posts where your demanding an L-1 makes me beleive your claim is bull crap.

I'm thinking more and more your real role needs you at L-1.

 

[ranmaru]

I claimed at a pseudo-L-1.

I don't like being at L-2. I believe in everyone voting fully, so that later people can look back at who voted.

I'm sure Rajam might agree with this, He used a vote chart before to see who voted and susch. (He might, I don't know)

 

[ranmaru]

Also, if you are still worried, you could do what OS suggested. Alpha Striking. You and Raziek could do it if you'd like.

 

[ranmaru]

@Raziek:

Huh? I didn't see any confusion from Ryu. Could you post a quote about his confusion due to me replacing? Thank you.

 

[Raziek]

Yeah, I'll hunt it down, give me a minute. Zen pointed it out, which is why I remember it.

 

[ranmaru]

Ok thank you.

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

Raziek would you be comfortable you and me alpha striking him so he can't vote himself?

 

[Raziek]

http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?p=12089698#post12089698

Ryu's 863, and Zen's 865.

 

[ranmaru]

Ahhh ok, thank you very much, Raz.

 

[Raziek]

No, Ryu, I wouldn't be comfortable with that. I'm not placing any votes until OS claims his results.

 

[Overswarm]

Wait a moment, this post just caught my eye.

Why did you feel the need to list the abductor and the mafia as separate entities?

Have we not established that the mafia has been performing the abductions, leaving no remaining "kills"?

Just caught your eye, huh?

Did you miss this?

Maybe the abductor can coroner, like Nich? If this is the case, I can see how that ability would be useful. Gives the abductor a pretty awesome safe claim. But Nich claimed prior and claimed a pretty high-line character, so it's likely he had that safeclaim to begin with if he is scum. More importantly, he claimed roleblocked and said his ability didn't work; same night, there was an abduction. Could still have been faking roleblocked, but we'll figure that out later.

Maybe the abductor can send anonymous messages, like Raziek? I can see how that can lead people astray. I know the mafia Spy can make use of it, why couldn't an abductor?

Point is, we've been clearing people based on their being town or mafia, but the abductor could be either indie OR mafia and, at least if indie, almost certainly has more abilities than one. Some of them even confirmable, and may seem like town abilities.

Given that there was no NKill tonight, it's quite possible that the abductor is mafia. Because of that, I'm going to take a risk here and focus my efforts on those we don't currently know, rather than those that
we do know things about.

That said, don't take it as truth. Just a hunch at the moment.

We haven't confirmed that the mafia and the abductor or the same person. There was one Night without a kill; mafia could have targetted the player who was abducted, someone could have been protected (doctor, bulletproof, redirect) or mafia could have been roleblocked (as mentioned about rajam) if the roleblocker was the abductor or town.


You've been buddying me pretty hardcore, and avoiding a Ranmaru lynch... while quoting my sentiments.

Why aren't you a target for today, Raziek?

If it's not Red Ryu and Ranmaru is too easy of a target, why not you?

 

[Raziek]

Why am I not a target for today?

That's kind of a dumb question. I'm Town, and I know I'm town, so why would I consider myself a lynch target?

If you think it's the best course of action, I'll vote Ranmaru.

I'll ask again, though. Why haven't you revealed your scan results? Are you waiting specifically for Nich to post, or for someone else to make a mis-step?

 

[Overswarm]

More for Frozen Flame than Nich. But I've stated this before. We have twilight, so I'm not worried about an emergency hammer ending the Day before I can post.

X1 was right about you not having balls.

You're just going to flip flop from the position of "I'm not voting Ran until OS gives his results" to "I'll vote Ran if you want me to"?

Why is that?

 

[Overswarm]

unvote

@GLG, Raziek or Ranmaru?

 

[Raziek]

You're just going to flip flop from the position of "I'm not voting Ran until OS gives his results" to "I'll vote Ran if you want me to"?

Why is that?

Who said that was a flip? That was pending a condition that you reveal your results, but still believe Ran is the best course of action.

I really don't understand why you would withhold the information from us. Presumably, you can eliminate someone from the pool of targets, so what does Town gain from you keeping this a secret? We only have three unclaimed roles, so... what is this helping? There's really only one unknown role, if there are two scum among our unknowns. So if anyone besides you is going to get NK'd, it's one of whomever among those isn't scum.

 

[Raziek]

And as I noted accidentally by saying "three", I know one of those claims, through use of my note last night.

 

[Overswarm]

Who said that was a flip? That was pending a condition that you reveal your results, but still believe Ran is the best course of action.

Explain.

I feel we should exclude Ran because it feels too easy. If he's town, asking to be lynched makes no sense. However, this is a pretty big gamble if he's scum. If he is, I'm willing to bet he's not the corpse-eater. It's a lot of WIFOM, but it doesn't seem like the right choice. I made a similar play in DNM when I was willing to bus Pado to save our more important mafia roles. I had him fake scumslipping all over the place. At that point, I WIFOM'd Town into lynching a VT during LyLo.

Do you mean this caveat:

At the end of the day, I guess I'd be comfortable with a Ran lynch, but it doesn't sit well with my gut feeling, and I doubt we'd even get his flip.

Because that doesn't scream "Ran is the best course of action" to me. It seems more like you're willing to go along with it rather than pushing for it yourself.

Why stay in the shadows, Raziek? Stand in the light with me.

I really don't understand why you would withhold the information from us. Presumably, you can eliminate someone from the pool of targets, so what does Town gain from you keeping this a secret? We only have three unclaimed roles, so... what is this helping? There's really only one unknown role, if there are two scum among our unknowns. So if anyone besides you is going to get NK'd, it's one of whomever among those isn't scum.

Well I seem to be getting some information I wouldn't otherwise get, and it's clearing a few things up for me. I'd like to wait until FF posts, as said earlier.

 

[Raziek]

Like I said. I dislike taking the obvious option, as I noted, because I've presented the exact same situation to people before.

I feel we could safely lynch Ran, and he'd be scum.

However, I feel like we probably wouldn't see his flip, and we'd be better taking a shot into the players that are kind of skimming along here.

To once again re-iterate: I think we could lunch Ran and hit scum, but it doesn't feel right to me.

If there's anything else you want to ask me, please do so. I'll be here for a little while.

 

[Overswarm]

Like I said. I dislike taking the obvious option, as I noted, because I've presented the exact same situation to people before.

I feel we could safely lynch Ran, and he'd be scum.

However, I feel like we probably wouldn't see his flip, and we'd be better taking a shot into the players that are kind of skimming along here.

To once again re-iterate: I think we could lunch Ran and hit scum, but it doesn't feel right to me.

If there's anything else you want to ask me, please do so. I'll be here for a little while.

Cool.

Questions:

1) What the hell does your above quote mean?

You feel that Ran is scum, but we shouldn't him lynch him because... why?

You think we'd have a better shot at the players that are kind of skimming along, yet your other choice was Rajam? Go ahead and swing that one by me.

2) Why would you be a possible play for toDay? Use your imagination and look at it from our perspective.

 

[Overswarm]

Guess you went somewhere.

 

[Raziek]

Cool.

Questions:

1) What the hell does your above quote mean?

You feel that Ran is scum, but we shouldn't him lynch him because... why?

You think we'd have a better shot at the players that are kind of skimming along, yet your other choice was Rajam? Go ahead and swing that one by me.

2) Why would you be a possible play for toDay? Use your imagination and look at it from our perspective.

My main issue with lynching Ran is that he TRIED to get himself lynched on Day 3. That alone is a big issue for me. The other thing is that he isn't really trying to defend himself here, and has already resigned himself to his own death. If you were Town, would you take your own lynch that lightly? In a game where only one town has flipped? I wouldn't, that's for sure.

If we follow that line of thought, and he is scum, why would he present himself on a silver platter? Only conceivably answers I have are: WIFOM, or he's protecting someone with a more important role (like the corpse-eater, if he IS mafia), by way of a self-bus.

My other choice was not Rajam specifically. It was Rajam, Red Ryu, BeatStick or Nich. Everyone else has claimed something I believe, so my personal choice would by process of elimination, be one of those four.

I don't have a specific case on any of them, as I admittedly haven't been following this game as closely as I should have. This game started just before my midterms/vacation, so most of Day 2/3 had blown by me, and I'd fallen too far behind to make rooting through several thousand posts worth it. If you're wondering, the only reason my play in the current BBR mafia stands in contrast to this game, is that I took the time to completely re-read and make notes on Day 1, which was a much more manageable task than several thousand posts.

If I'm going to look at my lynch from your perspective, there really isn't that much to the reasoning. I haven't played an extremely town game (partly for the reasons mentioned above), and contrary to my intentions, my claim has not confirmed my alignment, merely my ability.

Were I to defend myself against such a case, I would make note of my claim timing, the fact that I was unaware such a role would exist for mafia, and the fact that I'm allowing myself to be directed by someone I truly believe is Town. So, unless you'd like to argue that you're scum, OS, I don't really see much of a problem with following your lead, since you're the man with the info.

That's all I can really think of to say on those.