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Bloated summoning pools are, like, just inevitable. I know most of you don't play too many other gachas but what do ya'll think they do with older units? Erase them from existence?
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I'm aware it's not the best argument, especially when it comes to other Gacha games(especially the ones with Limited units), but:I never agreed with the "don't bloat the 4* pool" mentality. I'd prefer to get units I don't have every now and then instead of literally the same heroes every time. Worried about fodder rarity? Congrats! Hinata is no longer the only source of Fury if you demote Eldigan, and so on.
That's 1/26 so it's already an improvement and it shows that 20 units could be added to the summoning pool and as long as one has that skill the chances of getting it improve2 out of 52
And that's if Eldigan does get Fury at 4-star. Imagine getting Eldigan at 3-4 Star and Fury 3 is locked to 5-star that you need to pay 20,000 Feathers to get. Suddenly, that 2/52 is far from looking like a 1/26. And a HUGE Reminder that Takumi, a 5-star given as a Free 4-star not too long ago, is required to be 5-star to get both Close Counter AND Threaten Speed 3.That's 1/26 so it's already an improvement and it shows that 20 units could be added to the summoning pool and as long as one has that skill the chances of getting it improve
This is all purely just "if" though. I'd rather have more 4* units than a bloated 5* pool tbh, it's not hard to see the benefits. If you're aiming for specific skills then that's a whole other issue but if you din't have a stock of Hinatas then I just wonder why you need so many units to be angryAnd that's if Eldigan does get Fury at 4-star. Imagine getting Eldigan at 3-4 Star and Fury 3 is locked to 5-star that you need to pay 20,000 Feathers to get. Suddenly, that 2/52 is far from looking like a 1/26. And a HUGE Reminder that Takumi, a 5-star given as a Free 4-star not too long ago, is required to be 5-star to get both Close Counter AND Threaten Speed 3.
Plenty of other gachas take proper counter measures to bloat, such as the suggestion I made of removing older things from the pool and instead having them purchasable from a store with some kind of currency you can earn, separate to the premium currency.Bloated summoning pools are, like, just inevitable. I know most of you don't play too many other gachas but what do ya'll think they do with older units? Erase them from existence?
Alternatively, bring back Daily Hero Battles and revamp them to basically be a way to get the launch 3-4*s for those who still need them, and then demote more units.Plenty of other gachas take proper counter measures to bloat, such as the suggestion I made of removing older things from the pool and instead having them purchasable from a store with some kind of currency you can earn, separate to the premium currency.
Like it's not a massive conundrum, Gen 1 units aren't money makers at this point. The people who do want them don't spend money for them and are more than likely able to just horde Orbs for them. It doesn't hurt IS in any way like some people seem to think it would. It's no different to like, a video game store putting 5 year old games in the bargain bin.
I actually did think about those. I always wondered why they didn't put more units into that rotation, even a rotation for Year 2 units would make sense.Alternatively, bring back Daily Hero Battles and revamp them to basically be a way to get the launch 3-4*s for those who still need them, and then demote more units.
When it was pointed out that that's pretty much the one thing in the game that hasn't changed since launch, it was pretty eye opening.
What gachas even do that? Because as far as I'm aware, GBF has done nothing like that and I know FGO's summoning pool has every 3* to 5* in it that isn't a limited unitPlenty of other gachas take proper counter measures to bloat, such as the suggestion I made of removing older things from the pool and instead having them purchasable from a store with some kind of currency you can earn, separate to the premium currency.
Like it's not a massive conundrum, Gen 1 units aren't money makers at this point. The people who do want them don't spend money for them and are more than likely able to just horde Orbs for them. It doesn't hurt IS in any way like some people seem to think it would. It's no different to like, a video game store putting 5 year old games in the bargain bin.
Fixed somewhat. The Rate-up Banners do not have Story-unlocked characters like Saber Alter, Nero, Bedivere, Cu Chulainn Alter, Tristan, etc unless they are a part of the Banner. Meanwhile, the Story Summon Banner does have them, but does not get any Rate-ups as a result.I know FGO's summoning pool has every 3* to 5* in it that isn't a limited unit OR Story unit
I've been mentioning doing something about the Daily Hero Battles since the first year Anniversary. Still not sure why they haven't done anything about them.Alternatively, bring back Daily Hero Battles and revamp them to basically be a way to get the launch 3-4*s for those who still need them, and then demote more units.
When it was pointed out that that's pretty much the one thing in the game that hasn't changed since launch, it was pretty eye opening.
-Steady Breath, due to Brave Ike.Any other amazing skills that are gone forever because IS decided to make the game even less F2P-friendly?
That really is not fixing it tbh, considering it just prevents you from getting units and locks them behind the objectively worst banner of all(they could at least do a focus rotation on the Story Summon but nope)Fixed somewhat. The Rate-up Banners do not have Story-unlocked characters like Saber Alter, Nero, Bedivere, Cu Chulainn Alter, Tristan, etc unless they are a part of the Banner. Meanwhile, the Story Summon Banner does have them, but does not get any Rate-ups as a result.
I was talking about your post.That really is not fixing it tbh,
Steady Breath is a big one, since it was the only Breath skill that was on a non-Legendary. Now, you have to pray that L!Ike or L!Tiki shows up. And L!Tiki is way too good to be mere fodder... and even if you do fodder her for some reason, there's also Bold Fighter...-Steady Breath, due to Brave Ike.
-Windsweep due to Alm being the only Summon-able unit with it.
-Shield Pulse due to Saber.
-The Red Owl Tome due to Katarina
-Zanbato due to Gray
Those are the notable ones. Other ones I'm not sure about are Close Defense and Speed Smoke from Sigurd, Distant Defense from Celica, Wrathful Staff from Genny, Guidance from Tana, Flier Formation from Elincia and Panic Ploy from Luke.
At the very least Canas, who can be gotten by grails, has the Red Owl Tome. With Zanbato, yeah, definitely RIP.RIP Zanbato and Red Owl tome.
Oh right, Canas has that tome.At the very least Canas, who can be gotten by grails, has the Red Owl Tome. With Zanbato, yeah, definitely RIP.
Dissidia Final Fantasy: Opera Omnia literally lets you buy older 5-Star Weapons or Armour for any character (that's what you pull for in this game, characters are obtained simply through Story Mode or Event Quests/Lost Chapters) using Power Tokens and Armour Tokens.What gachas even do that? Because as far as I'm aware, GBF has done nothing like that and I know FGO's summoning pool has every 3* to 5* in it that isn't a limited unit
They'd probably use Orbs as a currency to gain more from whales when it comes to that skill/weapon shop idea, but honestly, that would still be fine because we'd be guaranteed to get the stuff we want instead of having hundreds of orbs go down the drain.Personally I think FE Heroes could learn a lot from Opera Omnia. Like, I'd pull more on New/Special Heroes banners, if I didn't have to pull duplicates to get merges. Give me an item that acts as a merge for any character if I Send Home a 5-Star Hero, and that would completely solve the issue of having to horde my Orbs for merges on premium characters. Add a shop for getting older units, or at least, permanent banners for Gen 1 units that are either heavily discounted, or use a different currency like Arena Medals. Add a Skill Shop too for getting some older skills, particularly those like Close Counter and Steady Breath which they just made harder to get as a lucky, random happenstance.
It's just way too easy for unit growth to stagnate in this game, especially with these new changes which seem exclusively targeted towards benefiting people who only care about New Heroes/Special Heroes banners, but nobody else. Far too much of this game is tied exclusively to summoning on banners or limited time rewards, there needs to be more ways for players to build their characters and actually make reasonable progress.
Weapons and items are in no way comparable to character units though. The latter has more reasons to exist other than stats and new players would like to be able to get a character they want normally, locking them out of that is simply silly.Dissidia Final Fantasy: Opera Omnia literally lets you buy older 5-Star Weapons or Armour for any character (that's what you pull for in this game, characters are obtained simply through Story Mode or Event Quests/Lost Chapters) using Power Tokens and Armour Tokens.
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5-Star Weapons are arranged as follows:
15 CP - Weakest of the bunch and can be equipped by any character in the same weapon class (for example, Steiner from FFIX can equip Cloud's 15 CP weapon as both are Greatsword users).
35 CP - More powerful weapons that can only be equipped by their matching character (so only Cloud can use his own 35 CP weapon).
EX Weapon - Like 35 CP weapons, these can only be equipped by the matching character. They are even more powerful and also come with a special signature skill.
The system is pretty similar for Armour, the only difference is that EX Armour doesn't come with a signature skill, it instead enhances the skill from a character's EX weapon.
In the future (Global is behind JP) there will also be EX+ Weapons and Armour though from what I understand, these are actually upgraded from the EX version so I don't think you need to pull for them.
I wanted to outline that to put the acquisition methods into perspective.
So like I said, older weapons (and right now, ALL armour for anyone who isn't a brand new Event character) can be bought with Power/Armour Tokens. At the moment, you can get the first 15 CP and the 35 CP weapon of each character (some characters have more than one 15 CP weapon).
As far as pulling goes, the game's premium currency is Gems. You can pull any weapon from any banner, including weapons found in the shop, but there is a counter measure to prevent this from being too frustrating.
If you do a Single Draw (500 Gems, or 1 Draw Ticket, the latter being a common item), you just get a weapon using the normal banner rate, with Focus weapons having a higher rate. However, if you do Multi Draw (5,000 Gems) you get 10 weapons using the normal rate, but ALSO a guaranteed focus weapon. So saving Gems for Multi-Draws and only using tickets on a Single Draw is the way to go.
So the chances are actually pretty generous to get the weapon you want, but even if you are getting a few weapons you don't want, you can sell them for Power Orbs. The game has a Limit Break system where merging duplicate equipment makes the merged up one stronger, similar to merging heroes in FE Heroes. Power Orbs, however, count as a merge for any 5-Star weapon, and are obtained by selling any 5-Star Weapon. So you only need one copy of each 5-Star weapon you care about, and sell the unwanted ones for Power Orbs so you can merge it up.
Also, when older weapon banners come back, it's at a discounted 2,500 for a Multi Draw. You also get 20 "G Tokens" when doing a Multi-Draw on an EX Weapon banner, and can buy the featured EX Weapon for 300 G Tokens should you super unlucky and not get it after burning through loads of Gems.
Also I don't know as much about this game as I'm still kind of new to it, but Mobius Final Fantasy does have an Ability Shop where you can buy older, and sometimes even new or seasonal Ability Cards (you pull for Job and Ability cards in that game). You can also pay a bit extra (using Ability Tickets by the way, not a premium currency) to buy these Ability Cards maxed out from the get go.
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Just a couple of examples from the games I'm playing right now.
Personally I think FE Heroes could learn a lot from Opera Omnia. Like, I'd pull more on New/Special Heroes banners, if I didn't have to pull duplicates to get merges. Give me an item that acts as a merge for any character if I Send Home a 5-Star Hero, and that would completely solve the issue of having to horde my Orbs for merges on premium characters. Add a shop for getting older units, or at least, permanent banners for Gen 1 units that are either heavily discounted, or use a different currency like Arena Medals. Add a Skill Shop too for getting some older skills, particularly those like Close Counter and Steady Breath which they just made harder to get as a lucky, random happenstance.
It's just way too easy for unit growth to stagnate in this game, especially with these new changes which seem exclusively targeted towards benefiting people who only care about New Heroes/Special Heroes banners, but nobody else. Far too much of this game is tied exclusively to summoning on banners or limited time rewards, there needs to be more ways for players to build their characters and actually make reasonable progress.
Yes they are lol. Opera Omnia's weapons are far more significant than FE Heroes' weapons, to the point of being the main part of the gacha. They are the equivalent to pulling for Heroes in FE Heroes, and come with various things, including straight up iconic special moves for those characters with the EX Weapons.Weapons and items are in no way comparable to character units though. The latter has more reasons to exist other than stats and new players would like to be able to get a character they want normally, locking them out of that is simply silly.
I'm aware the nightmare thing is already being used as meme material. Yet how does one not question why Sakura is dreaming about Alfonse?West version:
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JP version
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Glad to see IS took notice of my fanfic where Sakura and Alfonse fall in love but Alfonse has to win a duel against Ryoma to earn the Hoshidan royal family's approval.Huh, apparently there were some differences between the JP Feh Channel and the West Feh Channel due to having to capture separate footage because of UI/Language Changes. In the West, Sakura has a nightmare, but in the JP version, Sakura.....is dreaming about Alfonse and is positive about it for some reason?
I'm aware the nightmare thing is already being used as meme material. Yet how does one not question why Sakura is dreaming about Alfonse?
I mean that a weapon has no character. People don't pull for characters simply because of their stats.Yes they are lol. Opera Omnia's weapons are far more significant than FE Heroes' weapons, to the point of being the main part of the gacha. They are the equivalent to pulling for Heroes in FE Heroes, and come with various things, including straight up iconic special moves for those characters with the EX Weapons.
And with Mobius, you have an Avatar that you make builds for with cards, (though some Job Cards actually let you play as an iconic Final Fantasy character, they're really rare and there's only a handful so it's not really the game's selling point, more like a bonus).
It's all context sensitive, but since FE Heroes' main gacha element is summoning for Heroes, there is no reason why it can't adapt some practices that other games use, like the examples I mentioned. If Opera Omnia allows me to buy outdated gear (which still has a use, as each one has a Passive Skill tied to it, and fully merging a piece of gear allows the associated character to keep that passive permanently), then I don't see why FE Heroes can't implement a Skill shop or even a shop for purchasing old units if they really want to weed them out of the summoning pool. There's literally no downside to being able to just straight up work for your favourite Gen 1 unit like a normal video game, lol.
They don't even have to take them out of the summoning pool entirely, the shop can co-exist with that, and there's even other alternatives like permanent banners with lower prices to pull if people really need that gacha thrill for Gen 1 units. Any of these alternatives would be better than what they're doing now.
There's people like that who absolutely do pull for people only for their stats.I mean that a weapon has no character. People don't pull for characters simply because of their stats.
"Simply" is the keyword.There's people like that who absolutely do pull for people only for their stats.
Those who rank high in Arena is a good example because 180 BST units means high points.
But people generally want their favourite characters to be as strong as possible, and even some of the harder story chapters in Opera Omnia would necessitate using certain well-kitted characters over others if you want to win without using a Continue (for example, I had to slightly build Yuna early on when I was focusing on other characters because she has Esuna and Malboros were debuffing jerks, including having Blind, in that early game when I didn't have any 5-Star weapons), so there's plenty of reasons to pull for weapons even if you don't necessarily care about meta and end-game stuff and want to experience the story. The Story gets challenging enough at certain times to where you do need to think about your team comp at times so you do want to acquire at least decent weapons for different characters to clear that content. Keeping in mind that characters are acquired through story content, so it's in your best interest to do that especially if one of your favourites is acquired later in the game.I mean that a weapon has no character. People don't pull for characters simply because of their stats.
IS's gacha model, like all gacha models, isn't meant to be enticing to everyone, but to whales, who spend the most money. And those whales care a ton about stats for things like Arena and AR. It's the entire reason we've gotten so many busted armor units.I mean that a weapon has no character. People don't pull for characters simply because of their stats.
Wait Mordecai is a cat? I thought he was a birdThe datamine theory was right.
GHB: Haar
Wait Mordecai is a cat? I thought he was a bird
Bet they're skipping on Skips entirely too wthNo Rigby as GHB or TT+ either smh.
>Pull Lethe
Valentia got 3 banners back when it released I'd say it's not in dire need of moreCats now join Rabbits and Foxes in the "Things That Are Horses Now" category, and I learn I was kinda close on pronouncing Caineghis's name.
Another Tellius banner though so soon, after the January banner and the Greil's Devoted banners? Valentia and Archanea haven't had banners since the summer of 2017, going on two years ago. And considering the Bride banner and Summer banners are coming up soon, and then the obligatory Three Houses banners, there's not a ton of time for them to get banners left in the nearish future. Really disappointing.
Yeah, I was hoping this would finally be another SoV banner, but alas, it looks IS just wants to release all the beast characters quickly...Cats now join Rabbits and Foxes in the "Things That Are Horses Now" category, and I learn I was kinda close on pronouncing Caineghis's name.
Another Tellius banner though so soon, after the January banner and the Greil's Devoted banners? Valentia and Archanea haven't had banners since the summer of 2017, going on two years ago. And considering the Bride banner and Summer banners are coming up soon, and then the obligatory Three Houses banners, there's not a ton of time for them to get banners left in the nearish future. Really disappointing.