Fire Emblem 7 Mafia Poisoned Mutton Edition - Mafia Wins.

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

Naaah, Uni has the Splatoon avatar, the avatar he has now he had during the last game

Ura is the one with the Andy avatar.

I’m talking about the FE heroes 2 mafia that I was in, that was what I was referring to.

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

Need sleeping.

We should’ve quick lynch Spak without a claim and call It a day the #HBC way.

 

[Pokechu]

I’m talking about the FE heroes 2 mafia that I was in, that was what I was referring to.

Mhmm! Ura was the one who got defensive over the vote.

I wasn't panicking. I was just agitated at the reckless antics Holder was trying to do. And frustrated that he would vote for me after doing something helluva scummy himself.

 

[Pokechu]

Need sleeping.

We should’ve quick lynch Spak without a claim and call It a day the #HBC way.

I'm curious, though, what does #HBC stand for? lol

 

[Pokechu]

I'm most sketch of Shish at this point.

He opens the day phase asking people to guess the hint he provided for his character, after stating in the Mafia chat in FEH 2 that that'd be a trick he'd be doing.

Not only that, but he instantly votes for me when I claim my character, just because it's the same one I had from FEH 2. Uhhh, it's not like I can choose my character. I get what I get. And considering how the OP says that flavor isn't indicative of alignment (e.g; so one of the main lords like Lyn could be mafia for all we know), there's no reason to vote someone for character at all.

When I start jabbing Uni, Shish hops on quickly. He asked Uni to Cop/Doc/Kill and then trashes Uni's reasonings.

And not only that, Shish then goes to state "oh, see, this is how you know I'm mafia!!!", and provides tells that he's already done this game.

I've only played like two games with Spak so I can't comment on him much, but I don't think it's a wrong assumption to assume that a mafia jailer would exist. There was no reason for Shish to act as though he was a protective role, after all.

 

[Pokechu]

Also, it may be possible that Shish (Louise) was looking for Pent because Louise is mafia and Pent isn't. Ergo, he was hoping for people to think that "oh, they're in this game together, so they can't be mafia!"

 

[Pokechu]

going to sleep

but y'all can just @ me if y'all need me

 

[Jojalole]

I'm most sketch of Shish at this point.

He opens the day phase asking people to guess the hint he provided for his character, after stating in the Mafia chat in FEH 2 that that'd be a trick he'd be doing.

Not only that, but he instantly votes for me when I claim my character, just because it's the same one I had from FEH 2. Uhhh, it's not like I can choose my character. I get what I get. And considering how the OP says that flavor isn't indicative of alignment (e.g; so one of the main lords like Lyn could be mafia for all we know), there's no reason to vote someone for character at all.

When I start jabbing Uni, Shish hops on quickly. He asked Uni to Cop/Doc/Kill and then trashes Uni's reasonings.

And not only that, Shish then goes to state "oh, see, this is how you know I'm mafia!!!", and provides tells that he's already done this game.

I've only played like two games with Spak so I can't comment on him much, but I don't think it's a wrong assumption to assume that a mafia jailer would exist. There was no reason for Shish to act as though he was a protective role, after all.

I'm not going to ditch out everything you said because as I said Pent and Louise could very well be mafia claims to have their back. However Shish using his avatar to claim his character is something he's been doing, either as town or scum (in villains he had a picture of Juri, and in FEH2 a picture of Sheena even if that was his fake claim), so that part isn't particularly sketchy. I did feel StHz's claim of Pent was genuine after Shish said he was either Pent or Louise, so I want to believe it's true.

And even though it's something I would not see happening, I must admit the possibility of having Pent or Louise as town and the other as scum...

I'm also of the opinion that strong claims shouldn't be done day 1 because we are giving mafia free info.

The Stoopid Unikorn LoneKonWolf Jojalole
Cop, Doc, Kill?

This game is hard lol

Cop: Moydow
Hasn't said anything but a greeting message. Come join the discussion in some fashion to change my mind.

Doc: StHz
I felt his Pent claim was genuine so I'm inclined to believe he's town.

Kill: Maven
Just one message on the thread too, and only wondering why to vote Spak.

 

[The Stoopid Unikorn]

What do you make of him being evasive on it?

It wasn't really evasive.

That's something he's done in the FEH 2 game as well, iirc, and he was a townie in this one.

 

[The Stoopid Unikorn]

If Shish is scum, the guessing game is not proof of it.

 

[The Stoopid Unikorn]

That's something he's done in the FEH 2 game as well, iirc, and he was a townie in this one.

Oh wait, I was thinking of Bad Idea Mafia for some reason here.

But still, changing his avatar into something that's relevant to his role is something he's done before.

Louise could be a fake claim, and if it is, we should look into whether there's another Louise or if Shadow is also lying about being Pent.

 

[Deleted member]

You guys are overanalyzing my character in a game where flavor is meaningless, even if it were a fakeclaim, DG gives out safeclaims so analyzing it would be pointless.

Pokechu going after me is incharacter enough, especially him overanakyzing my actions.
Konnie seems to be about the same as last game.
Can't make a read on Joja yet.
Uni is being too polite to someone who called him out as scum and doesn't seem concerned at all with getting lynched which is his by-the-book scum meta. I don't trust like that.

 

[The Stoopid Unikorn]

His "by-the-book scum meta"

If you're gonna talk about one of your scum tells, might as well share one of mine too...

I always do **** that leads to mislynches on day one when I'm mafia, dude.

Setting up that tie on Capcom Mafia for Chu's double vote to be screwed over, which got Swamp killed.

Leading the Shiny mislynch in Fate 2 after biting vaan's bait, which got... well, Shiny killed.

Bad Idea... okay, that one's an exception, but day 1 lasted 30 minutes because you dabbed on Chu. But I did make up for that by saying I was a bomb on day 2, which got a lot of people's attention, including Natz and Kon who can usually read me like open books (and did).

If being quiet and safe on the first day, which is the opposite of what I wrote above and what I almost always do when I'm town, is scum!Uni's way to play, then that's news to me.

 

[Deleted member]

His "by-the-book scum meta"

If you're gonna talk about one of your scum tells, might as well share one of mine too...

I always do **** that leads to mislynches on day one when I'm mafia, dude.

Setting up that tie on Capcom Mafia for Chu's double vote to be screwed over, which got Swamp killed.

Leading the Shiny mislynch in Fate 2 after biting vaan's bait, which got... well, Shiny killed.

Bad Idea... okay, that one's an exception, but day 1 lasted 30 minutes because you dabbed on Chu. But I did make up for that by saying I was a bomb on day 2, which got a lot of people's attention, including Natz and Kon who can usually read me like open books (and did).

If being quiet and safe on the first day, which is the opposite of what I wrote above and what I almost always do when I'm town, is scum!Uni's way to play, then that's news to me.

Ah yes, keep doing that, I wanna see what everyone believes are their own scum tells.

 

[Moydow]

Cop: Moydow
Hasn't said anything but a greeting message. Come join the discussion in some fashion to change my mind.

Timezones and work hours make it difficult for me to be around and contribute to everything. I did mention before the game started that I was only playing because of the longer phases, since they would let me be more flexible with my time. Plus I'm naturally pretty quiet anyway and only pop up when I have something substantial to contribute, as you might know from seeing me only show up in the Nintenzone social when FE stuff comes up. :p Maybe not the best trait for a game like this since absence makes you conspicuous here, but eh.

For now I'm quite happy to sit back and observe, particularly as I don't have the benefit of having observed past games to be able to read people's tells, but if you insist, I guess I'm curious about folks like Spak and Red Ryu, whose first actions upon showing up were to vote. Have they got any reasoning behind their votes, or are they just throwing names out at random?

That's about it for now. I'll keep lookout and chime in again if I spot anything that seems off.

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

It wasn't really evasive.

That's something he's done in the FEH 2 game as well, iirc, and he was a townie in this one.

I’d rather a lot of players have confidence to be more open than playing like this because I can’t take it as anything but a null tell.

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

Gut instinct makes me think unicorn and shi is TvT.

Shi is overreacting but unikorn has validity with them showing thought process to look into shi

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

Timezones and work hours make it difficult for me to be around and contribute to everything. I did mention before the game started that I was only playing because of the longer phases, since they would let me be more flexible with my time. Plus I'm naturally pretty quiet anyway and only pop up when I have something substantial to contribute, as you might know from seeing me only show up in the Nintenzone social when FE stuff comes up. Maybe not the best trait for a game like this since absence makes you conspicuous here, but eh.

For now I'm quite happy to sit back and observe, particularly as I don't have the benefit of having observed past games to be able to read people's tells, but if you insist, I guess I'm curious about folks like Spak and Red Ryu, whose first actions upon showing up were to vote. Have they got any reasoning behind their votes, or are they just throwing names out at random?

That's about it for now. I'll keep lookout and chime in again if I spot anything that seems off.

My case on Spak, it’s a long read.

Spoiler

He’s scum lynch him now.

How do you feel about the above back and forth.

 

[Deleted member]

I don't like Uni, he's acting exactly like in Bad Idea and his reactions to my posts have been completely neutral and unattached. It feels too much like him trying to get on my good side. Back in FEH Mafia 2, he got pissed at both me and Z25 simply for asking for character claims.

Shi

Shi sounds like such an edgy weeb nickname. Just call me Shish, it's cuter.

 

[Ura]

Shish and Uni are at it so early in the game...

Yet somehow it comes off as feeling so choreographed. As if they wanted everyone to believe they're at odds with each other.

Can't say anything definitive yet but I have my suspicions.

 

[Spak]

What do you feel about the back and forth on the previous page and above?

Between whom? I think that Shish is being a little bit too touchy... He seemed legitimately mad at the fact that I jokingly guessed a role and put an RVS vote on him, then his interactions with me since have been nothing but angry and misinterpreting song meanings lol. I think he suspicious for sure, and consider my vote on him no longer just RVS based upon his reactions to the vote being put on him. I may just be reading fake anger as real f

Gambits are fine if done right.

You think we would run into an CC really early and it’s too risky?

It's not the fact that gambits aren't fine, it's the fact that it's an unnecessary risk. Let's look at the pros and cons of a D1 claim for town and scum. The risks of a PR claiming truthfully for town is that they'll possibly be targeted in future nights (even if a protective role exists, scum can just kill that person off as soon as the protector is gone (which is a huge problem for important roles). The benefits of a PR claiming truthfully are that they might levy a little bit more trust everyone before their guaranteed demise. The benefit of fakeclaiming is that you protect your role, but then the drawback you're put in a spot where you have to contradict yourself later in the game to actually claim (making you look even more suspicious and your story less likely). D1 claiming is essentially just role phishing, but widely accepted in NZ Mafia.

Furthermore, Pokechu was going under the assumption that every vital PR wouldn't be stupid enough to claim D1. So under that assumption, if everyone claims VT we'll have forced town to contradict themselves and gotten nowhere. I firmly believe revealing roles this early in the game to the general populous is just a poor idea.

 

[Spak]

I'm curious, though, what does #HBC stand for? lol

Hard Body Crew.

 

[Deleted member]

Shish and Uni are at it so early in the game...

Yet somehow it comes off as feeling so choreographed. As if they wanted everyone to believe they're at odds with each other.

Can't say anything definitive yet but I have my suspicions.

You're either misreading the entire situation or purposefully painting it wrongly. Uni is being (uncharacteristically) extremely calm and polite, while I'm the one trying to burn him.

Also, despite this coming up as a theorical gambit in almost every game, in all of NZ history we have NEVER once had a case of Mafia faking a TvT infighting

Between whom? I think that Shish is being a little bit too touchy... He seemed legitimately mad at the fact that I jokingly guessed a role and put an RVS vote on him, then his interactions with me since have been nothing but angry and misinterpreting song meanings lol. I think he suspicious for sure, and consider my vote on him no longer just RVS based upon his reactions to the vote being put on him. I may just be reading fake anger as real f

How can you interpret ">:^(" as anything other than jokingly?

 

[The Stoopid Unikorn]

Back in FEH Mafia 2, he got pissed at both me and Z25 simply for asking for character claims.

Wow...

Okay, first of all, you were scum in that game and Z was looking for three specific characters to kill. Not exactly the best example here.

And it was a role madness game in which many of the roles ended up being associated with the character in some way, making it possible to make guesses of the role based on who the characters are. Case in point, Tri came to the conclusion that I’m doc based SOLELY on the fact that I was Wrys.

Not only that, but this situation is wildly different. You didn’t try to get people to claim their character, instead making a guessing game out of yours. I honestly don’t agree with it, but having said that wouldn’t have changed anything because no way people wouldn’t guess after you made that initial post. And here, character claims don’t mean much of anything because it’s a setup where most people are vanilla, so the impact of knowing who is which character isn’t as major.

Implying those two wildly different events are one and the same and “proof” that I’m “scum” is honestly laughable.

Also, despite this coming up as a theorical gambit in almost every game, in all of NZ history we have NEVER once had a case of Mafia faking a TvT infighting

Which was the main reason I put you on “doc” and Spak on “cop”, with Spak being the one I’m most suspicious of between you two, but you dismissed as “ass-kissing”

 

[Maven89]

/replace out

Sorry but work is too much for me to play this game at this time

 

[Fire Emblemier]

Alright, I'll look for a replacement.

 

[Pokechu]

Will say more soon TM

Unvote Unikorn
Vote Shish

 

[Deleted member]

Okay, first of all, you were scum in that game and Z was looking for three specific characters to kill. Not exactly the best example here.

Your point? I asked for a character claim back then, you reacted negatively and angrily.
I vote for you and call you scum, you react neutraly and politely.
This isn't about me, it's about you.
It's about your behaviour, as Town, is to react with much more emotion for much less. What you're doing is trying to not take a side, which is exactly what scum do. For all you know, I could be a Mafioso trying to push a mislynch on you yet your reactions imply you didn't consider that possibility when past games have proven that Town!Uni has considered it.

Not only that, but this situation is wildly different. You didn’t try to get people to claim their character, instead making a guessing game out of yours. I honestly don’t agree with it, but having said that wouldn’t have changed anything because no way people wouldn’t guess after you made that initial post. And here, character claims don’t mean much of anything because it’s a setup where most people are vanilla, so the impact of knowing who is which character isn’t as major.

Implying those two wildly different events are one and the same and “proof” that I’m “scum” is honestly laughable.

I don't see what is your point? I never said this situation is just like before nor am I comparing them.

And the only reason I did the "guess my role" is because: a)flavor is pointless so it doesn't really matter if people know my character and b)it's just a fun pointless thing to do im a Day that starts off slowly

Which was the main reason I put you on “doc” and Spak on “cop”, with Spak being the one I’m most suspicious of between you two, but you dismissed as “***-kissing”

There was no reason for you to read me or Spak as such, for you to read me as Town, you had to read Spak as scum and that doesn't make any sense when all your evidence is him voting for me and him believing me to be a Mafia Jailkeeper. I tag you in, ask for your reads and the first thing you do is "yeah I think you're Town and I think the guy who voted for you isn't."

 

[The Stoopid Unikorn]

Your point? I asked for a character claim back then, you reacted negatively and angrily.
I vote for you and call you scum, you react neutraly and politely.
This isn't about me, it's about you.
It's about your behaviour, as Town, is to react with much more emotion for much less. What you're doing is trying to not take a side, which is exactly what scum do. For all you know, I could be a Mafioso trying to push a mislynch on you yet your reactions imply you didn't consider that possibility when past games have proven that Town!Uni has considered it.

Your arguments are what makes me consider it now.

You seem desperate to fish for reasons to get me lynched.

I don't see what is your point? I never said this situation is just like before nor am I comparing them.

And the only reason I did the "guess my role" is because: a)flavor is pointless so it doesn't really matter if people know my character and b)it's just a fun pointless thing to do im a Day that starts off slowly

And yet you bring up the fact that I got mad at you fishing for claims in a game where flavor mattered.

If flavor doesn’t matter, if vanillas are what most of the game is about, why would it affect me as much now as it did then?

There was no reason for you to read me or Spak as such, for you to read me as Town, you had to read Spak as scum and that doesn't make any sense when all your evidence is him voting for me and him believing me to be a Mafia Jailkeeper. I tag you in, ask for your reads and the first thing you do is "yeah I think you're Town and I think the guy who voted for you isn't."

I’m not reading him as scum, I just think his conclusion of Mafia Jailer was a bit specific when Town Jailers were ised before, even in a DGames format like Gorf’s.

It’s why I put him on “cop”, because what he said makes me wary, but not absolutely 100% certain that he’s scum. Otherwise, if I was certain, he’d be on “kill”

But your behavior is really starting to make me wary of you now.

 

[Deleted member]

Your arguments are what makes me consider it now.

You seem desperate to fish for reasons to get me lynched.

You want me to get mad? Because I'm starting to get.
I ****ing have White's Role PM and his abilities make no sense for a Townie.
EVERYONE and their mothers was suspicious of White last Night but now everyone is suddenly believing him because...? Why exactly?

I trusted you last Night and you're the only one I told my role to, good to know my trust was completely misplaced :/

Taking after my footsteps, awn, i'm so proud

And yet you bring up the fact that I got mad at you fishing for claims in a game where flavor mattered.

If flavor doesn’t matter, if vanillas are what most of the game is about, why would it affect me as much now as it did then?

It's not about role fishing or whatever, it's your reaction that I'm interested in. Don't try to misrepresent my point.

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

Shish and Uni are at it so early in the game...

Yet somehow it comes off as feeling so choreographed. As if they wanted everyone to believe they're at odds with each other.

Can't say anything definitive yet but I have my suspicions.

Go ahead and share, i’d Love to hear what your suspicions are.

 

[Ura]

Go ahead and share, i’d Love to hear what your suspicions are.

Well it's not the best reasoning in the world but I found it odd that Shish wanted to scrap with Uni after asking him the "cop, doc, kill" question and ever since then the two have been at each other's throats trying to cite previous behavior from other games. It's faulty reasoning, maybe but it makes me believe that there might be more than meets the eyes here.

At this point of time, I don't have a hard scum read on anyone so far.

 

[The Stoopid Unikorn]

It's not about role fishing or whatever, it's your reaction that I'm interested in. Don't try to misrepresent my point.

What kind of reaction are you talking about?

Because there’s really no point in letting emotions get to me when doing this thing called “defending my ass”

You claim I behave unusually, while not realizing that suspecting me before we even get a first lynch is an unusual scenario for me that never happened since Animafia.

 

[Deleted member]

What kind of reaction are you talking about?

Ah yes, I should call it "lack of a reaction"

Because there’s really no point in letting emotions get to me when doing this thing called “defending my ***”

Then why did you get so emotional back im FEH 2?

You claim I behave unusually, while not realizing that suspecting me before we even get a first lynch is an unusual scenario for me that never happened since Animafia.

What? You're telling me I need to wait for a mislynch before I can get suspicious of you? I'm sorry, I wasn't aware you had Day 1 suspicion-immunity.

 

[BarDulL]

I’m always detective Sherlock Hound, no worries i’ll Cop you last.

You should vote Spak though

Coolios.

I will delegate my vote to you as is traditional of the #HBC way. Soryy Spak , no hard feelings.

Unvote
Vote: Spak

https://hudsonvalleyone.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/10/sheep.jpg

Aside from that, I don't really have an opinion on Shish or Uni except that it's probably not SvS.

 

[The Stoopid Unikorn]

Then why did you get so emotional back im FEH 2?

Because I was the damn doc and didn’t want to say I’m the doc.

I honestly haven’t handled it very well, but I’m trying to stay calm here. No point getting emotional when one of your first arguments towards me being scum was my quietness despite claiming the longer day phases are the sole reason I’m even playing right now because otherwise, I’d be too busy.

Did I really need to spell out the fact that it would mean I won’t be as active as before and thus, quieter?

What? You're telling me I need to wait for a mislynch before I can get suspicious of you? I'm sorry, I wasn't aware you had Day 1 suspicion-immunity.

I nevet said that.

I just said that I haven’t been suspicious right off the bat since Animafia, making the situation unusual to me and thus, it would make sense that I’d defend myself on day one instead of just being a ****poster who doesn’t say much.

 

[LoneKonWolf]

Konnie seems to be about the same as last game.

Don't call me konnie Shi.

 

[Deleted member]

Because I was the damn doc and didn’t want to say I’m the doc.

I honestly haven’t handled it very well, but I’m trying to stay calm here. No point getting emotional when one of your first arguments towards me being scum was my quietness despite claiming the longer day phases are the sole reason I’m even playing right now because otherwise, I’d be too busy.

Did I really need to spell out the fact that it would mean I won’t be as active as before and thus, quieter?

You've been quite active now that I started pointing my suspicions on you though.

I nevet said that.

I just said that I haven’t been suspicious right off the bat since Animafia, making the situation unusual to me and thus, it would make sense that I’d defend myself on day one instead of just being a ****poster who doesn’t say much.

Yes, because scumslips are intentional.

Don't call me konnie Shi.

Ok, Lonnie

 

[The Stoopid Unikorn]

You've been quite active now that I started pointing my suspicions on you though.

I post on breaks.

This one ending right now, so I’ll reply to the rest later.

 

[BarDulL]

Ura when you said "choreographed" you seemed to be implying that both Shish and Uni had planned this in advance. Does that mean you think both are scum?