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Vult Redux · Feb 25, 2014

oh wait I think I remember the mod saying lynch is compulsory.

ugh

Vult Redux · Feb 25, 2014

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Nightmare Before Hardbody I would like you to post your reads first

Nightmare Before Hardbody · Feb 25, 2014

Vult Redux said:
@ Nightmare Before Hardbody I would like you to post your reads first

i dont give a **** what you want

when did ruy ever say a lynch was compulsory?

Nightmare Before Hardbody · Feb 25, 2014

Vult Redux said:
Vote: No Lynch

This is the best choice.

why vulty poo

Nightmare Before Hardbody · Feb 25, 2014

vulty poo how would you feel if i told you i never really thought you were cleared?

Nightmare Before Hardbody · Feb 25, 2014

fun fact

both scumteams bussed. just got figure out who. youll see more of me soon

Nightmare Before Hardbody · Feb 26, 2014

vote vult redux

theres a rumblin in my soul

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#HBC | Scary @

Fandangox

i keep kickin this game around my head and the first 20 pages of my reread all go back to vult. congratulations to whichever of you is scum should i be wrong about this cuz ima finish rereading but i doubt ima change my mind about this

either tomorrow or sometime this weekend i will go into full detail regarding why vult is the play. there are 3 main avenues that lead me to him

first is the interactions that hollownote (and later vult) had with raziek and vice versa

second is vults scummy as **** play yesterday and refusing to move his vote off of me to gorf til i threatened to throw his win condition straight down the toilet

third is why i believe both of you likelier to be town than him

lastly we do NOT no lynch today. why? because me/fanny/vult have all clashed at various points in the game and im pretty sure none of us will agree that scary takes priority. i think scarys town too so hell just get nkilled and itll end up with us three which makes for an ugly endgame. i want scary and fanny to take note that yesterday vult said scary was town to the point that he willing to put the game on the line for it but now he wants to no lynch. thats EXACTLY what i called out gorfscum on yesterday as well. scum will want a no lynch and stick to the "statistics dictate its the best play" bull**** option but thats only for robots who throw their reads into the trashcan. a real town aligned player WONT want to no lynch in fear of their townread getting nkilled and being deprived of one less innocent with which to make the correct call. so its vult today

to those in the green room i apologize if im wrong about this but i think this is the way to go. at the very worst ill be wrong alongside garg and ryker who were innocent and agreed that vult was scum right before dying

ill see you guys soon

Nightmare Before Hardbody · Feb 26, 2014

oh and of course the fourth part

why vult isnt actually clear and i have the evidence to prove it. funny how the "clear" wasnt nkilled tho huh?

Fandangox · Feb 26, 2014

Honestly your reasoning makes sense, but I still think Gova did compare him at some point and that the post where Gova says "Vult" is clear is him leaving a crumb.

As for the last part, I was ready to see Vult get nightkilled considering he was the only "confirmed" townie, so I was surprised to see Ryker get nightkilled. I decided however to not dwell much on it as it would be wifom, he could have been spared to implicate him as scum, because he was scum, or maybe the last remaining scum wasn't paying much attention to the crumbs and thought Vult wasn't clear, although that is unlikely as it would the scum also missed the number of posts discussing that.

#HBC | Scary · Feb 26, 2014

This is a really tough call because like Fanny said, we'd be diving right into the WIFOM on discussing why Vult is still alive.

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Nightmare Before Hardbody
Is the 4th part the fact that the "clear" is still alive?

I'm going to reread Vult from yesterDay.

Nightmare Before Hardbody · Feb 27, 2014

Fandangox said:
Honestly your reasoning makes sense, but I still think Gova did compare him at some point and that the post where Gova says "Vult" is clear is him leaving a crumb.

no. dont be a ******. i am NOT about to lose this ****ing game cuz townies want to wrongly interpret the crumb. gova DID compare vult BUT NOT WITH A TOWNIE. it was probably with raz and he wrote off vult as town cuz vult was riding govas **** and agreeing with everything he said and vice versa. remember that post where vult tried to implicate me/ryker as razs partner cuz we didnt want to uncap potato over him? gova misread him simple as that

i WILL go into further detail regarding why vult isnt clear over the weekend. gimme til sunday yall time

Nightmare Before Hardbody · Feb 27, 2014

Fandangox said:
As for the last part, I was ready to see Vult get nightkilled considering he was the only "confirmed" townie, so I was surprised to see Ryker get nightkilled. I decided however to not dwell much on it as it would be wifom, he could have been spared to implicate him as scum, because he was scum, or maybe the last remaining scum wasn't paying much attention to the crumbs and thought Vult wasn't clear, although that is unlikely as it would the scum also missed the number of posts discussing that.

ScaryLB59 said:
This is a really tough call because like Fanny said, we'd be diving right into the WIFOM on discussing why Vult is still alive.

no **** its wifom. welcome to mafia. scum have absolutely no reason to keep vult alive and you yourself just admitted its unlikely scum would miss that

whatever tho ima convince yall cuz thats a minor point as to why vults scum. i need time to prune through the thread but first ima tell yall TO GET THE **** OVER GOVA CALLING VULT CLEAR. he just misread whatever comparison it was and likely put on the blinders. btw ignore my above post where i said it was with raz cuz theyre partners and i already pointed out it was with potato

ok sall i got for now. big post comes on sunday my time

Nightmare Before Hardbody · Feb 27, 2014

Fandangox said:
Honestly your reasoning makes sense, but I still think Gova did compare him at some point and that the post where Gova says "Vult" is clear is him leaving a crumb.

HEY FANNY

ITS ENDGAME. WEVE BEEN AT EACH OTHERS THROATS HENCE US BOTH BEING HERE. YOU YOURSELF SAID YOU WAIT TIL YOU HAVE ALL AVAILABLE INFORMATION TO MAKE A DECISION RIGHT? I NEED YOU TO LISTEN TO ME HERE AND STOP PROCESSING GOVAS USE OF THE WORD "CLEAR" AS BEING SYNONYMOUS WITH HIM COMPARING VULT TO A TOWNIE. THERE IS A MULTITUDE OF REASONS VULT IS SCUM THAT I WILL OUTLINE THIS WEEKEND BUT IN THE MEANTIME I NEED YOU TO ****ING TAKE OFF THE GOGGLES WITH VULT AND THE CLEAR SHENANIGANS (LIKE YOU DID WITH GORF AND THINKING HE WAS TOWN) AND LEVEL WITH ME OR ELSE WE HAVE LOST THIS GAME

now that i have your attention take a look at the following posts

http://smashboards.com/threads/fire...conquest-night-4.346599/page-60#post-16365450

http://smashboards.com/threads/fire...conquest-night-4.346599/page-64#post-16377941

read these posts. read em again. then read em a third time. theres an IMPORTANT linguistic difference between these posts that GOVA WENT OUT OF HIS WAY TO USE TO DIFFERENTIATE HIS 100% FINDINGS VS HIS OWN READS

ok? are you still with me here? the first link he uses the word "assume" and the second link he uses the word "definitely" and that is NOT a ****ing coincidence. he did that PURPOSELY because he THOUGHT vult was town off of his own reads (this is supported by him later liking the post where vult said me/ryker are aligned with raz that ill pull later) vs me/gorf where he KNEW one of us HAD to be scum. govas smart enough to go out of his way to do this and i just realized this last nightphase when i was thinking about this ****

VULT ISNT CLEAR. IF HE WAS GOVA WOULDVE SAID "DEFINITELY" OR A WORD WITH SIMILAR FINALITY TO DRIVE HOME HIS POINT. GOVA SIMPLY MISREAD VULT AS I DEMONSTRATE ABOVE. THERE IS MORE REASON WHY GOVA DIDNT CLEAR VULT THAT I WILL PULL UP LATER WHEN I HAVE TIME ON THE WEEKEND. FOR NOW I NEED YOU TWO TO TAKE OFF THE GOGGLES OF "HERP GOVA SAID VULT WAS CLEAR HE MUST BE INNOCENT" AND ANALYZE WHAT GOVA WAS TRYING TO TELL US

PHEW. ok bear with me but SERIOUSLY process what ive said here cuz i wont be able to fully delve into vultscum til the weekend. in the meantime hes gonna try to come in here and discredit this post and assert that hes clear but dont ****ing let him work you cuz theres MORE that i will present to you guys soon. also STOP just saying "HERP WIFOM **** THE NIGHTKILL" cuz WIFOM IS STILL EVIDENCE. mafia IS wifom. thats why our postbit is literally wine. ryker said "i thought gova was just saying that vult was clear as a hypothetical" right before he died gee i wonder why he got nightkilled? it was cuz ryker was on the right track to still being open to vultscum

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Vult Redux

ima make mincemeat outta you then bury your ass

Fandangox · Feb 27, 2014

Nightmare Before Hardbody said:
now that i have your attention take a look at the following posts

http://smashboards.com/threads/fire...conquest-night-4.346599/page-60#post-16365450

http://smashboards.com/threads/fire...conquest-night-4.346599/page-64#post-16377941

read these posts. read em again. then read em a third time. theres an IMPORTANT linguistic difference between these posts that GOVA WENT OUT OF HIS WAY TO USE TO DIFFERENTIATE HIS 100% FINDINGS VS HIS OWN READS

The linguistic difference could be explained by the first post being made before he was outed as the cop by Raz. The other one could have been Gova assuming him being the cop was obvious by then and there was no need to keep hiding it with semantics, leaving more obvious crumbs.

I am however willing to listen, I was already wrong about Gorf, and if that post was Gova clearing Vult then that leaves the matter of when did he compare you and Gorf, cause it would seem he did it N2, but given how he started D3 against Raz its also possible he did it N2.

Nightmare Before Hardbody · Feb 27, 2014

Fandangox said:
I am however willing to listen

swag sall i need

Vult Redux · Feb 27, 2014

I'm interested in hearing your elaborated case and Scary's and Fan'd reaction to it.

By the end of the day Ryker was not questioning my clear, so your point there is wrong.

My activity will pick up by tomorrow.

#HBC | Scary · Feb 27, 2014

Well, a lot of what is there does make some sense. Time for the multi reads of those posts!

Do you really think the "hypothetical" point that Ryker pointed out was really the trigger to his death?

Nightmare Before Hardbody · Feb 27, 2014

ScaryLB59 said:
Do you really think the "hypothetical" point that Ryker pointed out was really the trigger to his death?

yes. youre town. i THINK fannys town and why would fanny nkill ryker when hes about to push his lynch ("i think rykers the last scum" in twilight yesterday)? sweird play

Nightmare Before Hardbody · Feb 27, 2014

Vult Redux said:
By the end of the day Ryker was not questioning my clear, so your point there is wrong.

complete bull****. ryker said something along the lines of "i read govas post as a hypothetical" shortly before he died. youre dying today

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#HBC | Scary @

Fandangox

this is the approach vult scum wants to take today. he wants to ride his bull**** "clear" to victory. i have more evidence as to why he isnt clear but yeah toss that in the trash can for now. give me 54 hours

Nightmare Before Hardbody · Feb 27, 2014

for the record the ryker kill isnt the main thing that has me lookin at vult. its a supporting detail in why hes scum jfyi. for the record gova wouldve had to compare hollownote with a townie n0 considering raz/potato n1 and me/gorf n2 which i severely gorfdamn doubt. more on this later tho

#HBC | Scary · Feb 27, 2014

Alrighty, I await this case with great anticipation.

Wow.... So your kinda saying that the game comes down to a n0 action that we don't have. Oh boy.

Nightmare Before Hardbody · Feb 27, 2014

it comes down to scumhunting bruh. swhat it always comes down to and what it always should. im not exactly in the most enviable position with the cop saying he cant imagine you/fanny on either team and calling vult clear on a surface level but ive got this. i guarantee you he didnt compare hollow with a townie n0 as he leaves posts hinting at this that ill pull when i can really sit down over the weekend

Nightmare Before Hardbody · Feb 28, 2014

Ryker said:
Please kill vult tomorrow.

Ryker said:
If gorf is DC scum, we lynch hollow note for his defense of dabuz, meaning we lynch vult. I want to lynch him if Gorf flips PC as well. He's not clear and his notion about towns chances is really ****ed up. He knows better. Plz kill him if I die.

i need to start this case now. im spending tonight gettin sauced with my homie whos bouncin out this ***** and dont have time sunday. tomorrow ill be finishing it but i didnt want to start it tomorrow and have to finish it in one day while im hungover

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Fandangox

scum usually go out of their way to interact with their buddies. is this a fair assertion

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Vult Redux

lets expedite this game. you vote yourself and we wait for fanny/scary to hammer. if im wrong on you being scum then we lose this game and we can all move on with our lives. if im right then the game is placed between our two slots. alternatively you can vote me and then ill vote myself to test this. wuddya say? doesnt that sound like fun?

Nightmare Before Hardbody · Feb 28, 2014

made a lot of progress. im done outlining why vult WASNT cleared by gova with 100% bulletproof reasoning. now im workin on the other parts of the case but thisll be done by tomorrow

fanny do you have a read on scary?

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#HBC | Red Ryu

request you put the start of dayphases in the op. im asking this so i can navigate this ****

http://smashboards.com/threads/fire...conquest-night-4.346599/page-70#post-16408945 - start of d5

http://smashboards.com/threads/fire...conquest-night-4.346599/page-65#post-16378777 - start of d4

http://smashboards.com/threads/fire...conquest-night-4.346599/page-57#post-16357120 - start of d3

http://smashboards.com/threads/fire...conquest-night-4.346599/page-38#post-16300888 - start of d2

http://smashboards.com/threads/fire...-conquest-night-4.346599/page-2#post-16253211 - start of 1

Nightmare Before Hardbody · Feb 28, 2014

http://smashboards.com/threads/fire...conquest-night-4.346599/page-27#post-16282050

http://smashboards.com/threads/fire...conquest-night-4.346599/page-41#post-16317790

http://smashboards.com/threads/fire...conquest-night-4.346599/page-49#post-16327933

lemme hear whatchall gotta say about these posts please

Nightmare Before Hardbody · Feb 28, 2014

fanny and scary i need you two to read this post take it in and seriously process what im saying here and vote vult! everything i say in this post makes sense. iight so vults scum. if for some awful reason hes town ill accept the loss but i severely gorfdamn doubt it. now theres three different overarching points that ima outline that all lead to vult being a big ol scumbaggo. scummity scum. scum a thousand trillion. scum 2 da maximum. they are

i. hes not ****ing cleared by the cop and ima beat it into your heads why gova never ****ing said this. im starting off with this cuz vult is seriously obvscum once you realize he was never cleared

ii. hollownote (and later vult) and raz tried to bus each other and there are contradictions with vults read regarding raz that lend themselves to being aligned together

iii. vult changes his reads when convenient. he outed himself as scum yesterday when he tried to get scary/gorf to vote me and it makes no sense from a town perspective considering his stated reads. he wanted to no lynch this dayphase despite him basically forfeiting a townread to a nightkill in that case

in honor of me replacing laundry j being my hydramate and my mission to avenge ryker and end this game carrying out his final wish i will be using gifs so this post is more epic and to stop myself from getting bored as i spend hours handing town the final scumbag on a silver platter. with that being said...

let the hardbody commence

so much for that clear huh?

but wait! theres more! this next point is the last and final nail in the coffin as to why hollownote/vult WASNT investigated and if he was it DEF wasnt as a clear. were going to look at how gova actually talked about hollownote/vult starting d2. take my hand and join me as we dissect govas language!

http://smashboards.com/threads/fire...conquest-night-4.346599/page-38#post-16301125

"just like i dont think we're gonna get anything useful from hando or hollow"

you dont ****ing call your clear useless. if you have a clear and theyre not doing **** YOU TRY TO REEL THEM INTO THE GAME YOU JUST DONT **** ON THEM. A CLEAR IN ITSELF IS USEFUL AND THUS CONTRADICTORY TO WHAT GOVA SAYS HERE
heres another gem courtesy of ryker/seph

http://smashboards.com/threads/fire...conquest-night-4.346599/page-38#post-16302202

"...[to gova] What should we do about them [hando/hollownote]?"

http://smashboards.com/threads/fire...conquest-night-4.346599/page-39#post-16302899

"...lynch them; preferably handorin tho"

...yall seein this right? yall followin me? you DONT ****ing say "hey! go ahead and lynch my clear if he keeps being useless!" ESPECIALLY not in this setup where every townie death counts. he preferred hando but thats cuz hollow was straight inactive while hando just was actively useless. if he had a clear on hollow hedve said something more blatant like "hollownote is likely innocent in contrast to hando" or some **** like that. this is MORE LANGUAGE that shows you that gova did NOT have that slot as clear. im not done yet

http://smashboards.com/threads/fire...conquest-night-4.346599/page-39#post-16303769

"...for real tho; how are people feeling about hollownote and handorin currently?

i think they need to be dealt with but after a dabuz scumflip i feel a little better about hollownote..."

WHY THE **** WOULD YOU ASK FOR THE ENTIRE GAMES OPINIONS ON LYNCHING YOUR CLEAR?? CAN SOMEONE EXPLAIN THAT TO ME?

you cant. you ****ing cant. also note his use of feelin a "little better" about hollownote while an outright clear would require MUCH stronger language than what he uses here. is my point getting across to yall yet?

http://smashboards.com/threads/fire...conquest-night-4.346599/page-41#post-16317742

"...regarding HN; i don't know; it depends on who the other person in lylo is and honestly i'd probably want to lynch him before i even got there

and i'm PoEing to Handorin because in our 4 inactives of Raz, Scary, Handorin, and Hollownote, one of them is scum im pretty sure..."

he says he DOESNT KNOW HOLLOWNOTES ALIGNMENT AND EVEN PUTS HIM ON HIS ****LIST. YOU KNOW WHO YOU DONT DO THAT TO? YOUR ****ING CLEAR

http://smashboards.com/threads/fire...conquest-night-4.346599/page-41#post-16317888

"handorin is scummy for the same reasons hollownote is

refusal to cooperate with town; not giving reasoning for reads;

and being inactive

but this where reads come into play

i don't think both of them are scum; i don't think it's likely given on how yesterDay progressed

i think handorin is more likely to be scum than HN; which is why i'd prefer him"

so gova outwardly acknowledges that both hn and hando are scummy. you dont ****ing call your clear scummy. yes im seriously going to keep going and point out every instance gova beefs with hollow just to hammer my point through that he didnt ****ing clear him. im leaving no room for argument here

http://smashboards.com/threads/fire...conquest-night-4.346599/page-48#post-16327678

"...regarding HN; i don't know; it depends on who the other person in lylo is and honestly i'd probably want to lynch him before i even got there..."

REALLY good one. so i guess gova wants to lynch his clear before lylo? yeah guys that makes a lot of sense and is something a cop would say about his clear

THERE. gova didnt ****ing investigate hollownote as clear and THATS why. stop calling him clear

cool? now i can elaborate on why hes scum at LAST

ii. hollownote (and later vult) tried to bus each other and there are contradictions with vults read regarding raz that lend themselves to being aligned together

ima start off with razs treatment of hollownote

http://smashboards.com/threads/fire...conquest-night-4.346599/page-27#post-16282050

**** raz and his flip flop opinions. i THINK this makes hollownote look the worst tho. check out how many times he equalizes here with "not going to commit in either direction..." "weak content BUT theres effort" and "id like to give the benefit of the doubt BUT there needs to be more depth" all reads like classic distancing without committing to a read on your partner. he equalizes with his language with fanny/scary/myself but nowhere NEAR as much as he does with hollownote. the unique tone smacks of shared alignment

http://smashboards.com/threads/fire...conquest-night-4.346599/page-41#post-16317790

raz makes a case on hollownote d2 when hes bleeding out. i REALLY think he was trying to bus here cuz this benefits his faction in two ways. either he dies and he sets up his partner to be disconnected cuz "oh raz was just ****ting on a weakass townie" OR he succeeds in bussing his partner and he looks like a hero. i want you guys to ask yourself "why did raz single out hollownote here?" i admit its weird as **** for him to make a case on his partner being aligned with the other scumteam but its believable when you put it into the context of bleeding out and a strategy of setting up his team for a long term gameplan

http://smashboards.com/threads/fire...conquest-night-4.346599/page-42#post-16319349

raz using strong language "INCREDIBLY damning" which makes me think he was tryna look like a boss for a bus. check out this tho

yo heres where **** really interests me tho guys

http://smashboards.com/threads/fire...conquest-night-4.346599/page-45#post-16324872

vult replaces in and uncaps potato

http://smashboards.com/threads/fire...conquest-night-4.346599/page-45#post-16324891

raz immediately asks for clarification as to why. i think its interesting he latched so quickly onto interacting with vult here. scum usually love to interact with each other and this is consistent with him wanting to get some distancing in with his scumbag in crime. it gets better tho

http://smashboards.com/threads/fire...conquest-night-4.346599/page-45#post-16324891

what the ****? he used all this strong language to indicate hollownote as scum and he drops it cuz...vult replaced in just like that? does ANYONE else think this **** is fake as **** and hes just giving his buddy an out of the planned bus?

http://smashboards.com/threads/fire...conquest-night-4.346599/page-45#post-16325357

raz justifies it with "oh yo ima give vult a chance but i might revote him" which just reeks of that teeter tottering with the slot i pointed out a lil while ago in the above posts i analyze. this is becoming a pattern

http://smashboards.com/threads/fire...conquest-night-4.346599/page-49#post-16327933

the town read he throws out so lazily onto fanny here makes me think hes unaligned with him. i HATE how he keeps playing soft with both scary and hollow/vult. however this is the first time hes engaged scary in direct conversation as opposed to the hollow/vult slot which he already did which still makes me favor vult as the partner here

http://smashboards.com/threads/fire...conquest-night-4.346599/page-53#post-16332801

raz wants support for the hollownote wagon without ever really PUSHING. he just sits there and cries that no one gives a **** about his case and keeps pointing at him. i think this is in line with the bussing idea

ALRIGHT. hollow hardly says **** about raz (well he lightly chainsawed him early d1) so lets see how vult treats raz now

http://smashboards.com/threads/fire...conquest-night-4.346599/page-49#post-16327942

yo so check it out vult has no read on raz. note that vult uncapped potato right when he replaced in and elaborated on a townread

http://smashboards.com/threads/fire...conquest-night-4.346599/page-52#post-16331962

then uncaps raz cuz i...asked? what the ****? vult comes into the game VOTING me and saying potatos town with no read on raz but he votes WITH ME to save a NULL over a TOWNREAD? WHAT THE ****? this vote is insane and makes NO sense considering his reads

http://smashboards.com/threads/fire...conquest-night-4.346599/page-54#post-16333884

vult says he reread the thread and decided that both were likely town and raz was a better option...possible. **** us for not questioning vult further on this when it happened. i still cant help but dislike it tho cuz look at these upcoming posts

http://smashboards.com/threads/fire...conquest-night-4.346599/page-54#post-16334136

wow. so vult JUST decided that raz and potato are BOTH likely town then he gets at me for calling raz town and even points out something scummy about the slot? what the hell? the inconsistencies are mounting and i like how he gets at me here. i think this is the beginning of vult trying to use the raz uncap wagon to **** on townies with me being as the fall guy cuz i put in the work. speaking of ****ting on townies

http://smashboards.com/threads/fire...conquest-night-4.346599/page-55#post-16336740

more blaming everyone else for townreading raz. vult was either EXTREMELY lazy with his decision to call raz town or is just his buddy distancing him while linking him to townies. im leaning the latter. if he regrets switching to raz why the **** doesnt he just go back to potato?

so yeah the day ends shortly afterwards. all of this makes A LOT more sense as vultscum setting up/ryker for the fall for saving scum than town who is inconsistent as ****. thats the end of d2 and now lets move onto d3

http://smashboards.com/threads/fire...conquest-night-4.346599/page-62#post-16366549

not a connection post but i hate this one. yall should know that scums best strategy after bussing raz is to paint innocents as his partner. this is the FIRST post in the thread that establishes that fallacy and its by vult

http://smashboards.com/threads/fire...conquest-night-4.346599/page-62#post-16368792

more of that by ****ting on ryker

iight so i think theyre partners and the quotes i pulled here lend themselves to that. the worst part was when he chose to save raz over potato and kept it there while simultaneously questioning me and ryker on our decision to save raz over potato. if he was town hedve just switched his vote to potato but instead he set me/ryker up to look even worse after the flip while leaving himself unaccountable. much more consistent with scumplay than townplay

iii. vult changes his reads when convenient. he outed himself as scum yesterday when he tried to get scary/gorf to vote me and it makes no sense from a town perspective considering his stated reads. he wanted to no lynch this dayphase despite him basically forfeiting a townread to a nightkill in that case

are yall still with me? good job. youve made it a long way. why dont you take a little break for your eyes? why are you so tense in endgame?

d3 starts. vult REALLY comes out the gate this phase and its cuz he sees the finish line with my mislynch being a popular option which would lose town the game assuming both scumteams incapped the same townie which wouldnt be hard to do. but here lemme give yall somethin a little more tangible

http://smashboards.com/threads/fire...conquest-night-4.346599/page-66#post-16393657

vult goes for the kill here ushering scary and gorf to vote alongside him. he calls gorf town for "not picking up on gova cop" which is RIDICULOUS cuz any townie with a brain has no reason to assume that scum wouldnt just hide that fact. i figure a townie in his situation would be MUCH more cautious in this endgame and NOT just throw out his earlier scumread of gorf (which he had for awhile now) off of something so flimsy. it really reeks of scum going for the game winning play here

speaking of which look at this next post

http://smashboards.com/threads/fire...conquest-night-4.346599/page-68#post-16400393

there was NOTHING in between this and his last post that made me look scummier. i couldve had the interaction i had with gorf during this timeframe (i encourage you to read it yourself) as either scum OR town. my behavior was completely null in differentiating between the alignments (id actually argue my play was town but whatever i dont care about that argument right now) and vult just coming in like "oh theyre prolly both scum" is opportunistic as all ****. its an easy way to stick to his scumread on me and justify him throwing the game instead of what a rational townie would do and try to consider between us

i now present to you...

http://smashboards.com/threads/fire...conquest-night-4.346599/page-68#post-16400556

THE SCUMMIEST POST IN THE GAME

http://smashboards.com/threads/fire...conquest-night-4.346599/page-68#post-16400681
http://smashboards.com/threads/fire...conquest-night-4.346599/page-68#post-16400709
http://smashboards.com/threads/fire...conquest-night-4.346599/page-68#post-16400715

these reactions by me and ryker are pretty ****ing appropriate. WHY is this **** so scummy? cuz VULT ASSUMES THE OPPOSITE SCUMTEAM WILL INCAP GORF FOR NO MOTHER****ING REASON

what does this accomplish as scum? it gets scary to keep his vote there and sets up gorf for the alpha hammer. there is absolutely NO reason for vult as town to assume that the opposing scumteam wouldnt just incap another townie and force town to lynch scumgorf in town which would give them the win. what does this mean? it means that VULT WAS MAKING A POWERPLAY TO WIN THE GAME AS SCUM YESTERDAY. if you think vult is town from that post then you believe that vult

- threw his gorf scumread into the trashcan after dayphases of maintaining it and wanted to vote alongside it
- WAS WILLING TO PUT THE GAME ON THE SCUMTEAM FOLLOWING HIS LEAD WHAT THE ****

so there you ****ing go. vult isnt clear. his interactions with raz and vice versa are both inconsistent and lend themselves to distancing/bussing while simultaneously setting me and ryker up for the fall. and his play yesterday skyrocketing in activity and shifting his reads where most convenient for a scum victory while completely flying in the face of his former reads show why he needs to die. ****ing vote him and lets call it a game

Vult Redux · Feb 28, 2014

I'm going to try to boil down your care into concise points. Here's what I got out of it

> You don't think Gova had an investigation on me because he would have mentioned it D1 and because he didn't use the word "completely".
> Raz unvoted me when I replaced in D2.
> I switched my uncap to Raz D2.
> I flip-flopped on some of my reads yesterDay.
> I made the assumption that a scumteam would incap the other scumteam yesterDay.

am I right?

Vult Redux · Feb 28, 2014

To be clear, I'm condensing the points easy-to-read way so that Scary and Fand don't mistakenly assume that you have a mountain of evidence and so that it's clear what I'm refuting when I refute them.

I think Marshy is scum but I want to wait a bit until I get to why I think that.

Fandangox · Feb 28, 2014

I don't think Marshy is scum, he would have just killed The clear and try to convince Ryker and Scary to lynch me based on his previous scumread.

I thought it might have been Scary based on process of elimination and also cause he never did really take a stance by most of the game. I think its possible that Gova investigated MiR/Gorf N0, since he was going after MiR D1. That would leave room for him to invesitgate Hollownote N1 after his play, and Raz N2 after the hammer.

However I didn't actually think further when I called out Raz on unvoting Hollownote who he was scumreading when he earlier said that he only votes when he is really sure of something, and doesn't change it for a very good reason. I thought that when he unvoted Vult after the replacement that was scummy in itself, but didn't actually thought why wouldn't scumRaz just keep his vote on Hollownote, I was just too focused on that inconsistency to think that he might have been trying to unvote his partner.

I am not really sure here, but I think you might be right in that Vult is the play.

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Vult Redux Why do you think Marshy might be the last scum?
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#HBC | Scary Thoughts?

#HBC | Scary · Feb 28, 2014

The case is compelling. Really compelling. How marshy outlined the play of Raz toward hollownote does show what he said earlier that both teams did try to bus each other, so I agree with that point.

I didn't think much of what happened at the end of D2 and primarily focused on the nasty hammer by Raz although that was his only play. Looking at it through what you presented, it also makes sense. The uncap was switched on a whim or more so marshy's request. When you bring up saving a null over a town read, it's also questionable that you display that Vult didn't have a read on Raz.

D3, just wow. Didn't think of that power play happening under my nose. The incap part is really good too. REALLY GOOD.

Looking at fanny's post, I really didn't think much of the Unvote on replacement because I would've probably done the same and see if he could play his way outta the vote. Hollownote's play was solidly bad but Vult improved enough to me during that time to alleviate some of my concerns about that slot during that time.

Here's a random tidbit for question, when he outed me as his strongest town read, could that have been his relay to the other scum team yesterday to look to incap me? This happened before Gorf outed himself.

I might be ready to pull the trigger on Vult but I wanna at least hear him out.

Nightmare Before Hardbody · Feb 28, 2014

first off at this point im going to ignore the **** out of vult til you guys kill him. i will NOT directly engage him cuz im officially putting my eggs in the basket on him being scum and refuse to give him any more ammo with which to twist my slots intentions or my case. the rest of my time in this game will be trying to get fanny/scary to vote him. i ask that if im wrong and either of you are scum that you guys alpha hammer asap cuz i dont like being toyed with and manipulated

i want you guys to notice that vult said that im the play and consider how hes been treating my slot this game. yesterday he threw my slot into the lions den asking scary and gorf to lynch me but if you read the dayphase (again like ive been saying with everything ive asserted feel free to go over it yourself. the dayphase is only a few pages long yesterday) youll see he keeps asking me **** here and there along the lines of "work with me" and when i comply i just get **** on my face. i think he keeps just trying to make himself appear as hes really trying to read me (this was part of the reason he had me thinking he was innocent for awhile) but if you look he never truly reconsiders the read on my slot. it ALWAYS goes back to vult hating my slot. first when he replaced into the game voting me cuz i didnt explain my scumreads to yesterday with trying to get me lynched to just now where hes asserted that im the last scum. if he thinks that im the last scum and had a townread on scary yesterday why the **** did he go to a no lynch so fast? doesnt it make infinitely more sense as town for him to maybe throw a vote on me or engage me in SOMETHING instead of just being like "hey guys lets no lynch **** my townread" and ive explained why this is suspect and part of what made gorf scummy

Fandangox said:
I don't think Marshy is scum, he would have just killed The clear and try to convince Ryker and Scary to lynch me based on his previous scumread.

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i want you guys to ask yourself "why would marshy as scum go into mylo the way he did today?" cuz i think the answersll help you gauge my alignment. if you think im scum then you think

- i chose to come into this dayphase tryna convince you of a fake clear
- i closed off the option of a no lynch
- i put the game between myself and vult as scum in mylo instead of leaving my options open

go head and process that and ask yourselves if you think that i as scum would go out of my way to make **** harder on myself like that ESPECIALLY challenging the so called clear like this. fanny engage me in the following

I think its possible that Gova investigated MiR/Gorf N0, since he was going after MiR D1. That would leave room for him to invesitgate Hollownote N1 after his play, and Raz N2 after the hammer.

...what? you COMPLETELY lost me here. i pointed out earlier and in my case that gova crumbed potato raz n1 by saying "by basic compare and contrast" and me/gorf n2 by saying "one of them is definitely scum" so i have no idea where youre getting this n1 investigation found. additionally the posts i pointed out where gova questions hollownotes slot still stand and dont fit with a clear of hollownote n1. this looks like a convoluted thought process to me

ScaryLB59 said:
Here's a random tidbit for question, when he outed me as his strongest town read, could that have been his relay to the other scum team yesterday to look to incap me? This happened before Gorf outed himself.

I might be ready to pull the trigger on Vult but I wanna at least hear him out.

eh its possible. i cant say anything more than that

#HBC | Scary · Feb 28, 2014

Ok. Welp. Step one of convincing me is done. I believe you and I believe in what you're saying after your last post.

Good luck in step two, convincing Fanny.

Vote: Vult Redux

Fandangox · Mar 1, 2014

Nightmare Before Hardbody said:
@ Fandangox @ #HBC | Scary

i want you guys to ask yourself "why would marshy as scum go into mylo the way he did today?" cuz i think the answersll help you gauge my alignment. if you think im scum then you think

- i chose to come into this dayphase tryna convince you of a fake clear
- i closed off the option of a no lynch
- i put the game between myself and vult as scum in mylo instead of leaving my options open

go head and process that and ask yourselves if you think that i as scum would go out of my way to make **** harder on myself like that ESPECIALLY challenging the so called clear like this.

Don't know why you said this specifically since that's pretty much what I said on that post you quoted.

Saw scary's vote yesterday, was thinking of what to do next, was initially going to wait to see what Vult had to say about Marshy, but I am gonna hammer now so congratulations Marshy either if you are correct or were the last scum.

If Vult is really the last scum you did a good job pining him down and convincing me and scary that he was not clear. If you were lying and you are the last scum congratulations too for pulling this off, although I have a feeling some other town players would probably tell me I should have not been fooled so "easily"

If scary was the last scum then I am sorry town, I guess I should have pushed that forward.

Vote: Vult Redux

#HBC | Gorf · Mar 1, 2014

Vult is hammered?

Fandangox · Mar 1, 2014

Everyone voted him except himself, so yeah.

Nightmare Before Hardbody · Mar 1, 2014

****. im really sorry town if i got that wrong

Gova · Mar 1, 2014

no you're not

edit: i mean you're not sorry

Nightmare Before Hardbody · Mar 1, 2014

well that def reads like a "you were wrong" post. **** me

so scary then? yo scary ill paypal you if you no kill tonight

Gova · Mar 1, 2014

who the hell lynches the cop clear

the crumb was so obvious everyone saw it

i wouldn't have said he was clear if he wasn't

seriously, of all the ways for town to lose, this shouldn't have been it

sorry ruy for posting b4 flip

Nightmare Before Hardbody · Mar 1, 2014

UGH. sorry but that behavior i pointed out didnt align with how i thought a cop would treat a clear. im gonna go ahead and ask you what cop suggests lynching their clear? i wish you had just outright claimed d3

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