Riddle twice has had these 'oops guys i'm sorry i really didn't mean what i said in my last post" incidents.
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Final Fantasy VII: Mafia [GAME OVER]
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Handorin
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-I didn't misunderstand anything. That's why I said "he" meaning Rockin.
-Not at the moment.
-I guess you could say that if you want.
If I wasn't positive that Tom would not include a jester in the game, I would almost be sure you are one.
You agree that you haven't contributed much and you're okay with the assumption that your laziness can be seen as coasting.
You don't seem to care how people view you. The necessity to prove that you are town by actually contributing means nothing to you at all. You're just sitting there responding with ambiguity which does nothing except cast more suspicion on you.
Why did you join the game if you aren't going to play it? Unlike most of the inactive people you have had the chance to post content and contribute, but out of "laziness" refuse to do so.
@Jungle: Good catch. Riddle's first "sorry" slip-up was his asking for a vote count on me earlier in the game while I was at L-2. Mentos pointed that out. Ironically, his second "oops" moment is also on me. Extreme case of tunnel vision or desperate attempt to lynch the Mini Doc?
Omnis is just one of the players I'd like to speak up. I don't have a read on Chill or Jungle either in terms of activity.
I'll vote the other half to, it's the best weapon a townie has got.
You're ******** if you're only basing my thing sucks off of vote switching.
You're ******** if you're only basing my thing sucks off of vote switching.
I disagree, Kevin. Your vote isn't what scares me. Actually, I don't think anyone thinks your vote holds any kind of weight.
It's your ability to influence people due to you being a veteran that actually scares me. You can start bandwagons like nobody else's business. Hell, I would join a bandwagon you made simply because I know that a "Kevin Bandwagon" in addition to your grilling can be productive when aimed at the right people. However I haven't really seen the positive (inducing activity) outweigh the negative (revealing vital information, lynch on Gheb).
Again, your "thing" isn't perfect. It has it flaws and pending on the situation and how the Mafia decides to ride it, it could be a benefit or detrimental. At this point in the game I would think the latter.
I humbly apologize for my lack of participation.
I just completed a re-read. As of right now, my top two suspects are Riddle and Hando.
Hando for more or less being a generally coasting thorn. He hasn't really been contributing, but hasn't really be de-railing discussion. It's a tough call here. I can easily see him just trying to be an abrasive/nonchalant townie, but it also seems like a scum style of coasting meant to maintain a presence, but not put out anything worthy of consideration, so as to avoid attention or being taken seriously.
Riddle for immediately jumping on Gheb when he was asking to be lynched, as well as trying to get Omni to reveal whether or not ht used his alleged power. God****, his actions are BY far the most scummy of anyone in this game, but I'm hesitant because the rest of his play suggests a context of townie who's making some boneheaded mistakes. Maybe I'm being to lenient though. =/
I'm also interested in where the sudden mini push for mentos came from? It has been suggested that he was "nudging" Omni, but I'm not really sure on what grounds said accusation is based. This is something I'd like to see discussed, but I honestly am not sure where it's coming from. Can we get some links to the posts from which the accusation is built?
I just completed a re-read. As of right now, my top two suspects are Riddle and Hando.
Hando for more or less being a generally coasting thorn. He hasn't really been contributing, but hasn't really be de-railing discussion. It's a tough call here. I can easily see him just trying to be an abrasive/nonchalant townie, but it also seems like a scum style of coasting meant to maintain a presence, but not put out anything worthy of consideration, so as to avoid attention or being taken seriously.
Riddle for immediately jumping on Gheb when he was asking to be lynched, as well as trying to get Omni to reveal whether or not ht used his alleged power. God****, his actions are BY far the most scummy of anyone in this game, but I'm hesitant because the rest of his play suggests a context of townie who's making some boneheaded mistakes. Maybe I'm being to lenient though. =/
I'm also interested in where the sudden mini push for mentos came from? It has been suggested that he was "nudging" Omni, but I'm not really sure on what grounds said accusation is based. This is something I'd like to see discussed, but I honestly am not sure where it's coming from. Can we get some links to the posts from which the accusation is built?
Handorin
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Nothing I ever said was ambiguous.
And I'll give you this one, I don't really mean lazy. That was a poor choice in word. I prefer observing, then making a call rather than being active in discussion. It's how I am normally irl (which most can't attest to). The only time I posted a lot was Spidermafia, because Nic just couldn't handle my jokes.
I wasn't nudging anyone more than any other person in the game. I thought he was really a townie, but the way he gave up like that could have been scum trying to play us. I kept my vote on who I thought was scum, but it was definitely important at that point to use our lynch.
First of all, how the hell would that prove anything? Secondly, that has to be the stupidest question I've heard all game. Third, Kevin's playing as I've seen him do as town, which doesn't clear him by any means, but means I don't see a BW on him being productive at this point.
Once again, you are called out for a stupid question being asked, and apologize and have no explanation but "I didn't know what I was thinking." This brings me to Vote: Riddle. I had you as my top suspect yesterday, and this move today hasn't helped your case.
I do agree with this, on the other hand Frozen, by the time you posted this both votes on me had been withdrawn. Regardless, it's nice to see you posting now.
Riddle
Smash Lord
I honestly don't know if there is anything to do to defend myself. I know I have been scummy and I apoligize.
To adress your concerns. The vote on Gheb from my part had only one reason. That is that I did not want a townie in the game who had given up. Someone who has give up is completely ueless and so I decided to lynch him off of the chance that he was scum, which was very possible. Think about it. If you replaced a very scummy mafia then how do you defend yourself? A very good way to defend yourself seems to be to play the cornered townie and ask to be lynched. That was a very possible, at least in my mind, explanation of his actions, and from my point of view, even if he was town than we didn't lose too much by lynching a very suspicious townie who has already given up.
As far as the mistakes go I havew nothing to say. However, I think chances would be very low of Riddle_scum to do this since I tend to pay a lot more attention when I am scum(at least on epic mafia) and really try to avoid slip-ups like this, seriously, what would scum be thinking if they did this? I know this is all WIFOM but still.
For the Tunnel-vision argument all I have to say is this. I have not put one vote onto Omni and I have yet to push for his lynch. Just because both mistakes were targetted to Omni isn't anything but coincidence.
Omis needs to come out and playyyyyy
Seriously.
Seriously.
The top quote is your most recent post Riddle, the bottom is your last before that. In the top, you say that you aren't tunnelvisioned, and that it's a coincidence, yet in the bottom quote you flat out say that you asked the stupid question to Omni due to your suspicions of him, which is the same reason you asked the vote count. That is most certainly not just a coincidence, and it does point to tunnel vision.
Riddle
Smash Lord
Just because I am suspicious of Omni doesn't mean I am tunnelvisioning onto him. The coincidence wasn't me asking a question to Omni, the coincidence is that of all the people I have been suspicious of (Blazer, Kevin, and Omni among others) he was the one that was the result of the stupid errors. Of course I asked Omni a question, because I was suspicious of him, but that doesn't mean that the fact that both of my errors were related to Omni were not an accident.
gheb was guaranteed to give us good stuff regardless of his flip. hando and ronike weren't. the rest of this is just "i disagree"
you were definitely metagaming:][COLOR="PaleGreen said:
you outright said "i don't see you playing the way you usually do" and take issue with my play. that implies that you're metagaming. off of what?
plus i don't want to be put in a situation where i have someone who claimed doc near endgame. seriously docs need to die as soon as they claim but hando, scumfever, and maybe riddle do as well. shame that the first 2 aren't getting wagoned if there's a vig get to it
Let's make this clear, Marshy.
Am I Scumni or Doc Omni? Stop flip flopping.
And tell us what this "good stuff" is that we received from Gheb's death.
Omis
my friends were skinny
There really isnt much to say. Hando seems a bit suspicious but honestly he is playing the game just like I am so I cant really say anything about it. Most of the problems of day 2 have been quarbling over Kevin's playstyle, which while I dislike it, is just indicative of the way he normally acts. I still dislike the play of Omni as usual mostly for acting semi ignorant of others opinions.
You have nothing to say over a McFox death? What about Gheb's lynch yesterday?
Marshy you've kept pretty true to your list of scum, you've gone after Omni but why me and riddle?
Marshy you've kept pretty true to your list of scum, you've gone after Omni but why me and riddle?
Fluff.
<tenfluffs>
All of Omis' posts are like this.
NOTHING stands out to you Omis?
vote: Omis
come on my dude, dance.
NOTHING stands out to you Omis?
vote: Omis
come on my dude, dance.
Omis
my friends were skinny
Gheb lynch was perfectly fine in my book. Nothing unexpected. He could have been town and it wouldnt have been a big loss as we almost always mislynch and he also coulda been scum which would have too made sense. In our psosition he was cleary the best choice.
McFox was killed because the scum hates inactives. I thought that would be obvious. He was leaving so scum killed him so they wouldnt have to deal with him. Id go for Marsh as scum because he has been pretty weak and he fits the boot perfectly of a inactive hater.
McFox was killed because the scum hates inactives. I thought that would be obvious. He was leaving so scum killed him so they wouldnt have to deal with him. Id go for Marsh as scum because he has been pretty weak and he fits the boot perfectly of a inactive hater.
Omis
my friends were skinny
So can we lynch Omni and call it a day?
Omis
my friends were skinny
Care to elaborate at all? You said you had no read on me I post one thing and instantly Im scum like no other.
this quote makes it dumbni since the entire point is that i'm not sure. i think riddle is scum and hando is more suspicious all if you're really doc. it's hard to scumhunt based on your being town when there's been so many players openly suspecting you and i can't differentiate from opportunistic scum or town wanting you dead like i do. you dying is win-win for me
also answer my question already. i'll answer your other question and jungle's later because of irl johns and mainly want to unvote riddle vote omis
why would scum hate inactives? they soak up suspicion and get town nowhere with their lack of content. you're not inclined to think that they'd kill someone for being smart and actually scumhunting? like mcfox? and his quietness could be taken as a pr tell. how does "he was leaving so scum killed him so they wouldn't have to deal with him" even make sense? they already wouldn't have to deal with him because he'd be gone
Omis
my friends were skinny
It was simply the first thing that popped into my mind. And by the scum I mean the people not the motives. Deal as in put up with. I didnt think of any other ways to pin people to the death.
My vote stays on Kevin.
Kevin, you completely avoided the questions I asked you and have since voted for two more people.
Marshy, you're in the same boat. You're going to have to give me more than "FOS Chill because of dumb post".
Kevin, you completely avoided the questions I asked you and have since voted for two more people.
Marshy, you're in the same boat. You're going to have to give me more than "FOS Chill because of dumb post".
Well, I'm finally back to the computer again. So I'll be able to post tonight.
First off, @ Omni: My main sus atm is Kevin. But I'm liking the discussion of Hando and Riddle, I'll put some thoughts out there about them later on tonight.
I have to go do something, I'll have another post up in a bit.
First off, @ Omni: My main sus atm is Kevin. But I'm liking the discussion of Hando and Riddle, I'll put some thoughts out there about them later on tonight.
I have to go do something, I'll have another post up in a bit.
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“Shut up. The cycle of nature and your stupid plan don't mean a thing. Aerith is gone. Aerith will no longer talk, no longer laugh, cry... or get angry... What about us... what are WE supposed to do? What about my pain? My fingers are tingling. My mouth is dry. My eyes are burning!”
“What are you saying? Are you trying to tell me you have feelings too?”
“Of course! Who do you think I am!?”
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16th Vote Count
Riddle (2): Marshy, Mentosman
KevinM (1): Chill
Chaco (1): KevinM
Omis (1): Junglefever
Not voting (8): Omis, Frozenflame, Rockin, Omni, Ronike, Riddle, Chaco, Handorin
With 13 alive, it takes 7 to lynch.
A deadline has been set for midnight (12:01 AM) EST on September 27.
Ronike has been prodded.
“Shut up. The cycle of nature and your stupid plan don't mean a thing. Aerith is gone. Aerith will no longer talk, no longer laugh, cry... or get angry... What about us... what are WE supposed to do? What about my pain? My fingers are tingling. My mouth is dry. My eyes are burning!”
“What are you saying? Are you trying to tell me you have feelings too?”
“Of course! Who do you think I am!?”
“Ha, ha, ha... Stop acting as if you were sad. There's no need to act as though you're angry either. Because, Cloud. You are... Because, you are... a puppet.”
16th Vote Count
Riddle (2): Marshy, Mentosman
KevinM (1): Chill
Chaco (1): KevinM
Omis (1): Junglefever
Not voting (8): Omis, Frozenflame, Rockin, Omni, Ronike, Riddle, Chaco, Handorin
With 13 alive, it takes 7 to lynch.
A deadline has been set for midnight (12:01 AM) EST on September 27.
Ronike has been prodded.
Ronike
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Ugh... I've been lurking, I'll admit it, but its only because I've been busy and I felt I shouldn't post unless I had time to commit and make a good post, but the stars still haven't alligned... At any rate, I might as well give you my suspicions at least...
I still think Omni is scum for reasons previously stated. I do plan on eventually getting back to your wall post from yesterday, but I still have not yet had the time.
Hando is on my list, just like he has been for a while. I just didn't want to bring it up because I'm sure it would have and probably will open a can of worms. Again, I wanted to make a super post as to why, but again I have no time. Basically, the ignoring of all posts directed at him removes a lot of information people could use against him, thus making him seem scummy, but not so scummy he is lynchable. It's a very sneaky tactic, but Hando has the mafia experience to pull it off. Plus, just a bunch of little scummy things hes done led me to believe he is scum.
The other is riddle, simply because I cannot imagine anyone who has ever played mafia actually asking Omni if he used his power and still be town. Plus, all those little "oops, my bad I don't know what I was thinking" sounds like mafia told him "what the hell are you doing? Take that back!", along with frequent contradictions in his posts make me believe he should be our prime lynch target for the day. Vote: Riddle
I still think Omni is scum for reasons previously stated. I do plan on eventually getting back to your wall post from yesterday, but I still have not yet had the time.
Hando is on my list, just like he has been for a while. I just didn't want to bring it up because I'm sure it would have and probably will open a can of worms. Again, I wanted to make a super post as to why, but again I have no time. Basically, the ignoring of all posts directed at him removes a lot of information people could use against him, thus making him seem scummy, but not so scummy he is lynchable. It's a very sneaky tactic, but Hando has the mafia experience to pull it off. Plus, just a bunch of little scummy things hes done led me to believe he is scum.
The other is riddle, simply because I cannot imagine anyone who has ever played mafia actually asking Omni if he used his power and still be town. Plus, all those little "oops, my bad I don't know what I was thinking" sounds like mafia told him "what the hell are you doing? Take that back!", along with frequent contradictions in his posts make me believe he should be our prime lynch target for the day. Vote: Riddle
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Vote: Riddle
Yeah I am totally down for lynching Scumddle.
Vote: Riddle
Yeah I am totally down for lynching Scumddle.
Come on Kev, that's not even a good one...
Resident expert on why the scum do what they do?
Not only do to claim to know the motive of the scum kill with a certainty that is nothing short of offsetting, but you THEN attempt to use that kill choice and your planted motive to frame Marshy? Really?
And to think that I thought Riddle's tells were bad...
Vote: Omis
Really Kevin, why are you playing this game? If you're town you're not being helpful at all. All you do is vote jump, you don't explain your votes, you only interact with other players when you feel like it. You're not playing in a way that benefits the town and if we're supposed to believe that you're so good at this game it then becomes alarming that you aren't.
Riddle
Smash Lord
New font color. I'm tired of looking like Omni.
@Ronike and Kevin. Unless you give me more to go on there is no way I can defend myself. I have already explained that the oops moments were truly and honestly mistakes and unless you believe that I'm a really, really poor player than I don't see how someone making a mistake tells anything about their allignment. I would like to think that I have shown that I'm not usually an idiot and so I think the mistakes are honestly a null-tell.
Scumddle (seriously what an awful name) would not be stupid enough to be thinking logicaly and ask a question like that expecting an answer, so why would he do it? There is absolutely no reason so the only explanation is I'm an idiot (could apply to either town or mafia) or I wasn't thinking properly and made a mistake (could also apply to scum or town) so I don't get where you are picking up any scum-tells.
@Ronike and Kevin. Unless you give me more to go on there is no way I can defend myself. I have already explained that the oops moments were truly and honestly mistakes and unless you believe that I'm a really, really poor player than I don't see how someone making a mistake tells anything about their allignment. I would like to think that I have shown that I'm not usually an idiot and so I think the mistakes are honestly a null-tell.
Scumddle (seriously what an awful name) would not be stupid enough to be thinking logicaly and ask a question like that expecting an answer, so why would he do it? There is absolutely no reason so the only explanation is I'm an idiot (could apply to either town or mafia) or I wasn't thinking properly and made a mistake (could also apply to scum or town) so I don't get where you are picking up any scum-tells.
I agree with this 100%.
You guys act like I'm playing with something to prove, I'm playing to enjoy myself rofl.
Riddle is acting scummy go look through his posts and do your own work.
I vote based on what I believe.
You guys can't GUILT trip me into playing "better"
I led a lynch on a townie I'm trying to tone it done and just vote bandwagons that I can stand behind. Without posting a huge post that everyone automatically sucks down.
Quit life.
Riddle is acting scummy go look through his posts and do your own work.
I vote based on what I believe.
You guys can't GUILT trip me into playing "better"
I led a lynch on a townie I'm trying to tone it done and just vote bandwagons that I can stand behind. Without posting a huge post that everyone automatically sucks down.
Quit life.
Honestly you can't say Riddle is playing with a townie vibe at all, look at his entire last post.
Some scum "ask me questions" with a big old pile of WIFOM on top of it.
Yum yum my favorite kind.
Some scum "ask me questions" with a big old pile of WIFOM on top of it.
Yum yum my favorite kind.