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Fighting my friend... sucks...

Betrayed

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:laugh:

Absolutely determined to prove to me that his Falcon is better than mine, my friend fights his brother in a Falcon v Ice Climbers match.

Normally I go stock for stock with those Ice Climbers with my Falcon, but he went and destroyed them. Three stock, minimal effort, but even people like me could see the obvious flaws in his game. Very little tech chasing, no dash dancing, no grabs (ever), no gentlemens or u-air combos or nair strings. Basically, one of those people that shows off by moving really fast and spamming the stomp and knee most of the time.

So he's better, right?

Maybe... I mean, some people are just better in some matchups than others, right?

So I Falcon Ditto him and 3-stock him. He's scary when it comes to learning new tricks though. Those little things that save you when you really need it and such...

Rematch. Yeah, yeah. He's got all my tricks (well, tricks I stole from Isai and Co) and uses them.... arguably better than me. I still win though, 2-stocked.

I'm pretty comfortable fighting almost everybody. I treat every stock as if I'm going to die without ever touching them again (assuming I'm winning, and I usually grab first kill anyways). Every bit of damage I get before my death is nice, because I don't usually expect any.

Sheik? I like fighting Sheik for some reason.
Marth? Not so much, but he's not very good with Marths finer points of play so I can usually 0-death him...
Link? He plays Link... projectiles are annoying but nothing I can't get around.
Fox? Fox is cheap.

He'll usually get mad that he's losing and switch to Mario...

And I dun like to fight the Mario Brothers...

Oh! Moral of the story.

Mindgames > Tech Skill

Discuss.
 

stalfos

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He shudn't grab ICs anyway. Other than that I have no idea what you're talking about O:o
 

ArcNatural

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For some reason I read this 1st post about 10 times before I realized the real statement here.

ego talking, ego talking, ego talking.
 

Betrayed

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I grab IC sometimes. Ask yourself why a few times.

Ego? Me. No, not really. If anything it's him with the ego with his mindset that he can win a match with anybody against one of my mains. I hate fighting him because I know he'll always get frustrated enough to switch to Mario, and he doesn't change off of it until he sits there and wins like 15 matches in a row.

That's why I hate fighting him. He's an egotrip that always ends on the same page. I'm not saying I can't have a bit of an ego myself, I like how I enjoy fighting Sheiks and how Mario can counter me, but this topic isn't about "my ego talking"
 

abit_rusty

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For some reason I read this 1st post about 10 times before I realized the real statement here.

ego talking, ego talking, ego talking.
hey...me too... o.o

and um...if his mario is giving you more trouble than his shiek, well then he must be one good mario or else a horrible shiek. Dair to knee or find the % that guarantees you a up/down throw to knee. Yea we all know his cape can lead to gimp KOs though...
 

Taalcon

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It's worse with doctor mario, because his cape's hitbox is more vertical than mario's. If he's sitting on the ledge and you're below, trying to get up, you've got no chance without him making a mistake (lolz.)
 

Betrayed

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The thing is... only 1/8th or so of his kills against me are via the cape.

And his Sheik... well, you don't need to be that good to have a decent Sheik. (I hope you know what I mean)
 

Taalcon

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Lawl, my friend spams the cape...He'll just cape me for no reason. Which is sometimes good...because..."I caped you but you kneed me anyways T.T" XD.
 

captainlukey

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crazy stuff....
and WAFFLing is like a sport of its own lol...
i can combo people from zero to full with that technique....
and tech skill and mindgames go hand in hand.. you cant be GREAT without both...
but not everyone is great..
so to the original question on wich is better...
hmmm, using the games original techniques alone with only mindgames wouldnt get you too far id imagine (but then again i did do it for a long time, like most people on these boards id imagine)


hang on i just realised that you cant actually have decent mind games without advanced techniques.... wavedashing comes to mind, thats an advanced technique, dashdancing is an advanced technique, but i knew that one before i knew ATs, so non advanced techers mite be able to use that one as a mindgame if they know of it....
moonwalking is advance tech.. also a mindgame,
wavelanding
etc

as you know the list goes on and on...

anyhoo... what mindgames are there left if u were to only use the games original features?

none come to mind...
cept maybe doing a downtilt instead of a fsmash or watever....

so in conclusion i move that there are NO mindgames without tech skill
the end
 
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