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fighting kirby with falcon
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ballin4life
Smash Hero
Falcon can zero death jiggs just not starting with an usmash or fthrow
See 1:20 of prince combo video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DIIb0FURDAI
See 1:20 of prince combo video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DIIb0FURDAI
SSBPete
Smash Lord
im thinking on dreamland, nair -> fall through the platform bair -> running uair -> up b.
might try it later
might try it later
yup, lol. you people saying you cant combo jiggs or kirby are crazy. falcon uair combos are easy against everybody if youre quick (some are tricky like yoshi) and can basically always be finished with either a yes or angled upair at best, or another aerial at worst
if their DI is good then improvisation is required but it's not impossible to keep the combo going as all of falcon's aerials are good
if their DI is good then improvisation is required but it's not impossible to keep the combo going as all of falcon's aerials are good
ballin4life
Smash Hero
That didn't combo. Try it in training mode.
Also teganyavo you think it's easier to uair combo kirby/jiggs over yoshi?
fthrow/usmash will not work at all above 0% vs jiggs and even if you get them in an uair chain you either won't be able to finish with upB or they won't be high enough percent to die.
Same is true vs kirby but to a lesser extent
The Star King
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That post only reinforced my point about you seeming to have like no experience at all. Most people can tell pretty easily that it wasn't a true combo, most people would have escaped. As ballin4life said, try it in training mode, it definitely won't work.
Why are you guys talking about random zero->death combos, we all know that Falcon can 0->death every character in some way, shape, or form. What we were talking about was this ridiculous post:
I'll concede that Falcon can probably zero->death Jiggs with that combo with the help of TWO platforms, but that's really situational.
Hurray for spamming quotes.
EDIT: Going back to why we're talking about this in the first place, a bit back I said that you would get like 60% average if you Usmash Kirby at 0%, but that was really generous. Go to Dreamland and Usmash Kirby on a platform above you (because we were talking about beating Kirby's dair), you will actually usually get 60% MAXIMUM.
Situational... So what. There are lots of situations in hyrule and dreamland where you can use platforms to perform longer combos. And they work on Kirby. Not as much as heavy characters, but its still the easiest way to get kirby at high %.
If you can finish the combo with the up+b, you can send him quite far of the stage and try some edgeguarding strategies aswell.
Stop talking disrespectful stuff like "u dont have exp" and such bull. I hate idiots who disrespect people for having a different point of view. And they never seem to gtfo at all.
If you can finish the combo with the up+b, you can send him quite far of the stage and try some edgeguarding strategies aswell.
Stop talking disrespectful stuff like "u dont have exp" and such bull. I hate idiots who disrespect people for having a different point of view. And they never seem to gtfo at all.
Going for an up smash or grab vs Kirby is just asking for an up tilt or a down air.
Back air is by far the best move for Falcon to use vs Kirby and the only reason I see why this matchup isn't that bad for Falcon.
Fireblaster
Smash Lord
Why are people arguing with nixxxon's horrible opinions
Every move can be avoided or counterattacked and punished. With back air you can get dodged all day. You guys are suggesting to do predictable back airs to kirby all the time?NixxxoN said:
DMoogle
A$
In the purest form of the game, not true.
People seem to think predictable = bad, but that's not necessarily true either. It doesn't matter if you're predictable, as long as you aren't being exploited. This is basically the underlying idea behind the concept of camping.
People recommend b-airs because it's difficult to exploit with proper spacing.
^^^ And kirby's up tilt/down air/other dumb moves prevent falcon from most other moves. if the Kirby gets hit, quickly grab and combo.
its dumb but it works well enough
its dumb but it works well enough
...What about READING kirby's moves. Facing an opponent like kirby, with such devastating moves vs Falcon, implies you gotta try to read him and take risks in order to beat him.
spamming a non risky move all day and praying to be lucky --> yawn
spamming a non risky move all day and praying to be lucky --> yawn
nix, you do it while reading your opponent. as was said prior, it is not enough to spam bairs, you have to use good spacing.
anyhow, lets just say i do not agree with you on this.
SuPeRbOoM
Smash Master
lol who said kirby vs falcon had to be a fun matchup nixxxon
DMoogle
A$
I think it's a fun match-up for Kirby, and it's OK for CF.
NovaSmash
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heres how u beat a good kirby with captain falcon http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OL4gwf8s5uY
SSBPete
Smash Lord
has pivot fsmash been brought up yet? can be fairly useful.
well i know kirby is a terrible matchup for falcon, but still, you gotta have fun playing this game IMO
Unless its a tourney I wont be extremely careful and strictly do non risky moves. I like to try to read kirbys moves and **** him up with a very long uair combo.
But I guess everyone has its own point of view
Mahie
Smash Lord
uair combos aren't fun.
Also I'll have to agree with everybody else, sorry Nix, Bairs are much better against Kirby. So what if you get dodged, at least you don't get attacked either. A move with either benefits or no loss is a good move.
Also I'll have to agree with everybody else, sorry Nix, Bairs are much better against Kirby. So what if you get dodged, at least you don't get attacked either. A move with either benefits or no loss is a good move.
DemonicInfluence
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Your point of view, Nixxon, is probably going to win less games than bair spam. Sure, it might work sometimes, but bair spam is tried and true. So, it's probably not the best advice to give.
The Star King
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This thread was originally asking for advice for WINNING against Kirby. Nobody minds if you like playing for fun in friendlies, it's just that you shouldn't be giving that type of advice to somebody who wants to win. Get it?
rawrimamonster
Smash Ace
This is how I see it, half of this can really depend on stage you play on. Kirbys will hide at the sides and play ledges a lot on hyrule and on dreamland they're going to use more platforms and camp the air (i say this because most people refuse to play other stages because they fall apart anywhere else). In this battle I personally prefer peach's castle. Falcon's game in this match is mostly all in the air, the main platform give him space to get away, regroup and counter.
This gives you the ability to get under kirby more without the risk of getting drilled/bair to tilt as often as you would get hit by them on other stages. It is decently easy for falcon to get gimped if you **** up this is why you play the side of the stage the platform on the bottom is extending towards and never play around the edge like a dumb scrub.
More than anything this is a game of proper spacing if the kirby is good because simply put. A good kirby players abuse of his priority is terrifying. Like others said, poke with bairs and make him screw up. Properly place uairs when hes at mid percents then upB to get him off the stage quicker. Getting above him is a good idea too when hes not in a position to tilt. Since kirby is light you can start combos with a simple dair to fair etc.
tl;dr
dont try to combo kirby that much, build damage, poke at him to make him screw up, and get him off stage.
This gives you the ability to get under kirby more without the risk of getting drilled/bair to tilt as often as you would get hit by them on other stages. It is decently easy for falcon to get gimped if you **** up this is why you play the side of the stage the platform on the bottom is extending towards and never play around the edge like a dumb scrub.
More than anything this is a game of proper spacing if the kirby is good because simply put. A good kirby players abuse of his priority is terrifying. Like others said, poke with bairs and make him screw up. Properly place uairs when hes at mid percents then upB to get him off the stage quicker. Getting above him is a good idea too when hes not in a position to tilt. Since kirby is light you can start combos with a simple dair to fair etc.
tl;dr
dont try to combo kirby that much, build damage, poke at him to make him screw up, and get him off stage.
falcon will get ****ed up on peach's castle.
rawrimamonster
Smash Ace
if you only play close quarters and blindly charge in expecting grabs sure. stay away from edges and dont get lured into bairs and tilts and you're fine.
nope, he will just get ****ed up, of course there are better ways to play, but the stage is bad for him. peach's castle is gimping heaven.
Falcon is going to be gimped regardless of the stage, it is kirby after all.
I personally enjoy Peach's castle vs Kirby but that might be since it is my best Falcon stage. I find it easy to back air camp on the stage due to the double platform. The moving bottom portion of the stage also prevents kirby from camping down there, which is the main problem.
you feel peach's castle is better for falcon than dreamland?
Untrust Us
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what? falcon is capable of getting gimped like crazy in sector z. What i mean by gimped is not truly a 0% to death gimp but you can get played by kirby if the kirby has good air control and utilizes the lava to his/her advantage. Not to mention you can go through the stage so any chance of recovering is slim to none if you get hit by the lava and fly up only to get daired back down
sector z sucks anyways
sector z sucks anyways
dch111
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Sector Z is Fox's stage.
Vs Kirby, yes.
not what i meant, you said it was your best falcon stage, which i found surprising.
what makes kirby extra hard is knowing that even the smallest hit can lead into something not so good for falcon, you have to be extremly careful all the time and to me it's kind of exhausting
and we weren't responding to nixxon's comment about uair chain, it was to boom's post about falcon not being able to zero to death jiggs at all (which i doubt was any serious lul)
and we weren't responding to nixxon's comment about uair chain, it was to boom's post about falcon not being able to zero to death jiggs at all (which i doubt was any serious lul)
Ownasaurus
Smash Journeyman
I think it was brought up earlier. I've personally been punished enough though that I'm afraid to use it vs a good kirby player. What usually happens is fsmash and utilt cancel each other out, but falcon is in stun longer than kirby (or so it seems) and gets punished. Maybe I should only pivot an fsmash while kirby is in the air but at a low altitude? I guess I should space bair more cause falcon vs kirby is the matchup I need the most work on.