fighting kirby with falcon

[Crimson_Smasher]

hey all, my roommate plays a pretty solid kirby which i particularly have trouble with using falcon. Falcon's too easily juggled, down drilled when off the edge, and kirby's not very easily comboed because he's so floaty. Also short...the perfect enemy really. Any advice for this match up?

 

[DMoogle]

Use b-air a LOT. It's Falcon's safest and least exploitable move.

Simple... but it works.

 

[Skeletom]

kirby's u-tilt makes it a b*tch to do anything else.

 

[Fireblaster]

This is completely an uphill battle for falcon until you get kirby off the stage. You really have to dance around kirby keeping a safe distance (If he keeps hitting you, that's not a safe distance). Once he messes up and you know you can hit him, it should be simple enough to get a few hits to knock him off the stage and edgeguard him with b-air and reverse uair mixups.

 

[NixxxoN]

Play defensive, space a lot. Be aware of utilts and fsmashes. Try to upsmash kirby against his dair. Grab him when he messes up

 

[Fireblaster]

Try to upsmash kirby against his dair

This is good advice if you wanna lose against kirby.

 

[Gammelnorsk]

you must look inside of yourself for the answer

 

[NixxxoN]

This is good advice if you wanna lose against kirby.

With a good timing, falcon's uair beats kirby's dair.. (or maybe its only on the european version I'm not sure)

 

[KoRoBeNiKi]

I also enjoy using Falcon's pivot f-smash to space.

Use down tilts, up air combo when you can but never play overly aggressive. As A$ said, use a lot of back air.

 

[asianaussie]

Kirby ducks under F-Smash. It's really quite funny. Kirby's big shoes > Falcon's legs anyway.

U-Tilt is surprisingly useful with a touch of prediction.

 

[dandan]

I also enjoy using Falcon's pivot f-smash to space.

Use down tilts, up air combo when you can but never play overly aggressive. As A$ said, use a lot of back air.

i think pivot ftilt will do the spacing job with less risk, i also like to dash pivor sh nair for spacing.
and don't usmash the dair, too risky.

 

[ciaza]

I agree with Dandan, pivot ftilt > dash grab at low percents can make for an easy combo starter and hopefully easy edgeguard setup.

 

[The Star King]

With a good timing, falcon's uair beats kirby's dair.. (or maybe its only on the european version I'm not sure)

In your original post, you said usmash, now you say uair =/. But if you were talking about usmash, Kirby can easily bait Falcon's usmash and use midair jumps to dodge and proceed to absolutely destroy Falcon. Doing this has very little risk to Kirby, and many Kirby players are cautious by nature lol

 

[MATTS!]

Let the GOD MATTS! give you some advice. First off if you get caught in the "FOOT" (up-tilt)you lost. You pretty much have to master Falcon and the spacing almost perfect to beat a kirby, unless the kirby sucks.

If you can grab kirby with falcon, and rack up damage with the "easier than kirby up-tilt combo" the up-air that falcon does over and over in the air, than you have a chance to win.

One thing is, avoid the Drill and the U-TILT and you might have a chance. Spacing helps the best. Master spacing and hits and combos, and you will win.



The Great MATTS!

 

[Blue Yoshi]

Basically, in other words, if Kirby is on the ground, never go right above Kirby (or you will be hit by up-tilt). If Kirby is in the air, never go below Kirby (or you'll get hit by Dair... and don't even think of shielding it). So basically, always stay to the left or right of Kirby, and never go in the same vertical line as Kirby (unless Kirby's in the air and you're above Kirby... that's the only safe spot in the same vertical line as Kirby).

Try to hit him with the tip of your attacks (i.e. the fingers of his back-air, the toe of his forward-air/up-air). Never run into Kirby for a grab unless you hit him with something first, and you have enough time to grab him. Otherwise, he will up-tilt you, and as MATTS said, "if you get caught in the "FOOT" (up-tilt)you lost".

Also, learn how to smash DI. I have actually successfully smash DI'd out of Kirby's up tilt several times before (on the 64 controller, on console). If you can do that, you will reduce the amount of up-tilts that Kirby can do on you... which may save your stock (though you will still have high damage).

 

[Wenbobular]

As no one seems to have mentioned anything yet about edgeguarding vs Kirby...
Falcon's Uair is like the Thomas Tipman move of 64. Just face backwards and do that giant sweeping arch. Catch Kirby with the tail end of that move and he's sent at basically a 0 degree angle to his doom. Hit him with almost the end of it and he's still probably dead if he's used most of his jumps.
+1 for Falcon's spindly legs ****** everyone

Other than that, MATTS! basically summed it up.
If you're on Hyrule, never approach Kirby if he's in the box or camping the left side.
But if the Kirby is playing like that, he's kinda a jerk anyways.

I do think that UpSmash might beat out the drill, but you should only really use it if it looks like the Kirby is going to commit to something.

 

[Deleted member]

run in and up smash kirby when they don't expect it

up-air max amount possible then up-b

grab is good if they are facing the wrong way for some reason like a noob

up-smash might trade with d-air i haven't really done it since most kirbies suck and its not necessary

smash DI shouldn't work since kirbies can walk a tiny bit between each up tilt but the sad fact of the matter is that most kirbies suck and will only tilt in the same spot

 

[NixxxoN]

In your original post, you said usmash, now you say uair =/. But if you were talking about usmash, Kirby can easily bait Falcon's usmash and use midair jumps to dodge and proceed to absolutely destroy Falcon. Doing this has very little risk to Kirby, and many Kirby players are cautious by nature lol

Yep my bad i meant upsmash.
Kirby can do that except when he's run out of jumps. You can normally tell when you're gonna be baited and when the opponent's gonna throw a dair when having no jump left.

 

[The Star King]

What kind of Kirby player approaches people with no jumps left lol >_>

 

[KoRoBeNiKi]

What kind of Kirby player approaches people with no jumps left lol >_>

A kirby with no jumps trying to recover.

you asked, right :D

 

[smakis]

dont upsmash kirbys dair, both moves hit forcing falcon to tech, if you are unaware of this you might miss the tech and probably get techchased, if not kirby can simply jump out of any danger after getting upsmashed and if you tried to follow up after teching he would punish you after you miss

the only time upsmash is a decent option is if falcon is on lower % when the dair wont knock him over, if my memory serves me right falcon will hit with an angled uair even if kirby jumps, don't know if he can jump > dair out of it. Even if falcon can't follow up he still win out on dmg, since kirby only hit once with the dair.

best way to fight kirby is by abusing your bair and speed, keep your distance until you can punish then rush him, once you hit, dont let go =P

tl;dr

don't upsmash kirby's dair

 

[NixxxoN]

meh not always, i've beaten a dairing kirby with usmash plenty of times and I didnt get hit, but as i said maybe its only doable in euro version

What kind of Kirby player approaches people with no jumps left lol >_>

Duh when the guy is floating around, gets out of jumps and you get down him... what can he do? go down and let you hit him? or try a dair as the last choice?

 

[dandan]

meh not always, i've beaten a dairing kirby with usmash plenty of times and I didnt get hit, but as i said maybe its only doable in euro version



Duh when the guy is floating around, gets out of jumps and you get down him... what can he do? go down and let you hit him? or try a dair as the last choice?

who does that, maybe kirby noobs :S

 

[Wenbobular]

You're playing an inferior character ... sometimes you just have to have to read for it to work.
If you have it, it works and you get an UpSmash
If not ... well ...

 

[The Star King]

Duh when the guy is floating around, gets out of jumps and you get down him... what can he do? go down and let you hit him? or try a dair as the last choice?

So you're basically saying that the Kirby wastes all his jumps and "traps" himself for no reason, so then feel needs the dair the Falcon because his stupidity caused him to have no other option, and the Falcon gets a free Usmash without doing any work at all?

LOL

Not all Kirby players are complete noobs that's just a stereotype bro

 

[Battlecow]

I would seriously consider using another character. I main falcon, and those god**** kirbies **** me every time . That matchup is total shenanigans; the edgeguards get ridiculous really fast, and your combos are way less effective than they should be. Also Utilt kills more people per year than drunk driving. If you absolutely must falcon, the only advice I can give you is to space with that bair and DON'T GET HIT.

 

[NixxxoN]

So you're basically saying that the Kirby wastes all his jumps and "traps" himself for no reason, so then feel needs the dair the Falcon because his stupidity caused him to have no other option, and the Falcon gets a free Usmash without doing any work at all?

LOL

Not all Kirby players are complete noobs that's just a stereotype bro

Nope you dont really understand
All kirby players are different styles and levels, he didnt say fighting against a top pro kirby. I just said a situational example. With or without jumps you can get a upsmash into uairs when they do a dair. But it seems some people feel its too risky n they dont do it.

 

[dandan]

I would seriously consider using another character. I main falcon, and those god**** kirbies **** me every time . That matchup is total shenanigans; the edgeguards get ridiculous really fast, and your combos are way less effective than they should be. Also Utilt kills more people per year than drunk driving. If you absolutely must falcon, the only advice I can give you is to space with that bair and DON'T GET HIT.

DI works wonders for this matchup, both for getting out of the utilt and for surviving edgeguards.

 

[The Star King]

Nope you dont really understand
All kirby players are different styles and levels, he didnt say fighting against a top pro kirby. I just said a situational example. With or without jumps you can get a upsmash into uairs when they do a dair. But it seems some people feel its too risky n they dont do it.

You're right, I don't understand. Somebody asks for general advice in a certain matchup, and you gave what you admit to be situational advice, instead of stuff that works vs. most players. I don't get that at all.

 

[NixxxoN]

You're right, I don't understand. Somebody asks for general advice in a certain matchup, and you gave what you admit to be situational advice, instead of stuff that works vs. most players. I don't get that at all.

if you dont like the advice i dont care since you're the not the one asking

 

[smakis]

upsmash can beat out kirby's dair if you hit with the latter part of the hitbox, which seems to be slightly disjointed. Thing is upsmash is laggy, the kirby can bait it with a jump, and if kirby fastfalls the dair it gets pretty tricky hitting with it. The reward isn't great enough to warrant the risk of getting comboed to 80ish % possibly losing a stock.

 

[Wenbobular]

upsmash can beat out kirby's dair if you hit with the latter part of the hitbox, which seems to be slightly disjointed. Thing is upsmash is laggy, the kirby can bait it with a jump, and if kirby fastfalls the dair it gets pretty tricky hitting with it. The reward isn't great enough to warrant the risk of getting comboed to 80ish % possibly losing a stock.

The reward for your is usually a Uair chain into up-b ...
It's something that I do think you should be doing as Falcon to make sure Kirby doesn't get too comfy hovering a little above your head, because if he's in that area when Falcon starts his UpSmash he's most likely going to get hit because UpSmash comes out pretty fast

 

[The Star King]

if you dont like the advice i dont care since you're the not the one asking

<---------the point

<---------Nixxon's head


WHOOOSH THAT WAS A CLOSE ONE

Also, uair chains aren't as effective on Kirby as some other characters, but I get your point Wenbobular. I probably wouldn't risk vs a good player though.

 

[Wenbobular]

They aren't? Haha, yes they are. I'm pretty sure Falcon can link together Uair chains -> up-b consistently on basically everyone, because if Kirby's not going to get combo'd you shouldn't really be going to UpSmash

Frankly if you're not going to take risks you're never going to get anywhere near Kirby because all his hitboxes are so stupid big ... he's most vulnerable in the air in my opinion because he's a floaty and generally floaties don't want to be in the air because their falling speed isn't that hot so if you're going to attack him, it's probably at that point / he's for some reason above you on a platform

Fighting a grounded Kirby by jumping in with an aerial / dashdance grab is just asking to get hit by an UpTilt

 

[NixxxoN]

^
Agreed

Falcon can 0-death Jiggly via grab-uairs-up+b, and against kirby is easier to do than jiggly.

lets say 60% damage to say the least, yeah not effective -.-

 

[SuPeRbOoM]

falcon can zero to death jiggly? this is new nixxxon

 

[teganyavo]

Kirby ducks under F-Smash. It's really quite funny. Kirby's big shoes > Falcon's legs anyway.

U-Tilt is surprisingly useful with a touch of prediction.

Falcon can do a down-angled f-smash

MATTS! ended the thread already imo. learn to outspace and outmaneuver the kirby. Kirby is floaty enough that all you have to do really is combo him into one upsmash and as long as you dont screw up the 2-upair to yes routine its game over. Once you have kirby over the side you can just out-hitbox him with bidnesshand

edit: also, wenbobular brought up the angled up air. learn to use that constantly and without mercy

 

[ballin4life]

Falcon can barely combo kirby (usually 1 uair -> upB , 2 uairs max) and can't really combo jiggs at all. Fthrow and usmash are pretty ineffective against both. For super low % kirby you can start a uair upb combo but at mid percents you will get 1 uair and no upB at most

 

[The Star King]

^
Agreed

Falcon can 0-death Jiggly via grab-uairs-up+b, and against kirby is easier to do than jiggly.

Oh my god, have you ever played this game?

lets say 60% damage to say the least, yeah not effective -.-

60% is probably the average of what you'll get, not the least (and that's if you land it at 0%). What Kirby can do to you if you miss an upsmash is much more than what you do if you actually land it, and baiting the Usmash is pretty much risk-free for Kirby.

ballin4life knows what he's talking about.

 

[KoRoBeNiKi]

I think Falcon can 0 to death jiggs given enough platforms, with a combination of back airs and then a down air or possibly an up b at the end