FF6 Mafia - GAME OVER! Mafia wins!

[rPSIvysaur]

I mean, we told him not to roleblock...

 

[vanderzant]

Villans mafia. The slave crown was a day ability that was used on whoever is currently voting for that person.

Sketch all up in yo grill.

Cool.

If glg tells us his sketch thing worked, then it's highly likely that DH did target someone but is just saying he didn't to cover his bases.

If he'd said "well I targeted Swiss because he's always scum I don't know why it didn't work" then we'd know he was town.

Although I'm putting a lot of faith in BSL's town status. Don't know why mafia would need a tracker in the set up though, so I'm ok with him too.

 

[Swiss]

Didn't know who to roleblock. Nobody claimed anything that I would want to roleblock.

Simple as that.

You're joking, right?

Why not block me in case I were scum?

Why not block Vanz who HAS NO night actions that we know of?

There were so many people you could have blocked.

/rage

 

[vanderzant]

Ninja'd

I mean, we told him not to roleblock...

Oh did we? Must of missed that. Hmm

 

[BSL]

Well I don't really know, we haven't really scum hunted since we've been playing follow the cello.

Zen was mad quiet, so it'll be hard to get much from his posts.

true here. someone should iso read zen. i can do it, maybe? id rather someone else, just because someone else might be able to get more from it.

Cello seemed to think Zen was indy (not sure why), and that the scum team would be Seph/DH/Swiss/J

So maybe J is scum?

cello wasnt too hot on his read (ex: zen) but its a possibility. i want to go back and read their QT though.

DH is most likely scum, he loves doing that whole "viewing thread and not posting as scum" thing. Also, seeing as BSL tracked him, he's pretty sus because iirc he can use his roleblock only when scum is lynched, AND HE DIDN'T USE IT?? Don't wanna get caught targetting Cello/rPSI mirite?

ill agree with this. not because he didnt track, but because town having two roleblockers? that doesnt make much sense. but idk.

cello explicitly stated for DH to not target anyone, and i was only tracking him to make sure of it.

On that subject, we aren't sure if rPSI is vig as he could still be an indy. Most likely atm is 4 scum 11 town 1 indy... but it could quite possibly be 3 scum and other indys. Therefore, it will be essential to eventually have him idle while BSL tracks him. Ofc, this doesn't need to happen for a while as he's our best friend while mafia are still lurking, and he only becomes a threat when we kill 4 mafia and the game is still going.

sounds ok. dont reallly know what to say to this, except that it sounds like a good plan for when we need it.

So nabe is basically confirmed town because his power doesn't make sense for scum? I think.

well, no. it can make sense for scum. like, pick two guys who are town, get one guarunteed killed. like he did. or almost did. unless J isnt town, then he didnt. lol

Incom is the 1 shot mason recruit, who we now know is not an indy recruiter as his recruitee Cello flipped town.

he could be a nerfed burglar. the burglar (if im right about this) can recruit 3 people regardless of alignment, and their flips dont change. maybe this was a modified burglar with only 1 shot, instead of 3.

also, since cello is dead, he could be able to recruit another person. it is possible that he left that detail out.

Glg was a mason with seph scum, he also has that odd ability to stop night actions or something. So he should discuss that. Not sure about him, but it would be weird if both him and seph were scum (i.e. why would they claim masons??), so probably town... indy is a bit of a stretch.

wifom is the only thing i can think, so its negligible. since wifom ruins everything.

Swissy is probably a miller. People don't usually draw silly attention to themselves as mafia (though this is swiss we're talking about). He could be scum laughing at us, probs needs to die before lylo and obv needs to be tracked sometime to make sure he isn't doing anything a plain old miller shouldn't be.

dammit, swiss. why do you have to be so sneaky all the time?

the only way to find out if he is actually miller or just trolling us all is by killing him. bummer, right?
lets keep him around until he stops playing pro-town, i guess.

 

[BSL]

waaaaaaaah ninjas

 

[BSL]

wait, DH, you didnt roleblock.... not because you were told not to, but because you didnt know who to roleblock?

 

[vanderzant]

Ah ok then, I agree with Swiss that DH should of targetted SOMEONE, but it doesn't hurt or help his case per se.

@BSL: Cello specifically said he was 1 shot, so unless they were both in on it... you're right, but I would expect cello to flip "recruitee" or something. But I guess incom MAYBE could be lieing but it isn't all that likely. Good track target possibly.

And nabe's role really doesn't make sense for scum. It basically gives two people of his choosing a bullet proof status (and we now know Cello was town). For scum to take advantage of this role, they have to out one or more of there own to actually kill someone (to make the lynch uneven and thus cause a flush 7 lynch). Outing 1 scum for 1 townie lynch is never really worth it. He did it because he wanted J to die (and J is quite possibly scum).

 

[Swiss]

The only thing I got from ISO'ing Zen was that he KNEW MK was anti town (and so indy). Or was that the other way round? I forget.

/skimmed

content 2mo

 

[#HBC | Dark Horse]

Why not block me in case I were scum?

Why? I wouldn't be able to stop a maf nk (unless you're working alone). Ther would be no reason to roleblock you, except to raise suspicion.

Why not block Vanz who HAS NO night actions that we know of?

Why? It would do nothing except for cause minor suspicion on me.

 

[#HBC | Dark Horse]

wait, DH, you didnt roleblock.... not because you were told not to, but because you didnt know who to roleblock?

Both, actually.

 

[BSL]

actually, you can stop a mafia NK. if you block the person who sends the kill, then it doesnt go through.

 

[#HBC | Nabe]

Haven't read the thread at all yet, just doing some math.

9 players left. J has 3 MOD votes. We need to make sure he goes before toMorrow, meaning J is either our lynch or shot by rPsi. I'd like him lynched, because if DH is scum they can RB the kill and we'd be left with J toMorrow which is a no-no. We should take a vote on who rPSI needs to shoot, and take into consideration that there's a chance it won't go through. After that, J lynch.

Reading now.

 

[vanderzant]

Oh **** almost forgot about those mod votes.

Ironically, I could have already hammered him by myself and ended the day :D.

I think a J lynch would be best. Unless we want him to hammer DH, but having someone hammer DH is risky in itself, because they aren't likely to comply and it could mean an extra town death.

 

[#HBC | Nabe]

actually, you can stop a mafia NK. if you block the person who sends the kill, then it doesnt go through.

Possible scum slip. I don't think we have confirmation that mafia chooses who kills.

 

[#HBC | Nabe]

Alright, that was a quick read obviously.

No votes on J yet, he's already L-2. Someone throw together the list of claims again, and remind us who is cleared, partially even, and why. I have some reads I've promised in other games, and then I'll be back in here tonight to start isoing the **** out of all of you.

 

[vanderzant]

1. giraffelasergun: Mason/Can reverse abilities

-Basically clear on the WIFOM that why would he claim mason with his scum partner who was being lynched?

3. Inferiority: 1 shot mason recruiter

-Doubt he's recruiting scum at this point. Possible but highly unlikely

4. Dark Horse: Roleblocker/Bomb

-Will kill whoever hammers him

5. Nabe: 1 time extra lynch

-Role doesn't make sense for mafia

9. J: Voteblocking Lover

-Now a vanilla townie apparantely, also is at L-2 today and L-1 tomorrow. Cello seemed to think he was mafia, don't know really.

11. RocketPSIence: Vigilante/Serial Killer

-Could be vig, could be SK.

12. Vanderzant: Double Voter

-Is so cool

13. Swiss: Miller

-Could be scum, he was investigated and turned up guilty... but he claimed miller so urgh.

16. BSL: Tracker

-Cello said tracker doesn't make sense for indy, and I mostly agree.

***

Any questions?

 

[BSL]

Possible scum slip. I don't think we have confirmation that mafia chooses who kills.

when is it ever not?

 

[#HBC | J]

I wanna hammer DH pretty please. ;3c I actually made a post earlier today saying I need to die blahblahblah Kupo! Nabe's reasoning is flat out dumb though. He has only wanted me dead because of MOD votes which is frivilant and keeps detering scum-hunting for my lynch cuz at this point I'm pretty obvtown but Nabe's useless tunneling is bleck. My death will get rid of the bomb or mafiate member and help town.

@Town - Listen to Vandy 100%. Don't listen to Nabe. Everyone put DH at L-1, I'm hammering. GLG/InCom are town with Vandy, BSL is meh but I wanna say town. Nabe/Swissy make my stomach churn, an DH is most likely scum. If I forgot anyone then they obviously are blank in my mind. For the love of god jusst don't listen to Nabe x_x

@rPSI: If I somehow don't die from hammering, shoot me. Pleeeease, i'll give you cookies :3

@Vandy: You got this dude if you play your cards right. DO NOT RULE ANYONE OUT AS SCUM. Git rid of Swiss/Nabe ASAP if the game still goes on lynch BSL. Trust GLG/InCom. There are crumbs to who the mafia is. Find them. Now finish what Cello started.

Kupo!

(thank god I can finally die in this game AND for a just reason)

I am not to be lynched, I am to hammer DH.

@BSL: I don't need to tell ya who to track. *cough*

 

[#HBC | J]

Laggy DSi post FTW ;D

Kupo!

 

[vanderzant]

Ok then, if J wants to hammer DH we can find out if his ability is legit after all.

 

[#HBC | Nabe]

"obvtown". Oh gosh that's cute, that you think that.

Scenario: We lynch DH and J hammers and DH is a bomb etc.

Evaluation: 9 players right now. We lose 2 from the lynch, J and DH, 7 players remaining. We're talking about worst-case scenarios here, so let's assume neither is scum. Maximum of 2 scum remaining means we're in 6-mylo toMorrow, and 5-lylo if rPSI shoots too. If DH is scum, he's the scum RB, so in this scenario we are safe from that because we're lynching him, meaning rPSI's shot goes through unhindered, unless there's another ability we don't know about.


Scenario: We lynch DH, J hammers, but DH isn't really a bomb.

Evaluation: 9 players right now. If we lynch DH and J doesn't die, 8 players left. If DH didn't bomb J, rPSI would shoot J toNight, and he would die, leaving us at 6-mylo if neither J or DH was scum. If DH is scum, he's the scum RB, so in this scenario we are safe from that because we're lynching him, meaning rPSI's shot goes through unhindered, unless there's another ability we don't know about.



@DH: I'd like to hear your thoughts.

• By your best understanding of your role, would J hammering you toDay result in J's death?
• Do you think we should go through with this plan? (of J hammering you)
• Who do you think are the remaining scum?

@Swiss: Could you please do the same list Vand just did, but better?

 

[#HBC | Nabe]

@Vand: Explain to us again in detail what exactly your Morph ability does. Please paraphrase the flavour of why it's Morph, and use it as well if you feel now would be a good time. If there are any negative consequences to using it, please let us know those as well.

 

[#HBC | Nabe]

@DH: Please also elaborate on the flavour of your Wrexsoul restriction that you so casually mention in 1295.

 

[#HBC | Nabe]

@Mod: InCom hasn't posted since the 29th of November, saying that he had lost interest and was considering replacing out. Has he followed up on that?

Apologies for the multiposting, this is getting a little silly.

 

[#HBC | Nabe]

One more post why not.

@J: I was wrong, you are town. Reading some players in isolation has made this game painfully clear. I'll elaborate on this after I've had answers to the questions I've asked, but in general your alignment is proven by other players. It sucks about the bad blood between us; I still don't agree with any of your points at all, but it sucks that we don't get along.

@rPSI: Please provide your scum picks and reasoning for them.

@BSL: Can you please go into your flavour a bit? Why is your character a member of the town? rPSI and Swiss, feel free to answer this as well.

 

[Swiss]

DH's ability is legit. He'll kill J.

Mod confirmed (lol he's my buddy).

 

[vanderzant]

@Nabe, with your #1462... so what? I don't get where you're going or what you're... trying to say.

In terms of flavour, rofl I just googled Terra and got a link titled "Terra for Brawl!!!!"

http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=130979

^ Basically explains everything about her too.

 

[#HBC | Dark Horse]

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@DH: Please also elaborate on the flavour of your Wrexsoul restriction that you so casually mention in 1295.

What do you mean, elaborate on the flavor?

• By your best understanding of your role, would J hammering you toDay result in J's death?

• 
  
  Yes
  
  

  [*]Do you think we should go through with this plan? (of J hammering you)

  Sure, fine by me. I've hardly have enough time to continue.
  
  

  [*]Who do you think are the remaining scum?

My main suspect is Swiss, because:

1. He claimed miller. Maf would claim this if they know theyre going to be investigated
2. Kappa sounds like a safeclaim, I've never heard of it.
3. "X1 is town from my role pm", hinting that X1 wasnt posting in the maf QT.

@mod request votecount

 

[Swiss]

If DH thinks I'm scum, that basically clears me as town.

GLG, rPSI and DH are confirmed townies btw. Did I say this?

 

[BSL]

@BSL: Can you please go into your flavour a bit? Why is your character a member of the town? rPSI and Swiss, feel free to answer this as well.

no idea. ill look it up while im at school.

 

[Overswarm]

J (3) - MOD, MOD, MOD
With 9 alive, it takes 5 to lynch!
A deadline has been set for Wednesday, Dec. 15th, at 3:00 p.m.

 

[Swiss]

I'm precisely half way through a full read.

GLG, in your role PM, is your mason accountable as a day ability? Ask the mod. I'll ask him too. Tan was able to roleblock only during the day, and if mason chats weren't affected, then Nabe has is scum. It makes no sense to block Nabe's ability if he were town. If Nabe isn't scum, Vanz it. One of them is scum.

DH are you OK for J to hammer you toDay?

BSL who should hammer DH? Or should we lynch someone else?

 

[#HBC | Nabe]

3. "X1 is town from my role pm", hinting that X1 wasnt posting in the maf QT.

But X1 already died, and he flipped town. What are you even saying here?


@Vand: 1462 was an evaluation of J's idea of hammering DH. As for 1463, I'm not looking for an explanation of who Terra is, as I can certainly look that up myself. I'm looking for information from your role PM that clarifies why Morph would be an ability that does what you say that it does. I'd also like you to remind us of what it does, and inform us of any negative effects that come from using it.

@BSL: I'm only asking that you check out your PM.

@mod: Please prod InCom.

 

[#HBC | Nabe]

GLG, in your role PM, is your mason accountable as a day ability? Ask the mod. I'll ask him too. Tan was able to roleblock only during the day, and if mason chats weren't affected, then Nabe has is scum. It makes no sense to block Nabe's ability if he were town. If Nabe isn't scum, Vanz it. One of them is scum.

DH are you OK for J to hammer you toDay?

MK was Kefka, the "vote manipulator", J had voteblocking before X1's death, and there's also the slave crown which X1 got midDay. That's also not taking into account the possibility that scum isn't claiming another Day ability that they might possess. That's a fair amount of use out of a one-shot.

And DH already answered that question in the post 4 posts above yours (which you read enough of that you could comment on how his suspecting you makes you town).

 

[Swiss]

K.

What do you think of Vanz and BSL? (Quote if needed, I actually don't know this)

Up to page 20. Hurr durr.

 

[#HBC | Nabe]

Vand is scum. Wasn't planning on outing this stance until he answered my question, and until InCom got back in or got a replacement, but I am pretty much ready to move forward.

BSL is very likely town, but I would have to reevaluate this if Vand flips town.

Do you have an ability, Swiss? And are you planning to make that list I asked for after your read, or should I just go ahead and do it?

 

[Swiss]

I would love to see your list. I'll make one regardless. Lists seem to be the cool thing.

Explain why Vanz is scum.

 

[Swiss]

And I have no abilities other than being miller and having mod information.

 

[#HBC | Nabe]

4. Dark Horse: Roleblocker/Bomb

-Will kill whoever hammers him

Vand, please justify a lynch on DH. Lay out a case and tell us why he's scum.

I'd also like you to use your ability code.

I'd also like to hear why you put the Slave Crown on X1.