Falcon's Knee or Sheik's Fair

[Hullmo]

Okay so Sheik is my main and Falcon my secondary and I was just wondering which of these moves is more important to their overall game. Note before everyone starts getting too excited about the knee that I'm not asking what move is better; I'm asking which character would suffer more if that move were removed from their moveset. The reason I'm posting this here instead of in the Sheik or general discussion forums is that overall the people that post in here are generally more amusing then elsewhere as far as I can tell.

So remember, lets try to keep this at least semi serious for a couple of posts before everyone expressing their undying love for Falcon's knee, and him in general.

 

[Eaode]

In my opinion, I think te knee is better, but I think sheik would suffer more over the lose of the slap, mainly because I can't think of many other KO moves for sheik. Dsmash maybe? That again, Falcon doesn't have many other kill moves either.

':/

 

[Sinz]

They would both suffer very much. Sheiks overall moveset would be messed up(most of her moves lead to fair). CF cuold survive but would be low tiered. The knee is vital, it is sexy.

 

[Mcscruff]

sinz is right. most of CFs combos end with the knee. all of sheiks combos end with slap, or dsmash

 

[Zeee]

Shiek's Bair would be used as a KO
You rarely see an Usmash KO
Dsmash is sheiks KOer too
Uair for sheik too lol

Falcon would suffer more.
Unless you plan on Uairing or Bairing forever
Or maybe Diar to Fsmash like darkrain?

 

[Hullmo]

I was thinking more along these lines as well. Recently when I've been switching from one of these two to the other my timing is completely off at the beginning of the match (with the fair most of all). I expect that this will become less severe with practice but its still kind of useful to know which move it is more important to keep the timing for

 

[Kroy]

To answer Hullmo, both. Shiek's fair in all seriousness requires more precise timing than the knee. So, I would say Shiek's fair if I were to choose one. Learn both though.

To answer the question I would have to say Shiek would suffer the most. When playing Shiek or seeing Shiek played 90% of the time a Fair is what wins the stock/match, or atleast leads to an edgeguarding situation. It would really hurt her finishing potential.

For the CF side of the question, yes and no. Yes, if the player spams the knee, yes that would really hurt their game, but a more conservative Falcon wouldn't be hindered quite as much.

 

[technomancer]

This question is silly; what do you hope to learn from asking?

Both characters would suffer horrendously from the loss of any of their moves because they wouldn't have any kind of mixups and wouldn't be able to do crucial combos. You'd have to remake your whole strategy. Also, what are we talking about replacing them with? Or are you just going to leave both of them completely open from the front?

 

[Kroy]

Hey, techno why did you first say this is pointless, and then demand elaboration?

This like many other threads around the CF part of the forum, do not regard reason, or are by complete noobs who are too lazy to look stuff up. Purely hypothetical question, purely hypothetical answers.

 

[punisher47]

shiek would suffer the most but both would suffer if they lost the fair

 

[ximrekcuf]

Eh id say falcon suffers more only because sheik can always be zelda though zelda isnt such a high tier character. However in the case of just sheik i'd say sheik suffers more, falcon is somewhat playable without the knee, however TO ME, I THINK sheik is almost unplayable without the slap.

 

[Hullmo]

As I sort of made an attempt at explaining in my last post the point is that at this point in my playing I basically have a choice between getting good timing with the knee or keeping good timing with the slap. Since I'm not all that experienced I decided to ask the question here since I know that the people that answer are generally more experienced then I am (correct me if this isn't at least a part of the reason that the board exists). Sorry for wasting your oh so valuable time with a question that you could have just ignored.

 

[ShackDaddy]

i dunno, when i spam shffled bairs with sheik, i rarely get touched b/c of the reach and quickness of the attack. And upairs r easy to use for juggling.

 

[technomancer]

As I sort of made an attempt at explaining in my last post the point is that at this point in my playing I basically have a choice between getting good timing with the knee or keeping good timing with the slap. Since I'm not all that experienced I decided to ask the question here since I know that the people that answer are generally more experienced then I am (correct me if this isn't at least a part of the reason that the board exists). Sorry for wasting your oh so valuable time with a question that you could have just ignored.

It's not a problem, however, you really shouldn't base your choices off of just one move. Usually when somone posts a question like you posted, it's because they're looking to narrow down the game to its best moves and characters and spam them, and that makes for pretty bad gameplay; especially if they're not interested in specifics.

If you had asked questions on how to time both moves and how to fit them into combos, I would have been more than happy to give you an explanation, as well as some warnings not to get carried away etc. Being specific about what you want to learn, both on the boards and in the game, is the best way to improve.

 

[Hullmo]

Okay I see what you mean now.

Its not that I was trying to do what you sae this post as. I just know that these are both important moves and are also very similar in use and how they are done. So while I can develop most of my game with both of these characters I was having a bit of difficulty developing both of these moves. So I was asking this because I was wondering which it would be more important to develop.

Hopefully that clears up the reasoning behind it a little bit. Thanks for the help,

Morgan

 

[NeighborhoodP]

Falcon. As a Sheik main, I would just nair everything. nair and bair.

 

[purekorea]

I would say falcon because if Fair is taken away they would both have to rely on Bair as a finisher move and shiek's is the much more capable one.

 

[GamerGuitarist7]

falcon's knee is one of my favorite moves in the whole game. everything about it is awesome.


but shieks Fair is ugh. I don't want to praise it but its a good move to. especially when she dask attacks a falco (or falcon but i haven't had that used against my falcon too much) then jumps up and fairs him. frickin semi spikes + bad recovery.

 

[Patinator]

A good question, I must say. One must ask the already asked: Who would suffer more if the move was taken away?

Many of both characters' moves combo into their Fair. Both are their primary killers.

Both have semi-spike knockback. Falcon's kills at higher percents, Sheik's is quicker (But only slightly).

Falcon's does more damage, although normally this doesn't matter.

Most of those facts do not answer the question, though.

However, I'd say Falcon's is more important to their game. His only other killers are Dair, Fsmash, and rarely but still present, the Falcon Punch.

Sheik has her fair share of other KO moves. Tipped Up-Smash after Up Throw, combo and finish with CC D-Smash, U-Air, etc., and this doesn't even consider her Down B! ZELDA is the COMPLETE OPPOSITE of Sheik: slow and powerful. Zelda can be used as an alternate KO method. Fair, Bair, Uair, Fsmash, Dsmash, etc.!

Um wow. I typed that? Sheesh. Long post mode over for the night...

 

[unnknownz]

id say knee but they would both get hit.

 

[abit_rusty]

CF loses all epic/sexy/godly appeal with the loss of knee. Loss of knee = negative teir.

 

[Venom NY]

the KNEEE i dont have to read anything the knee is better its not faster but its almost as fast.

 

[abit_rusty]

the KNEEE i dont have to read anything the knee is better its not faster but its almost as fast.

OP asks who between those two characters would suffer more from losing their fair. I guess your answer can be interpreted to CF suffering more though

 

[Patinator]

Falcon loses half of his masculinity! Sheik, well... She's not feminine to begin with. So yeah! Loss of Knee for the EPIC loss. Nay, epic FAILURE!!!

 

[boss8]

they both suck play mario/doc

 

[Patinator]

Mario and Doc are pansies in the Fair department! Well, not quite Doc, but meh.

Knee pwns all! Except Marth's Fair. Ken Combo = Death.

Speaking of which, Smashwiki says Ken plays Falcon at a few matches. Even the king of smash can't resist the manliest Smasher around!

 

[boss8]

once falcon is off stage he's boned!!

 

[Patinator]

Yet Falcon is higher tier than the Italians...

I know, I know. To a point, tires don exits, but still. Mario/Doctor Mario vs. C. Falcon will normally result in Falcon's victory.