FALCON... Bluff!! - Is Falcon Punch Cancelable?

[Cheezey Bites]

So, this isn't gameplay footage, but watch the trailer again:

At 0:46 we see our favourite meme, but then something weird happens and at 0:48 he stops the attack mid-way and seemingly dodges Robin's ElWind.


Do you think this points to a new feature in the game? Do you think Falcon will be able to stop his Falcon Punch half way and potentially use it as a risky bait? Do you think such a mechanic would help him or have any use competatively?

Or, do you think this is more likely just a stylistic choice for the trailer and in reality means nothing?


Personally I hope it's real, I don't know how useful it'd be, but if nothing else it would let us cut some of that lag if we slip the directional stick.

 

[Raetah]

Actually if that is the case i wonder if you can use it as a bait, Falcon... Nope, Grab! MindGames from 20XX.

 

[Morbi]

It is cancel-able if you get hit by an attack.

But seriously, I doubt it. As you mentioned, it was not game-play and therefore it is not indicative of in-game options.

 

[Cheezey Bites]

Yeah, but imagine how cool it would be if it was!

Also I've named the potential technique the Falcon Bluff, not the Falcon Nope!

 

[RCyclone]

I'm fairly certain it was just for the trailer, unless they make it one of his custom moves which would be a great idea!

 

[Pyra]

If we're going to take the trailer literally for CFalcon's moves, that would mean he would have a counter that would stun someone long enough to pull of a Falcon PAAAAAAAAAWNCH (He countered her sword and kicked her, making her stumble long enough for him to do it if he weren't interrupted).


I don't think it'll be a Falcon Bluff. But that would be cool.

 

[Ragna22]

Let's put it this way, I'm pretty sure you can't break Link's clawshot like Pit did in Palutena's trailer.

 

[HugoBoss]

Show me your custom moves

 

[Cheezey Bites]

Yeah, it's probably just style, I think we can all agree on that, but with Bamco on the balancing team I don't thinks it's infeasable, and I guess I'm just hopeful to see The Punch get some use in competitive play...

I'd say it's <10% of actually being a thing, but god-damn do I want it to be a thing!

 

[-TAG-]

Falcon Punch cancelable? As cool as that may be, we're better off hoping he has armor for the damn move.

 

[Z1GMA]

Naah.. Paul Phoenix has patents on canceling Super Punches.

 

[Masonomace]

*Cancels the Falcon start-up saying Falcon. . .*
*pops up a bento box & says Lunch!*

But in all seriousness basing the video off anything game-play wise, C.Falcon appears to be balanced with a counterattack, a cancel able Falcon Punch, 2v1 easily, stronger neutral game trading, & opens a mean can of woop ass.

 

[cypher_]

It'd be awesome if it were, or if it were chargeable like DK's punch, but I don't think it will be

 

[Cheezey Bites]

Falcon Punch cancelable? As cool as that may be, we're better off hoping he has armor for the damn move.

I'm pretty sure that'll be a customisable option, and probably either a faster version or a dash version... I guess the neutral will probably just be balanced... But we I can still hope, damnit!

 

[OwenMaster]

So, this isn't gameplay footage, but watch the trailer again:

At 0:46 we see our favourite meme, but then something weird happens and at 0:48 he stops the attack mid-way and seemingly dodges Robin's ElWind.


Do you think this points to a new feature in the game? Do you think Falcon will be able to stop his Falcon Punch half way and potentially use it as a risky bait? Do you think such a mechanic would help him or have any use competatively?

Or, do you think this is more likely just a stylistic choice for the trailer and in reality means nothing?


Personally I hope it's real, I don't know how useful it'd be, but if nothing else it would let us cut some of that lag if we slip the directional stick.

They might do that but if they don't I think the falcon punch will be really buffed but slowed down because in the trailer it was kind of slow

 

[Mario & Sonic Guy]

It's probably just a trailer-only ordeal, and you can't cancel the Falcon Punch at all. In other words, think twice before using it against anyone who has a counter move.

 

[Cheezey Bites]

It's falcon punch, you sshould think twice about using it against anyone with a roll!

 

[The21stSmasher]

Hm, just hopefully...

 

[StaffofSmashing]

The trailer follows game logic. ElWind was fired downwards as we also see in the trailer, so maaaaaybe. Could it work like in Smash Flash where if you press B again, it cancels? We may never know... no we'll know when the game comes out.

 

[Uffe]

I was thinking about this earlier when I first saw the trailer. It sure would be awesome if you could cancel it.

 

[ImaClubYou]

Once you use Falcon Punch there's no going back.

You must commit to that decision, which in this case, is always right.

Cancelable Falcon Punch is a sin worthy of eternal damnation in New York City during a high budget movie scene.

 

[Masonomace]

Once you use Falcon Punch there's no going back.

You must commit to that decision, which in this case, is always right.

Cancelable Falcon Punch is a sin worthy of eternal damnation in New York City during a high budget movie scene.

Agreed. Falcon needs that Wavebounce 360 Paunch. Mindgames to the max!

 

[Superyoshiom]

I dunno, maybe you can cancel it. Remember when Sakurai was talking about buffing the Falcon Punch for 1v1 matches?

 

[Raetah]

Let's put it this way, I'm pretty sure you can't break Link's clawshot like Pit did in Palutena's trailer.

Breaking tether grabs-recoveries, future metagame incoming.

 

[Ragna22]

Breaking tether grabs-recoveries, future metagame incoming.

That's one way to nerf Link, Toon Link and Samus.

 

[Deleted member]

It'd be nice, but I don't see it happening. Maybe it's just for the trailer.. ? Don't know, really.

 

[Gallowglass]

I notice this on the second look at the trailer. It seems like something Sakurai would pull. Its like showing Game & Watch or Dark Pit in other videos but giving no reference to them afterwards.

On a separate note I like that Sakurai mentions on Miiverse that he was wondering about a new F-Zero game. Been too long!

 

[Xinc]

It'd be an interesting maneuver, but not so sure how that works on his approaches other than punishing rolls/counter.

 

[Ray_Kalm]

The developers should really add gimmicks like the mentioned in the opening post to not only increase the potential of more competitive mindgames, but the uniqueness it brings to this fighter game.

 

[Jaedrik]

Dude, if the punch was immediately cancel-able at any point without any lag the mind games would be SO real.

 

[IceColdSoda]

That WOULD be a cool mechanic. Though i'm not sure how it would be balanced well.

 

[Cheezey Bites]

Well, I think it would be pretty balanced as is given how risky Falcon Punch is already, but if there was a need to nerf the cancel slightly you could have a point-of-no-return, and maybe a few frames of lag after the cancel and it would balance pretty well imo.

Like take Melee's Falcon Punch for instance, it's 99 frames long and hits on frame 52; if you could only cancelled between frame 10 and 44 (the period where there's a visual indicator that he's charging), and there was say a 4 or 5 frame reset before he could throw the next move that would give the opponent a clear window of opportunity and time to react if they haven't committed fully, but still allow Falcon to Bait and Punish with the move with an effective 11 frame grab (4 frame to reset + 7 frames to hit) if someone goes for it... slow-ish, so it's not broken, but with mind games up the wazzoo.

 

[Wonks]

I thought about this, too! I thought I was the only one...!
Sakurai's trailers often reveal more than first-perceived, and this would add a new element in Falcon's repertoire--I could see this happening.

 

[Hong]

If you could cancel it, it would offer similar mind-games as Focus Attacks in SF4. Those times where you think they'll cancel it, and they don't. Only Captain Falcon would have gall that deep.

 

[Ultinarok]

Once the Falcon Punch has begun, it is irreversible. To attempt to stop such an uncontrollable surge of energy from being actualized is akin to allowing a nuclear reactor to endlessly react and chain until it undergoes catastrophic meltdown, only on a scale approximately 333 times more explosive and reality-bending, such that holding back the Falcon Punch would actually MURDER everything on screen in a bloody display due to the incredible surge of energy no longer being contained in Falcon's fist of destruction. The flaming falcon motif is actually the punch creating enough force to replicate the molecular structure and complexity of life itself, thus the punch actually gives birth to an avian during its moment of emission. To cease the production of that life by cancelling the punch then, is also an abortion, which seems rather immoral. Thus, not only would having a cancellable Falcon Punch bend the very nature of reality and murder thousands, it would also genocide thousands of unborn flame falcons over time. It is truly a sin beyond one's wildest imagination. You cannot cancel a Falcon Punch, for the sake of the known world, and for the sake of Falcon's foes.

Captain Falcon will always prevail, once B has been pressed.