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Welcome to Smashboards dude!!! There is still hope for Mewtwo as there is strong belief that the leaked roster is not final. We have two more weeks to go. Don't lose hope!
Now I'm not gonna go into why your disscussions have been a waste of everyones time....cause we all know why they have been. But you're seriously wasting space by posting "Hi I'm back" to this forum. Post something worth everyones time.hi guys, i am back!
do you want me to post my original post?
Editing your post doesn't abscond you of trolling.
Just report his useless posts and move on. It's what Im doing.
I've been thinking that for awhile. If he's in, I don't think he'll be revealed prior to the release date. Same goes for Bowser Jr; I think they'll keep that sixth character hidden for people to discover on their own, and reveal other characters (like Duck Hunt Dog or perhaps Ridley) before release instead.
Yeah I agree. Imagine playing the game and suddenly you get the newcomer screen. Its Mewtwo. You unleash the hype and everyone in a 6km radius dies.
Mewtwo's too hype inducing to not be revealed. If he came alongside Ridley, the internet would explode.
Only 6 KM?
was thinking psystrike could be his side and barrier would be his down b. keep shadow ball and teleport though!Mewtwo should come back because he has an unique moveset and is one of the coolest Pokemon
His normal B can be psystrike and his down B barrier.
exclusive move is exclusive.Would making Barrier his regular shield make him too OP, or hinder him? Think how Yoshi has his egg that doesn't decrease in size, and covers his entire body. That was one of the things I was pretty disappointed didn't get incorporated into his moveset, that he didn't get the cool glowing defensive orb around his body like in the movie, not even as an aesthetic touch to his regular shield.was thinking psystrike could be his side and barrier would be his down b. keep shadow ball and teleport though!
but yes thats another reason.
I made this a while back for PsystrikeMewtwo should come back because he has an unique moveset and is one of the coolest Pokemon
His normal B can be psystrike and his down B barrier.
The internet's going to explode once the roster is leaked in Japan, no matter who's in it.
no idea. but its mewtwo. he should NEVER be nerfed too much. regrettably, he was kinda nerfed in melee.... i was hoping for more of a psychic powerhouse.
Okay...
Zelda also has 4 starting characters with one hidden.
I'm sure that Toon Link wouldn't be a default character. He's probably unlockable along with Ganondorf.
If the roster image that was leaked by the Japanese e-shop is correct, Toon Link is starter.
That's true, but maybe Zelda has Impa. Doubt it though.
I'm fairly sure that this roster picture was just made to show the currently announced characters.If the roster image that was leaked by the Japanese e-shop is correct, Toon Link is starter.
Its missing Lucina but yeah, I doubt that is the starting roster. Far too large.
Except Lucina is missing.
LIQUID12A
and @
ミスティック Speed
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ミスティック Speed
's post. Don't complain, Speed. Go take some speed and feel better C:
Let's break your questions down then:
Then let's break down these oddities:
Because psychics and poses and mystical meditation rituals, oh my. I don't know either. Maybe he meditates when he's not competing in Project M.
I came from school and a friend in a chatroom spoiled it for me, so we're in the same position.
Blue is something associated with water and to a lesser extent the sky, so some of the more XY-savvy viewers could have guessed Greninja from the second shot of Water Shuriken charging. And if the third shot didn't give you away with the water droplets coming from it, well, that's the biggest surprise to anyone. Mewtwo has no moves(that he'd sensibly use) that glow blue at any point, except Aura Sphere, which belongs to Lucario in Sm4sh. I watched the trailer knowing Greninja was in, and there are way too many clues in retrospect that give away Greninja, but like @
ミスティック Speed
ranted about a few pages ago and killed me over it, Greninja's body looks...off.
= Shadow Ball/= Confusion//= Teleport= Disable out of 5 & 1/2 out of 5 out of 5 out of 5 out of 5
ミスティック Speed
may as well stay the same in the mix of his Melee & Project M speed overall with running, walking, falling, & jumping speed. There's not much to say about mediocre all-around movement. Speed in the air as his aerial mobility however should be high up there with his great jump ability with improved horizontal mobility. Speed also ties in with Weight of how fast he is in the air with his given weight, being slightly above thanks to the game's engine boosting everyone's faster game-play. Not much to say here.
LIQUID12A
& @Omnireader read my Mewtwo SSB4&5 wishlist. It's speggtacular right?
I doubt there will be one. Lose credibility due to the embargo or wait 2 weeks? No one would risk it. Although if they did I wouldn't be opposed to it. I just need to know!
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The original legendary Psychic Pokemon and low tier in Melee has very big chances to make it in Super Smash Bros for Nintendo 3DS and Wii U. Do you not believe us? Keep reading.
General Evidence:
-Most requested character in Japan.
-Most requested character according to a recent Miiverse poll after Snake.
-Popularity spike before and during SSB4's development with movies, Mega Evolutions and specials.
-Planned for all Smash Bros. games including 64 and Brawl.
Common counter arguments:
#1-Clone of Lucario
THE most common "argument" to Mewtwo's exclusion. This argument is the equivalent to Ridley's "too big" argument. Both Mewtwo and Lucario were planned for Brawl as Mewtwo is part of the Forbidden 7(unfinished character data), and there exists no concrete evidence that Lucario was to replace him. Other "facts" to this argument like similar moves, similar builds are irrelevant.
#2-Irrelevant in recent years/not popular
This argument is bogus because he's not irrelevant at all. Before SSB4's development, Mewtwo got a (controversial) movie centering around it and the legendary Pokemon Genesect, titled Extremespeed Genesect in Japan, as well as a prequel to said movie which also featured Mega Mewtwo Y. During SSB4's development, Pokemon: The Origins, which features both Charizard(included in Smash 4) and Mewtwo, came to exist and was used to promote Pokemon X Y Versions. In X and Y, Mewtwo gets version specific Mega Evolutions, the only other Pokemon to do so besides Charizard(who gets Mega Charizard X as his Final Smash). So no, Mewtwo is not irrelevant at all.
#3-Greninja trailer deconfirmed him
One of the more common arguments and the most debatable. Here's an argument debated by @
Original post by LIQUIDFGC
I just thought of something:
And yes, I am stealing from @
He ranted on the fact that Greninja's model was altered to fool us. I'd like to say something to that point:
GRENINJA HAS PECTORALS FOR SOME REASON
(yes, that's my ipad, 2lazy to go to computer)
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I mean seriously, look at it upside down and it looks like an upper chest with pecs and all. Don't give me "it's his butt" or something like that. Greninja clearly knows how to use that Protean ability to preform temporary metamorphosis, since he's aware of the humans recording him in poor lighting conditions. He had many fooled.
TLDR: My perception of things is interesting.
Chain of replies to Golden Yuiitusin on the matter, starting with him:
Let's break your questions down then:
Then let's break down these oddities:
Because psychics and poses and mystical meditation rituals, oh my. I don't know either. Maybe he meditates when he's not competing in Project M.
I came from school and a friend in a chatroom spoiled it for me, so we're in the same position.
Blue is something associated with water and to a lesser extent the sky, so some of the more XY-savvy viewers could have guessed Greninja from the second shot of Water Shuriken charging. And if the third shot didn't give you away with the water droplets coming from it, well, that's the biggest surprise to anyone. Mewtwo has no moves(that he'd sensibly use) that glow blue at any point, except Aura Sphere, which belongs to Lucario in Sm4sh. I watched the trailer knowing Greninja was in, and there are way too many clues in retrospect that give away Greninja, but like @
First off, NO WEBBING BETWEEN FINGERS. I don't care if Greninja's Protean ability lets it do stuff, but you can clearly see that there is no webbing between his fingers when he begins charging Water Shuriken, and it looks suspiciously like Mewtwo's render from Melee:![]()
Upon further analysis, that makes no sense.
Now, look at Greninja's bottom, or if you look at it upside down, "chest".
To some extent, yes, it looks super exaggerated and could be a hint to Femtwo but what do I know, but Mewtwo is a humanoid 'Mon, after all, and as such is has humanly features like a chest. Like I said, looks exaggerated, but hey, I can dream, can't I?
#4-Not shown in prevalent leaks
Uh-huh. How many of the major credible leaks have shown requested characters like Ridley? Gematsu didn't. The roster leak didn't. The only "leaks" to Mewtwo's inclusion/exclusion are from wonky sources. Thus, they should be discredited.
#5-Too much competition
Right. Competition. Only viable competitor at this point in time is the odd Sceptile. Zoroark and Genesect are Pokeball summons. More details below.
Other facts:
List composed by @Omnireader and continuously updated:
I'll take care of this.1. Mewtwo was planned to be in Smash 64 and Brawl. King Dedede and Bowser were planned in Smash 64 as well. All three were playable during development, but were cut before release. Mewtwo wasn't present in Brawl as a playable character due to technical difficulties and time restraints.
Link to source: http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=122504575&postcount=428
2. With the release of Pokemon X and Y, his popularity has spiked. He even got new forms. He was also the only Pokemon besides Charizard to get 2 separate Mega forms.
3. There was a recent movie "Genesect and the Legend Awakened" where Mewtwo was a main character. Another recent anime appearance was in "Pokemon Origins" as the last pokemon Red caught. The latter may be a bit too recent to be considered as evidence, though.
4. During an interview involving Pokemon X and Y, someone asked "Is there a possibility that these new forms of Mewtwo will be included in the new Smash Brothers game?" Sakurai was in the audience and replied, after some hesitation, "We are thinking about it." This interview took place after the entire roster had been decided already. Other than this, there hasn't been a single hint of Mewtwo's involvement in Sm4sh.
Full article here: http://www.gamnesia.com/news/mewtwo-may-return-in-next-smash-bros#.U91btPldW3g
5. Mewtwo did not make an appearance in the Greninja trailer as one of the background Pokemon. Surely if Mewtwo wasn't a playable character, he would at least make an appearance in the game in some form. Sakurai has also acknowledged that there are Pokemon in Sm4sh that did not appear in that trailer.
Also relating to the Greninja trailer: Greninja's silhouette was altered during the trailer to deceive viewers. Suspiciously altered to somewhat match Mewtwo's anatomy. There's no way to confirm if this was intentional or not. Either way, Sakurai is very much aware of Mewtwo's popularity and doing this was more than likely a tease.
This is the said "Greninja Trailer" if you have not seen it yet:
6. All of Mewtwo's other competition for playable characters have been pretty much eliminated. (further explained in #9) The "6 Pokemon Slots" theory is taken into account here. If there are going to be 6 or more Pokemon characters, Mewtwo's chances can be considered 100%.
7. In a recent popularity poll, Mewtwo was voted #2 in a list of the top 100 Pokemon. Charizard being #1.
Here's a link to the poll: http://www.ign.com/top/pokemon
8. There was also a recent Miiverse poll asking fans what veterans they wanted to return to the next game. These were the results:
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9. Mewtwo has little competition outside of the oh-so-relevant Zoroark, the similarly promoted Genesect, and the theorized Grass starter Sceptile. The former two have been shown in trailers and Pokeballs respectively, thus deconfirming them. Sceptile has the "Grass, Water, Fire Theory" going for it plus "Omega Ruby" and "Alpha Sapphire" coming out, but it's a long stretch.
If I missed any good points. Someone feel free to point them out. I will definitely consider adding them to the list.
Mewtwo for Sm4sh!!!
I hope for this post to be moved to the first page. I plan on continually updating it.
Comment by Director Masahiro Sakurai on Mewtwo's inclusion in 2013:
June 18 2013 by Tyler Meehan
Mewtwo was once seen as the ultimate Pokémon -- not only was he the final monster to be found in the original games, he also had the most backstory of any Pokémon at the time and received several large roles in the anime and movies. It's little wonder, then, that he appeared as an unlockable character in Super Smash Bros. Melee. Fans of his unique abilities and fighting style for that game were disappointed to find him missing in Brawl, and they have since been clamoring for Mewtwo's return. This possibility was made more likely given his recently revealed new forms for Pokémon X and Y, and now Sakurai may have added more fuel to the fire.![]()
At last week's Pokémon X and Pokémon Y Developer Roundtable, one of the attendees managed to ask about Mewtwo's new form and his chance at appearing in the next Smash Bros. Sakurai was apparently in the audience; according to the reporter, he 'looked as if he were thinking, "Oh man, not this again!" after the question was asked.' That still didn't stop him from giving his own answer to the question:
After a brief moment of silence, Ishihara and Masuda answered by saying they don’t have anything to announce about the new Pokémon (Mewtwo’s new form) today, and that they can't speak on its appearance in other games. Sakurai then shouted out, from the audience, "We are thinking about it."
What do you think? Would you be excited to see the 'Genetic Pokémon' return toSuper Smash Bros., or would you prefer they bring in a representative of newer generations? If Mewtwo did return, would you want his moveset to be updated, or should they stick with his Melee abilities? Let us know in the comments, and be sure to check out how we think Mewtwo should work in the next Smash!![]()
- See more at: http://www.gamnesia.com/news/mewtwo-may-return-in-next-smash-bros#.VAHl4PldUzl
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@Xiivi I've done the work for you. I implore you to edit this into the first page whenever you can, please.
Everyone use the @
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You would think so yes, but can yoi imagine how hard it is to contain huge secrests regarding a game like smash
these two weeks will be one of the longest weeks in their life haha. I think there will be a someone who can't suppress his need to leak :D i'm just hoping that that chosen one is out there.
I don't think they will leak after what happened to that employee...You would think so yes, but can yoi imagine how hard it is to contain huge secrests regarding a game like smash
Then again, it would be smarter if he/she didn't if they still love theor jobs
