EVO 2018 Discussion Thread for Smash 4

Iridium · Aug 3, 2018

Not really much of an upset (someone alert me), but kept

2-1 Razo

to move in winners for day 2.

Phil Time · Aug 4, 2018

Cap'n Jack said:
Is ZeRo competing?

ZeRo said that he is taking a break from competitions.

Furthermore, ZeRo said that it is very unlikely that ZeRo enters competitions for Super Smash Bros. Ultimate.

TDK · Aug 4, 2018

Pools R2 rundown and thoughts:

Winners:
ANTi

vs Yuzu

Raito

vs Stroder*

Losers:
Raw

vs Crash

Jesus

vs Fabian

Taternator

vs Momo Ari

Harlonga

vs Zyro

Volatility: Low
Standout set: ANTi vs Yuzu

*Stroder might self-DQ on account of hand pain.

An ANTi/Raito WFs for this pool seems somewhat inevitable, honestly. Yuzu's very good but I have difficulty seeing him beat someone on the level of ANTi, though it is possible, and if Stroder does DQ then Raito quite literally has a free ride through his first round. Harlonga vs Taternator sounds like an interesting set from a character perspective, but it's heavily unlikely to be streamed due to there only being one smash 4 stream. Also worth noting is one of Tatornator/Momo Ari/Harlonga/Zyro is garaunteed 49th or higher assuming Stroder DQs.

If Stroder doesn't DQ, this pool becomes more interesting, but I would still pretty strongly favour Raito unless AZ has a good DH I don't know about. Harlonga vs Stroder could be interesting and something I could see Harlonga taking, considering he apparently gave Captain Zack a run for it earlier.

Winners:
Lima

vs Lea

ESAM

vs Phoenix

Losers:
Tag

vs Tarn

Meteor

vs Dakpo

Ven

vs Joaji

Gabe

vs Captain Andrew

Volatility: Low-Medium
Standout Set: Lima vs Lea

I am very excited to possibly see Lima vs Lea on stream, if they decide to do it. Lea is most likely the best Greninja right now, and I doubt Lima has any real Greninja practice unless Salem's still got his Gren around, and Lea's been shown to be capable of taking sets of players around or above Lima's level. ESAM vs Phoenix is less exciting, but Phoenix could, in theory, do it, but if Lea upsets Lima I could also see him upsetting ESAM. There's also a runaway chance of one or more of Meteor/Dakpo/Captain Andrew scoring an upset (more likely vs Lea if Lima wins, apparently Greninja-Sonic is fairly bad for Gren), although this is reduced somewhat by Meteor and Dakpo having to play each other. Lima vs ESAM will very likely go to ESAM.

As an aside, this is a horrible pool to be a Zelda main in.

Winners:
Elegant

vs Ozone

Tyroy

vs VaLoR

Losers:
Yep

vs Lopez

Pow

vs iDK

TLTC

vs York

FredFredBurger

vs Cotty2Hotty

Volatility: Very Low
Standout Set: Elegant vs Ozone

If WFs of this pool isn't Elegant vs Tyroy, I will be shocked. Not that Ozone and VaLoR aren't really good, but the difference seems a lot bigger than the other pools overall. Upset potential probably lies in either Pow or TLTC taking out whoever gets knocked out of winners (remember when TLTC beat Kirihara?), but that also seems pretty unlikely.

Winners:
Larry Lurr

vs Diablo

Kameme

vs Snoop

Losers:
Moonshine

vs Halcyon

Frawg

vs Mellow

Vash

vs JTreezy

Mago_FFF

vs Fonzie

Volatility: Low-Medium
Standout Set: Larry Lurr vs Diablo

Most of the upset potential in this pool comes from having 4 good players of characters that can very easily cause upsets - Ryu, Bayo, Mac, and Bowser. Granted, only one of these is still in winners and Mago and Vash have to play each other before they can try and score an upset, most likely. Diablo vs Larry is one of the more likely picks for a WR1 upset across the whole tournament just due to the nature of that matchup. Snoop could also maybe do it, but it's much less likely, especially considering Kameme has a Yoshi too and thus knows the character. Also worth noting is Frawg, who could potentially knock out Diablo if Larry beats him.

Winners:
Abadango

vs Extra

Shuton

vs Eon

Losers:
Terabite

vs PoisonHealth

, winner plays Tetsuyalol

K9Sbruce

vs K0rean

RvRProduct

vs Cagt

Volatility: High
Standout Set: Abadango vs Extra

Oh man, I am excited for this one. Four very high level players, a dark horse pick in Extra (who I could definitely see beating Aba), and two good macs? Realistically, any combination of the four players in winners making it to WFs wouldn't surprise me too much. K9 vs Cagt is interesting, even more so because whoever wins plays one of Shuton/Eon for 65th. Overall, this is going to be a good one.

Winners:
Komorikiri

vs Nicko

Ally

vs JK

Losers:
Juice :4bayontta2: vs RoninTheRose

, winner plays Nanchan

AEMehr

vs Lt. Surge

MageOfSymphonia

vs Hamza

Volatility: Medium
Standout Set: Ally vs JK

I find it highly unlikely that Komo goes Cloud vs Nicko over Sonic, which hurts this pool's volatility score a little, but Ally vs JK could probably go either way, and on the losers side, Nanchan could probably upset Nicko if they fought. Mage and AEMehr are both solid players but I can't really see either of them beating one of Ally or JK.

That's not PA Juice.

Winners:
Choco

vs Zenyou

Falln

vs Kiki

Losers:
Dreagune

vs Gamegenie222

, winner plays PSIguy

Navi

vs Zean

IANB Xero

vs Slaps

Volatility: Low
Standout Set: Choco vs Zenyou

Choco vs Zenyou better be streamed. That's... really all I have to say about this one. The only other real coin toss would be whichever one of those two Falln fights, since him vs Zenyou would probably run pretty even but him vs Choco probably wouldn't.

Winners:
VoiD

vs Brosinex

Captain L

vs Lui$

Losers:
Probeans

vs _SEBA_

, winner plays Vyral

Jumpsteady

vs Arkistor

Jabe

vs MastaMario

Volatility: Medium
Standout Set: Captain L vs Lui$

This one'll be cool. Brosinex and Lui$ could both feasibly upset the other two, and I kinda want to see Captain L's Puff vs Lui$'s Mario since I just love watching that puff. VoiD vs Captain L could go either way, although Captain L did 3-0 Mr. R recently. There's also no less than three decent to good SoCal players in losers, and Vyral is one of the better MX Rosas, so it won't be a free ride for whoever falls out of winners.

Winners:
CaptainZack

vs Kept

Nietono

vs Ki

Losers:
B7Games

vs AzteKZZz

, winner plays Vermillion

Promaelia

vs Zan

Drystan

vs Silverfox

Volatility: Medium
Standout Set: Captain Zack vs Kept

Villager vs DLC ;~;

Really though, while the winners matches are probably a lot more stable than some above, there's actually a fair amount of potential killers in losers, especially for Kept since Cloud, Corrin, Bayo and Palu are all pretty bad matchups, so if Kept loses to Zack he's going to have it rough regardless. There's probably six players that could make it out in losers even if everything goes right in winners.

Winners:
Cosmos

vs Bedgar/El Cobrador

Suinoko

vs Konga

Losers:
Paper

vs HeroOfWinds

, winner plays ThatOneRider

Stitch

vs Bucket

AMac

vs Twan

Volatility: Medium-High
Standout Set: Cosmos vs Bedgar

oh man, this is another winners group that could end with any combination of the four players in WFs. Bedgar beating Cosmos is very well within the realm of possibility (I could see Bedgar making top 16 with the right bracket), and Suinoko is very good as well, though it's still more likely for Konga to come out there. This pool has a surprising lack of potential killers in losers, though, so it's very likely that it'll be Cosmos/Bedgar/Konga moving on at the end of it.

Winners:
Mistake

vs Strike

Vinnie

vs Ac

Losers:
The Weasel

vs KY

, winner plays el

Kentarosu

vs Dragon

Luka

vs Granny Smith

Volatility: Low
Standout Set: Mistake vs Strike

I do think there's an outside chance of Strike beating Mistake. He beat RAIN yesterday, and while Mistake is certainly a different calibre of player than RAIN, it shows that it is possible. Maybe. I hope so, anyways. Vinnie vs Ac is more even, but if I had to predict I'd say Vinnie. Once again, there isn't a lot of really noteworthy players in losers, with Dragon probably being the best player there.

Winners:
Salem

vs Dynamo

Mr. E

vs BestNess

Losers:
Miiself

vs Jaller

, winner plays Globo

Scourgemom

vs Jank!?

Kicker

vs Adorable Knight

Volatility: Very Low
Standout Set: Mr. E vs BestNess

There really isn't any real room for notable upsets here. Mr. E vs BestNess is probably going to be the closest relevant set here, but Salem's going to win this one very handily.

Winners:
MVD

vs Karna

, winner plays Nairo

Losers:
SM

vs Kyle Young

, winner plays Coco

, winner of that plays BaSK 3xA

Z

vs Moonboyjosh

Chrispyking

vs Domo

Volatility: Very Low
Standout Set: MVD vs Karna

This is the worst pool format known to man. That is all. Karna could beat MVD, but they're both probably losing to Nairo (although I'd give Karna the better shot). I have no idea which Z that is, either.

Winners:
Shky

vs Charlie

, winner plays Dabuz

Losers:
Zion

vs Ty

, winner plays Low Expectations

, winner of that plays RAIN

SMiLE

vs Widget

Van

vs Kazuki

Volatility: Low
Standout Set: Shky vs Charlie

Shky vs Charlie could go either way, but Dabuz is very likely going to beat anyone who he could fight. There's a small chance of RAIN knocking out Shky/Charlie, though, so I guess that counts for something.

Winners:
Takera

vs Tyrant

, winner plays KiraFlax

(yes)

Losers:
ImHip

vs Bran

, winner plays ViibeS

, winner of that plays R1HKami

Zoan

vs BlastForCat

Namata

vs Gohan

Volatility: Very Low
Standout Set: Takera vs Tyrant

So, because of Tweek dropping out and the veritable pool floating here, KiraFlax makes top 48 regardless of how his set goes, without having to really play at all. Yay. It's funny how the set right before it has two much more threatening players that have to play an extra set because they floated the winner of Tweek's pool to garaunteed top 48. Outside of Takera vs Tyrant, there's really, which is why I have enough time to bemoan this pool format instead of talking about the players.

Winners:
Static Manny

vs NAKAT

, winner plays crow

Losers:
S2H

vs Urameshi

, winner plays Dekussbu

, winner of that plays Razo

Shadow

vs PiXL

Lba

vs Nineball

Volatility: Low-Medium
Standout Set: Static Manny vs NAKAT

See the above pool. crow takes Leo's spot and has a free ride to top 48 regardless of the result, without even having to play a set beforehand like everyone else. This pool has slightly more good playersi n it though, so it's at least a little more interesting. I will point out that Razo has possibly the worst choice of three players/characters known to man, but that's about it.

Game7a1 · Aug 4, 2018

TDK said:
Pools R2 rundown and thoughts:

Winners:
ANTi vs Yuzu
Raito vs Stroder*

Losers:
Raw vs Crash
Jesus vs Fabian
Taternator vs Momo Ari
Harlonga vs Zyro

Volatility: Low
Standout set: ANTi vs Yuzu

*Stroder might self-DQ on account of hand pain.

An ANTi/Raito WFs for this pool seems somewhat inevitable, honestly. Yuzu's very good but I have difficulty seeing him beat someone on the level of ANTi, though it is possible, and if Stroder does DQ then Raito quite literally has a free ride through his first round. Harlonga vs Taternator sounds like an interesting set from a character perspective, but it's heavily unlikely to be streamed due to there only being one smash 4 stream. Also worth noting is one of Tatornator/Momo Ari/Harlonga/Zyro is garaunteed 49th or higher assuming Stroder DQs.

If Stroder doesn't DQ, this pool becomes more interesting, but I would still pretty strongly favour Raito unless AZ has a good DH I don't know about. Harlonga vs Stroder could be interesting and something I could see Harlonga taking, considering he apparently gave Captain Zack a run for it earlier.

Winners:
Lima vs Lea
ESAM vs Phoenix

Losers:
Tag vs Tarn
Meteor vs Dakpo
Ven vs Joaji
Gabe vs Captain Andrew

Volatility: Low-Medium
Standout Set: Lima vs Lea

I am very excited to possibly see Lima vs Lea on stream, if they decide to do it. Lea is most likely the best Greninja right now, and I doubt Lima has any real Greninja practice unless Salem's still got his Gren around, and Lea's been shown to be capable of taking sets of players around or above Lima's level. ESAM vs Phoenix is less exciting, but Phoenix could, in theory, do it, but if Lea upsets Lima I could also see him upsetting ESAM. There's also a runaway chance of one or more of Meteor/Dakpo/Captain Andrew scoring an upset (more likely vs Lea if Lima wins, apparently Greninja-Sonic is fairly bad for Gren), although this is reduced somewhat by Meteor and Dakpo having to play each other. Lima vs ESAM will very likely go to ESAM.

As an aside, this is a horrible pool to be a Zelda main in.

Winners:
Elegant vs Ozone
Tyroy vs VaLoR

Losers:
Yep vs Lopez
Pow vs iDK
TLTC vs York
FredFredBurger vs Cotty2Hotty

Volatility: Very Low
Standout Set: Elegant vs Ozone

If WFs of this pool isn't Elegant vs Tyroy, I will be shocked. Not that Ozone and VaLoR aren't really good, but the difference seems a lot bigger than the other pools overall. Upset potential probably lies in either Pow or TLTC taking out whoever gets knocked out of winners (remember when TLTC beat Kirihara?), but that also seems pretty unlikely.

Winners:
Larry Lurr vs Diablo
Kameme vs Snoop

Losers:
Moonshine vs Halcyon
Frawg vs Mellow
Vash vs JTreezy
Mago_FFF vs Fonzie

Volatility: Low-Medium
Standout Set: Larry Lurr vs Diablo

Most of the upset potential in this pool comes from having 4 good players of characters that can very easily cause upsets - Ryu, Bayo, Mac, and Bowser. Granted, only one of these is still in winners and Mago and Vash have to play each other before they can try and score an upset, most likely. Diablo vs Larry is one of the more likely picks for a WR1 upset across the whole tournament just due to the nature of that matchup. Snoop could also maybe do it, but it's much less likely, especially considering Kameme has a Yoshi too and thus knows the character. Also worth noting is Frawg, who could potentially knock out Diablo if Larry beats him.

Winners:
Abadango vs Extra
Shuton vs Eon

Losers:
Terabite vs PoisonHealth , winner plays Tetsuyalol
K9Sbruce vs K0rean
RvRProduct vs Cagt

Volatility: High
Standout Set: Abadango vs Extra

Oh man, I am excited for this one. Four very high level players, a dark horse pick in Extra (who I could definitely see beating Aba), and two good macs? Realistically, any combination of the four players in winners making it to WFs wouldn't surprise me too much. K9 vs Cagt is interesting, even more so because whoever wins plays one of Shuton/Eon for 65th. Overall, this is going to be a good one.

Winners:
Komorikiri vs Nicko
Ally vs JK

Losers:
Juice vs RoninTheRose , winner plays Nanchan
AEMehr vs Lt. Surge
MageOfSymphonia vs Hamza

Volatility: Medium
Standout Set: Ally vs JK

I find it highly unlikely that Komo goes Cloud vs Nicko over Sonic, which hurts this pool's volatility score a little, but Ally vs JK could probably go either way, and on the losers side, Nanchan could probably upset Nicko if they fought. Mage and AEMehr are both solid players but I can't really see either of them beating one of Ally or JK.

That's not PA Juice.

Winners:
Choco vs Zenyou
Falln vs Kiki

Losers:
Dreagune vs Gamegenie222 , winner plays PSIguy
Navi vs Zean
IANB Xero vs Slaps

Volatility: Low
Standout Set: Choco vs Zenyou

Choco vs Zenyou better be streamed. That's... really all I have to say about this one. The only other real coin toss would be whichever one of those two Falln fights, since him vs Zenyou would probably run pretty even but him vs Choco probably wouldn't.

Winners:
VoiD vs Brosinex
Captain L vs Lui$

Losers:
Probeans vs _SEBA_ , winner plays Vyral
Jumpsteady vs Arkistor
Jabe vs MastaMario

Volatility: Medium
Standout Set: Captain L vs Lui$

This one'll be cool. Brosinex and Lui$ could both feasibly upset the other two, and I kinda want to see Captain L's Puff vs Lui$'s Mario since I just love watching that puff. VoiD vs Captain L could go either way, although Captain L did 3-0 Mr. R recently. There's also no less than three decent to good SoCal players in losers, and Vyral is one of the better MX Rosas, so it won't be a free ride for whoever falls out of winners.

Winners:
CaptainZack vs Kept
Nietono vs Ki

Losers:
B7Games vs AzteKZZz , winner plays Vermillion
Promaelia vs Zan
Drystan vs Silverfox

Volatility: Medium
Standout Set: Captain Zack vs Kept

Villager vs DLC ;~;

Really though, while the winners matches are probably a lot more stable than some above, there's actually a fair amount of potential killers in losers, especially for Kept since Cloud, Corrin, Bayo and Palu are all pretty bad matchups, so if Kept loses to Zack he's going to have it rough regardless. There's probably six players that could make it out in losers even if everything goes right in winners.

Winners:
Cosmos vs Bedgar/El Cobrador
Suinoko vs Konga

Losers:
Paper vs HeroOfWinds , winner plays ThatOneRider
Stitch vs Bucket
AMac vs Twan

Volatility: Medium-High
Standout Set: Cosmos vs Bedgar

oh man, this is another winners group that could end with any combination of the four players in WFs. Bedgar beating Cosmos is very well within the realm of possibility (I could see Bedgar making top 16 with the right bracket), and Suinoko is very good as well, though it's still more likely for Konga to come out there. This pool has a surprising lack of potential killers in losers, though, so it's very likely that it'll be Cosmos/Bedgar/Konga moving on at the end of it.

Winners:
Mistake vs Strike
Vinnie vs Ac

Losers:
The Weasel vs KY , winner plays el
Kentarosu vs Dragon
Luka vs Granny Smith

Volatility: Low
Standout Set: Mistake vs Strike

I do think there's an outside chance of Strike beating Mistake. He beat RAIN yesterday, and while Mistake is certainly a different calibre of player than RAIN, it shows that it is possible. Maybe. I hope so, anyways. Vinnie vs Ac is more even, but if I had to predict I'd say Vinnie. Once again, there isn't a lot of really noteworthy players in losers, with Dragon probably being the best player there.

Winners:
Salem vs Dynamo
Mr. E vs BestNess

Losers:
Miiself vs Jaller , winner plays Globo
Scourgemom vs Jank!?
Kicker vs Adorable Knight

Volatility: Very Low
Standout Set: Mr. E vs BestNess

There really isn't any real room for notable upsets here. Mr. E vs BestNess is probably going to be the closest relevant set here, but Salem's going to win this one very handily.

Winners:
MVD vs Karna , winner plays Nairo

Losers:
SM vs Kyle Young , winner plays Coco , winner of that plays BaSK 3xA
Z vs Moonboyjosh
Chrispyking vs Domo

Volatility: Very Low
Standout Set: MVD vs Karna

This is the worst pool format known to man. That is all. Karna could beat MVD, but they're both probably losing to Nairo (although I'd give Karna the better shot). I have no idea which Z that is, either.

Winners:
Shky vs Charlie , winner plays Dabuz

Losers:
Zion vs Ty , winner plays Low Expectations , winner of that plays RAIN
SMiLE vs Widget
Van vs Kazuki

Volatility: Low
Standout Set: Shky vs Charlie

Shky vs Charlie could go either way, but Dabuz is very likely going to beat anyone who he could fight. There's a small chance of RAIN knocking out Shky/Charlie, though, so I guess that counts for something.

Winners:
Takera vs Tyrant , winner plays KiraFlax (yes)

Losers:
ImHip vs Bran , winner plays ViibeS , winner of that plays R1HKami
Zoan vs BlastForCat
Namata vs Gohan

Volatility: Very Low
Standout Set: Takera vs Tyrant

So, because of Tweek dropping out and the veritable pool floating here, KiraFlax makes top 48 regardless of how his set goes, without having to really play at all. Yay. It's funny how the set right before it has two much more threatening players that have to play an extra set because they floated the winner of Tweek's pool to garaunteed top 48. Outside of Takera vs Tyrant, there's really, which is why I have enough time to bemoan this pool format instead of talking about the players.

Winners:
Static Manny vs NAKAT , winner plays crow

Losers:
S2H vs Urameshi , winner plays Dekussbu , winner of that plays Razo
Shadow vs PiXL
Lba vs Nineball

Volatility: Low-Medium
Standout Set: Static Manny vs NAKAT

See the above pool. crow takes Leo's spot and has a free ride to top 48 regardless of the result, without even having to play a set beforehand like everyone else. This pool has slightly more good playersi n it though, so it's at least a little more interesting. I will point out that Razo has possibly the worst choice of three players/characters known to man, but that's about it.

The Juice in pool J305 plays Bayonetta. Low Expectations plays Ryu.
Widget is Skylar (G&W).

Iridium · Aug 4, 2018

TDK said:
Pools R2 rundown and thoughts:

Winners:
ANTi vs Yuzu
Raito vs Stroder*

Losers:
Raw vs Crash
Jesus vs Fabian
Taternator vs Momo Ari
Harlonga vs Zyro

Volatility: Low
Standout set: ANTi vs Yuzu

*Stroder might self-DQ on account of hand pain.

An ANTi/Raito WFs for this pool seems somewhat inevitable, honestly. Yuzu's very good but I have difficulty seeing him beat someone on the level of ANTi, though it is possible, and if Stroder does DQ then Raito quite literally has a free ride through his first round. Harlonga vs Taternator sounds like an interesting set from a character perspective, but it's heavily unlikely to be streamed due to there only being one smash 4 stream. Also worth noting is one of Tatornator/Momo Ari/Harlonga/Zyro is garaunteed 49th or higher assuming Stroder DQs.

If Stroder doesn't DQ, this pool becomes more interesting, but I would still pretty strongly favour Raito unless AZ has a good DH I don't know about. Harlonga vs Stroder could be interesting and something I could see Harlonga taking, considering he apparently gave Captain Zack a run for it earlier.

Winners:
Lima vs Lea
ESAM vs Phoenix

Losers:
Tag vs Tarn
Meteor vs Dakpo
Ven vs Joaji
Gabe vs Captain Andrew

Volatility: Low-Medium
Standout Set: Lima vs Lea

I am very excited to possibly see Lima vs Lea on stream, if they decide to do it. Lea is most likely the best Greninja right now, and I doubt Lima has any real Greninja practice unless Salem's still got his Gren around, and Lea's been shown to be capable of taking sets of players around or above Lima's level. ESAM vs Phoenix is less exciting, but Phoenix could, in theory, do it, but if Lea upsets Lima I could also see him upsetting ESAM. There's also a runaway chance of one or more of Meteor/Dakpo/Captain Andrew scoring an upset (more likely vs Lea if Lima wins, apparently Greninja-Sonic is fairly bad for Gren), although this is reduced somewhat by Meteor and Dakpo having to play each other. Lima vs ESAM will very likely go to ESAM.

As an aside, this is a horrible pool to be a Zelda main in.

Winners:
Elegant vs Ozone
Tyroy vs VaLoR

Losers:
Yep vs Lopez
Pow vs iDK
TLTC vs York
FredFredBurger vs Cotty2Hotty

Volatility: Very Low
Standout Set: Elegant vs Ozone

If WFs of this pool isn't Elegant vs Tyroy, I will be shocked. Not that Ozone and VaLoR aren't really good, but the difference seems a lot bigger than the other pools overall. Upset potential probably lies in either Pow or TLTC taking out whoever gets knocked out of winners (remember when TLTC beat Kirihara?), but that also seems pretty unlikely.

Winners:
Larry Lurr vs Diablo
Kameme vs Snoop

Losers:
Moonshine vs Halcyon
Frawg vs Mellow
Vash vs JTreezy
Mago_FFF vs Fonzie

Volatility: Low-Medium
Standout Set: Larry Lurr vs Diablo

Most of the upset potential in this pool comes from having 4 good players of characters that can very easily cause upsets - Ryu, Bayo, Mac, and Bowser. Granted, only one of these is still in winners and Mago and Vash have to play each other before they can try and score an upset, most likely. Diablo vs Larry is one of the more likely picks for a WR1 upset across the whole tournament just due to the nature of that matchup. Snoop could also maybe do it, but it's much less likely, especially considering Kameme has a Yoshi too and thus knows the character. Also worth noting is Frawg, who could potentially knock out Diablo if Larry beats him.

Winners:
Abadango vs Extra
Shuton vs Eon

Losers:
Terabite vs PoisonHealth , winner plays Tetsuyalol
K9Sbruce vs K0rean
RvRProduct vs Cagt

Volatility: High
Standout Set: Abadango vs Extra

Oh man, I am excited for this one. Four very high level players, a dark horse pick in Extra (who I could definitely see beating Aba), and two good macs? Realistically, any combination of the four players in winners making it to WFs wouldn't surprise me too much. K9 vs Cagt is interesting, even more so because whoever wins plays one of Shuton/Eon for 65th. Overall, this is going to be a good one.

Winners:
Komorikiri vs Nicko
Ally vs JK

Losers:
Juice vs RoninTheRose , winner plays Nanchan
AEMehr vs Lt. Surge
MageOfSymphonia vs Hamza

Volatility: Medium
Standout Set: Ally vs JK

I find it highly unlikely that Komo goes Cloud vs Nicko over Sonic, which hurts this pool's volatility score a little, but Ally vs JK could probably go either way, and on the losers side, Nanchan could probably upset Nicko if they fought. Mage and AEMehr are both solid players but I can't really see either of them beating one of Ally or JK.

That's not PA Juice.

Winners:
Choco vs Zenyou
Falln vs Kiki

Losers:
Dreagune vs Gamegenie222 , winner plays PSIguy
Navi vs Zean
IANB Xero vs Slaps

Volatility: Low
Standout Set: Choco vs Zenyou

Choco vs Zenyou better be streamed. That's... really all I have to say about this one. The only other real coin toss would be whichever one of those two Falln fights, since him vs Zenyou would probably run pretty even but him vs Choco probably wouldn't.

Winners:
VoiD vs Brosinex
Captain L vs Lui$

Losers:
Probeans vs _SEBA_ , winner plays Vyral
Jumpsteady vs Arkistor
Jabe vs MastaMario

Volatility: Medium
Standout Set: Captain L vs Lui$

This one'll be cool. Brosinex and Lui$ could both feasibly upset the other two, and I kinda want to see Captain L's Puff vs Lui$'s Mario since I just love watching that puff. VoiD vs Captain L could go either way, although Captain L did 3-0 Mr. R recently. There's also no less than three decent to good SoCal players in losers, and Vyral is one of the better MX Rosas, so it won't be a free ride for whoever falls out of winners.

Winners:
CaptainZack vs Kept
Nietono vs Ki

Losers:
B7Games vs AzteKZZz , winner plays Vermillion
Promaelia vs Zan
Drystan vs Silverfox

Volatility: Medium
Standout Set: Captain Zack vs Kept

Villager vs DLC ;~;

Really though, while the winners matches are probably a lot more stable than some above, there's actually a fair amount of potential killers in losers, especially for Kept since Cloud, Corrin, Bayo and Palu are all pretty bad matchups, so if Kept loses to Zack he's going to have it rough regardless. There's probably six players that could make it out in losers even if everything goes right in winners.

Winners:
Cosmos vs Bedgar/El Cobrador
Suinoko vs Konga

Losers:
Paper vs HeroOfWinds , winner plays ThatOneRider
Stitch vs Bucket
AMac vs Twan

Volatility: Medium-High
Standout Set: Cosmos vs Bedgar

oh man, this is another winners group that could end with any combination of the four players in WFs. Bedgar beating Cosmos is very well within the realm of possibility (I could see Bedgar making top 16 with the right bracket), and Suinoko is very good as well, though it's still more likely for Konga to come out there. This pool has a surprising lack of potential killers in losers, though, so it's very likely that it'll be Cosmos/Bedgar/Konga moving on at the end of it.

Winners:
Mistake vs Strike
Vinnie vs Ac

Losers:
The Weasel vs KY , winner plays el
Kentarosu vs Dragon
Luka vs Granny Smith

Volatility: Low
Standout Set: Mistake vs Strike

I do think there's an outside chance of Strike beating Mistake. He beat RAIN yesterday, and while Mistake is certainly a different calibre of player than RAIN, it shows that it is possible. Maybe. I hope so, anyways. Vinnie vs Ac is more even, but if I had to predict I'd say Vinnie. Once again, there isn't a lot of really noteworthy players in losers, with Dragon probably being the best player there.

Winners:
Salem vs Dynamo
Mr. E vs BestNess

Losers:
Miiself vs Jaller , winner plays Globo
Scourgemom vs Jank!?
Kicker vs Adorable Knight

Volatility: Very Low
Standout Set: Mr. E vs BestNess

There really isn't any real room for notable upsets here. Mr. E vs BestNess is probably going to be the closest relevant set here, but Salem's going to win this one very handily.

Winners:
MVD vs Karna , winner plays Nairo

Losers:
SM vs Kyle Young , winner plays Coco , winner of that plays BaSK 3xA
Z vs Moonboyjosh
Chrispyking vs Domo

Volatility: Very Low
Standout Set: MVD vs Karna

This is the worst pool format known to man. That is all. Karna could beat MVD, but they're both probably losing to Nairo (although I'd give Karna the better shot). I have no idea which Z that is, either.

Winners:
Shky vs Charlie , winner plays Dabuz

Losers:
Zion vs Ty , winner plays Low Expectations , winner of that plays RAIN
SMiLE vs Widget
Van vs Kazuki

Volatility: Low
Standout Set: Shky vs Charlie

Shky vs Charlie could go either way, but Dabuz is very likely going to beat anyone who he could fight. There's a small chance of RAIN knocking out Shky/Charlie, though, so I guess that counts for something.

Winners:
Takera vs Tyrant , winner plays KiraFlax (yes)

Losers:
ImHip vs Bran , winner plays ViibeS , winner of that plays R1HKami
Zoan vs BlastForCat
Namata vs Gohan

Volatility: Very Low
Standout Set: Takera vs Tyrant

So, because of Tweek dropping out and the veritable pool floating here, KiraFlax makes top 48 regardless of how his set goes, without having to really play at all. Yay. It's funny how the set right before it has two much more threatening players that have to play an extra set because they floated the winner of Tweek's pool to garaunteed top 48. Outside of Takera vs Tyrant, there's really, which is why I have enough time to bemoan this pool format instead of talking about the players.

Winners:
Static Manny vs NAKAT , winner plays crow

Losers:
S2H vs Urameshi , winner plays Dekussbu , winner of that plays Razo
Shadow vs PiXL
Lba vs Nineball

Volatility: Low-Medium
Standout Set: Static Manny vs NAKAT

See the above pool. crow takes Leo's spot and has a free ride to top 48 regardless of the result, without even having to play a set beforehand like everyone else. This pool has slightly more good playersi n it though, so it's at least a little more interesting. I will point out that Razo has possibly the worst choice of three players/characters known to man, but that's about it.

In pool K306, I'm pretty sure ViibeS uses Meta Knight (I remember his old tag, Twisted Jokerr), as I see him use Meta Knight on stream pretty much all of the time.

The Z in K304 uses Pikachu, as I believe you expected.

Lord Dio · Aug 4, 2018

Good lord
barely begun and zenyou and choco go last game last hit

TDK · Aug 4, 2018

Yuzu

> ANTi

Let's go!

Iridium · Aug 4, 2018

TDK said:
Yuzu > ANTi

Let's go!

VaLoR

2-0 Tyroy

, so no Elegant vs. Tyroy.

Diablo

2-0 Larry Lurr

(he must hate this MU).

toonito · Aug 4, 2018

Diablo

2-1 Larry Lurr

Iridium · Aug 4, 2018

komorikiri

2-1 Nicko

in the closest set I have seen so far. He moves on in winners, up against Ally

.

Lord Dio · Aug 4, 2018

falln 2-1 choco, choco in losers
oof

Iridium · Aug 4, 2018

Nanchan

2-0 Nicko

. Nicko is out before top 48, at 65th.

ANTi

2-0 Stroder

. Stroder is out at 49th.

Yonder · Aug 4, 2018

Shuton 2-0 Abadango! (Bayo both rounds)

Use that Mewtwo next time

Iridium · Aug 4, 2018

Eon beats both K9 (65th) and Extra (G&W, 49th) to make it to top 48.

The_Bookworm · Aug 4, 2018

Diablo beats Kameme. Doesn't display the score, but Diablo is on fire!

The_Bookworm · Aug 4, 2018

Also: Ally beats komorikiri. He is also on fire too!

MercuryPenny · Aug 4, 2018

diablo

beat kameme

2-1 btw

Iridium · Aug 4, 2018

Lea

2-0 Phoenix

to make top 48!

I also just realized something. If Choco

and Larry Lurr

win their first round of losers, then they will play for 25th. That hurts for both sides.

MarioManTAW · Aug 4, 2018

Apparently...
Ki

> Nietono

Suinoko

> Konga

PiXL

> Manny

The_Bookworm · Aug 4, 2018

MarioManTAW said:
Apparently...
Ki > Nietono
Suinoko > Konga
PiXL > Manny

The Ryu's and Mario's are going off this tournament.

Also, Lima

beats ESAM

.

Iridium · Aug 4, 2018

Vermillion

2-0 kept

(out at 65th). He got the worst luck ever, also losing to Captain Zack

, winning no games. Nietono beat him to make top 48, though.

The_Bookworm · Aug 4, 2018

Strike

2-0 AC

AC is out at 49th.

MercuryPenny · Aug 4, 2018

MVD

2-1 Nairo

let's gooooooo

Lord Dio · Aug 4, 2018

wait what mr e beat salem okayyyyyyy

MarioManTAW · Aug 4, 2018

crow

> NAKAT

El Cobrador

> Konga

Looks like the Winners Finals could be interesting, with Dabuz now the only top 5 player still in Winners. Also, only one of Nairo or Salem can make top 12, with the two of them fighting each other for 13th if neither is upset first.

Questionmark222 · Aug 4, 2018

Have the semifinals started yet? If so who's left? I didn't watch the pools at all but I just logged into Twitch and apparently we're still through Round 2 of pools.

Iridium · Aug 4, 2018

Questionmark222 said:
Have the semifinals started yet? If so who's left? I didn't watch the pools at all but I just logged into Twitch and apparently we're still through Round 2 of pools.

Pools have not finished yet, so no for now.

Questionmark222 · Aug 4, 2018

Iridium said:
Pools have not finished yet, so no for now.

Ok thanks!

Iridium · Aug 4, 2018

https://liquipedia.net/smash/EVO/2018/Wii_U

To anybody here, if smash.gg is too slow, go here to get results. It works a lot better.

The_Bookworm · Aug 4, 2018

Notable Players out Earlier:
49th: AC

49th: Brosinex

49th: Dynamo

49th: Vermillion

49th: Konga

49th: Kiki

49th: 3xA

49th: Ozone

49th: Slither2Hunter

49th: Stroder

49th: Extra

65th: Karna

65th: Manny

65th: K9sbruce

65th: RAIN

65th: kept

65th: Meteor

65th: Nicko

65th: Mago

97th: Taternator

97th: Promaelia

97th: Cagt

97th: ven

97th: TLTC

97th: B7Games

97th: AEMehr

129th: Zoan

129th: Zan

129th: Juice

181st: Kswz

Wonderbread

961st: MkLeo

(DQ'ed)
961st: Tweek

(DQ'ed)
961st: The Great Gonzales

(DQ'ed)

MarioManTAW · Aug 4, 2018

Top 48
Winners Side:
crow

vs. Raito

CaptainZack

vs. VoiD

MVD

vs. Diablo

Mr. E

vs. Shuton

takera

vs. Lima

Cosmos

vs. falln

Dabuz

vs. Elegant

Mistake

vs. Ally

Losers Side:
komorikiri

vs. PiXL

Vinnie

vs. ANTi

VaLoR

vs. Nietono

Charlie

vs. Lui$

Choco

vs. Z

Suinoko

vs. Larry Lurr

ESAM

vs. BestNess

KiraFlax

vs. Eon

Abadango

vs. Tyrant

Salem

vs. Lea

Kameme

vs. El Cobrador

Nairo

vs. Zenyou

Captain L

vs. shky

Ki

vs. Tyroy

yuzu

vs. Strike

NAKAT

vs. JK

Iridium · Aug 4, 2018

The_Bookworm said:
Notable Players out Earlier:
49th: AC
49th: Brosinex
49th: Dynamo
49th: Vermillion
49th: Konga
49th: Kiki
49th: 3xA
49th: Ozone
49th: Slither2Hunter
49th: Stroder
49th: Extra
65th: Karna
65th: Manny
65th: K9sbruce
65th: RAIN
65th: kept
65th: Meteor
65th: Nicko
65th: Mago
97th: Taternator
97th: Promaelia
97th: Cagt
97th: ven
97th: TLTC
97th: B7Games
97th: AEMehr
129th: Zoan
129th: Zan
129th: Juice
181st: Kswz
Wonderbread
961st: MkLeo (DQ'ed)
961st: Tweek (DQ'ed)
961st: The Great Gonzales (DQ'ed)

Uh, kept doesn't use female Villager. Not significant, but eh.

Anyway, shky

beats Captain L

. He is out at 33rd.

MarioManTAW · Aug 4, 2018

Looks like EVO is giving

a boost, with 4

s in top 48, with 2 in winners! (The other 2 are already out though.)

MarioManTAW · Aug 4, 2018

JK

> NAKAT

Iridium · Aug 4, 2018

komorikiri

(

?) 2-0 PiXL

Tyroy

2-0 Ki

ESAM

2-0 BestNess

MarioManTAW These Ryu mains seem to be going out (well, at least the ones in losers).

MarioManTAW · Aug 4, 2018

komorikiri

and ANTi

currently fighting for 25th.

Lord Dio · Aug 4, 2018

yoo let's go zenyou

Yonder · Aug 4, 2018

Wow, Elegant gets paired with Dabuz right away in top 48?

Dabuz

2-0 Elegant

I'll edit if I'm wrong later, but bracket luck just screwed my main man out of top 8 basically

MarioManTAW · Aug 4, 2018

Zenyou

2-1 Nairo

Nairo out at 33rd!

The_Bookworm · Aug 4, 2018

MarioManTAW said:
Zenyou 2-1 Nairo
Nairo out at 33rd!

What is up with Nairo and these recent low placements? Is he rusty somehow?

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