EVERYONE ELSE IS TOO SLOW-- Sonic Match-up Thread 01/18/15 GAME AND WATCH! WATCH HIM GAME! And stuff

[LocktheChest]

You have to be really careful with using your spins. Try running while shielding any needles to get close. From there, you can try to bait a reaction that you can punish, preferably with a grab. You could also try Homing Attack but don't let yourself become predictable with it.

Thank you so much! I had not integrated grabs and shielding into my sonic game, and since doing so it has improved my sonic play tremendously.

 

[Camalange]

I think shield grabbing is one of Sonic's strongest points, especially now with his increased grab range. He's like one of the only characters that can go from across the stage to in your face in a second and grab.

 

[Phoenix_Dark]

Dunno if we're going to keep using this thread or not, but we need an actual organized matchup thread. Would like for us to all vote on a character to talk about. Have a deep discussion on the matchup. Then move the key points to the ever expanding first post and move on to the next character. You know... Like every other board does.. Lol. All of these threads are a mess and seem to be made by people that vanish a day or two later.

 

[Camalange]

Yeah. I'd take initiative again but things irl keep me too busy to be properly dedicating time to each and every aspect...

 

[Phoenix_Dark]

Yeah I feel the same way. I think I could handle the video thread as that's just upkeep with new additions and our current one is obviously ****. I'll probably do that when I get home.

 

[Camalange]

Lookin' forward to it. I've been gradually updating my thread but it's hard to take on all of Side-B and Down-B alone.

 

[Shadow Light Master]

Lucina kicked my ass today. I had no chance. What do I do? Her aerials have way more range than Sonic's, and she spams them constantly.

 

[LocktheChest]

Lucina kicked my *** today. I had no chance. What do I do? Her aerials have way more range than Sonic's, and she spams them constantly.

I've been playing against her today, so I'll help.
Her aerials are pretty good, but there is a short delay between when she can do another. THAT is when you need to attack. With Lucina, it's all about timing. Most of her moves can leave her open, but the opening is short. Sonic's F-tilt can out range some of her attacks. Use the homing attack on occasion to disrupt her flow. From experience, a Lucina will often react too quickly to the homing attack, and miss because of the short delay the homing attack has before it goes off. Don't spam it though, as they will eventually figure it out.
If you are using Side B, try jumping around before activating it, as it can throw the lucina off.
TL;DR, you need to bait her out. the gap you have to punish is small, but it's possible.

 

[Phoenix_Dark]

Lookin' forward to it. I've been gradually updating my thread but it's hard to take on all of Side-B and Down-B alone.

If there's anything I can do to help, just let me know. I can help you test shenanigans and such.

 

[RedrappeR]

Dunno if we're going to keep using this thread or not, but we need an actual organized matchup thread. Would like for us to all vote on a character to talk about. Have a deep discussion on the matchup. Then move the key points to the ever expanding first post and move on to the next character. You know... Like every other board does.. Lol. All of these threads are a mess and seem to be made by people that vanish a day or two later.

I haven't really vanished man. This week has been kind of difficult with all the stuff I have going on. But then again, i made the thread because sincerely, nobody else was and we just had a bunch of "how do I beat this char" threads popping up. But if someone is willing to take over this thing and give it more attention I'm all for it.

 

[Camalange]

I appreciate the gesture and I don't think he was referring directly about you as much as it is a general occurrence with this board.

I think the bigger issue is that having a thread for Match-Up discussion is great, but I think we should focus on character to character and get input from other boards as well. Then we can update the main post with each character breakdown instead of having people constantly coming in here with random "I can't beat ___ in For Glory, help?" posts.

 

[ROOOOY!]

I'd do it, but I suck. And I don't do words very good.



Heard a lot of characters where there are issues, and obviously they are the priority, but is there a matchup considered universally easy?

 

[ithrowthings]

I appreciate the gesture and I don't think he was referring directly about you as much as it is a general occurrence with this board.

I think the bigger issue is that having a thread for Match-Up discussion is great, but I think we should focus on character to character and get input from other boards as well. Then we can update the main post with each character breakdown instead of having people constantly coming in here with random "I can't beat ___ in For Glory, help?" posts.

This man speaks truth!

 

[Camalange]

This man speaks truth!

You're back baby!

 

[ithrowthings]

You're back baby!

Indeed. I wish I knew about the /hope going on in pittsburgh this weekend earlier because I totally would've been there to take yall's money again.

I'm hosting a tourney up here instead though. Might be going to fight pitt though so hopefully we'll see each other there.

 

[Camalange]

Indeed. I wish I knew about the /hope going on in pittsburgh this weekend earlier because I totally would've been there to take yall's money again.

I'm hosting a tourney up here instead though. Might be going to fight pitt though so hopefully we'll see each other there.

PA tournies are a little harder for me as I'm mostly in NY now... I'd like to do a bigger Pitt tourney though if I get the opportunity. Would definitely love to see you all again.

 

[Phoenix_Dark]

Indeed. I wish I knew about the /hope going on in pittsburgh this weekend earlier because I totally would've been there to take yall's money again.

I'm hosting a tourney up here instead though. Might be going to fight pitt though so hopefully we'll see each other there.

Wut..? I am so out of the loop...

 

[Shiny Shovel]

Rosaluma is a weird match up.

With the Luma in play, getting in close is tough, and Rosalina herself has some fantastic priority.

Once Luma is gone, Rosalina is easier due to being a light weight and tall (making her an easy target).

Anyway to dispatch the luma quickly?

S.S.

 

[pidgezero_one]

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[ROOOOY!]

I find going out of my way to kill luma is more trouble than it's worth. It reappears in what like 10 seconds? I think when we start properly talking about matchups character by character i vote we start with Rosaluma. None of the other newcomers seem to problematic.

 

[Shiny Shovel]

I'm pretty sure Luma respawns after 7 seconds. Spinshot over it maybe? Spinshot>Nair could work?

S.S.

 

[carneVal]

If Luma ever separates I find it extremely easy to deal with. If they use the charge up move while you are at a distance, just dodge and hit Luma RIGHT as it finishes. It's annoying for RosaLuma players because now their star isn't where they want or they waste frames recalling it. That's only if they separate, though, been having difficulties with them keeping it close and just using it as a range extender.

 

[PX Pachi]

Advice against Shulk?

 

[Shiny Shovel]

Be patient with Shulk. I played one earlier and got owned until I started taking my time. Fake out a lot, bait him. Get close and dash away. When Shulk uses a smash attack, he has a long-ish cool down period. It worked for me?

S.S.

 

[Gregory2590]

Sonic vs. Rosalina? The luma isn't the issue(well, not as much), it's Rosalina's absurd priority on her attacks.

EDIT: Someone asked my EXACT question, never mind.

 

[Funkermonster]

Sonic vs Luigi? He annoys me a little mainly because of his fireballs and I find it a little hard to edgeguard his SideB. Not frustrating, but annoying.

 

[warionumbah2]

I'm pretty sure Luma respawns after 7 seconds. Spinshot over it maybe? Spinshot>Nair could work?

S.S.

just checked its 8 seconds.

 

[Shiny Shovel]

just checked its 8 seconds.

Thanks for the correction. Also, to add to the problems, Homing Attacks seem to target the Luma too, making it an unreliable approach option.

S.S.

 

[ChikoLad]

If you guys are looking to do things in an organised way to build towards a comprehensive list of MUs, the Lucina and Rosalina boards have taken to discussing MUs for those characters on a weekly basis, changing character each week. Seems ideal for generating more focused discussions.

 

[iSpiN]

Rosalina is by far my worst matchup. Japanese Rosalina's contribute to 50% of all my losses on FG.

I suggest baiting luma out and rushing Rosa during either sending or recalling. Smarter players will be prepared for the initial rushdown so bait carefully. Also, her Dtilt with Luma stops+wrecks most grounded approaches.

 

[Bajike]

Need help on Sonic vs. Zero Suit Samus. Apparently, it's the worst match-up and I need help. I see way too many ZSS' on For Glory.

 

[iSpiN]

Apparently, it's the worst match-up and I need help. I see way too many ZSS' on For Glory.

That's funny because ZSS is awful with a fraction of lag. I suggest playing it safe and bait grabs whenever possible. Her dash is hard to punish, but she is easier for me to manage while she's airborne. Bad ZSS players will use Dair often (easy to bait) and it's really easy to punish. Play conservatively, watch her movements, and abuse SC.

 

[Bajike]

Okay, thanks.

 

[ROOOOY!]

I'd be happy to make a progressive, character focused match up thread. I was looking at the original brawl sonic version the other day, and it was very productive. My only issue would be that in the last like 2 years I've been inactive I've forgotten how to format anything on here, add images etc etc.

 

[SonicX2k0]

i dont like wario the bite move gets me everytime i have to slow it down just to be beat him

 

[iSpiN]

Yeah, Wario is a pain sadly. Wectoring is also a thing (needs to be patched imo) and bite shenanigans will make you hesitant for frontal approach. I've only fought a small number of decent Warios thus far, but I mostly rely on HA and Pawnch.

 

[Camalange]

Wectoring?

I hate it already.

 

[Phoenix_Dark]

Moves like warios bite and inhale moves feel like they're a lot easier to deal with on this game. Sonic's homing attack is a lot more reliable and those moves seem to have more ending lag, so they're easier to punish. They possibly have less priority as well? I don't remember much about brawl anymore. Maybe they had the same heavy armor frames or whatever it was called that grabs had. Regardless, when I see people try to do abuse options like that on this game, I always have a good laugh.

 

[JamesUK7]

I know there is already a post about the Sheik matchup but I'm finding it difficult to deal with Sheik's aerial pressure, approaching with Side B and Down B is almost impossible too due to her needles... Any advice?

 

[Camalange]

I know there is already a post about the Sheik matchup but I'm finding it difficult to deal with Sheik's aerial pressure, approaching with Side B and Down B is almost impossible too due to her needles... Any advice?

As far as needles go, don't forget that from Side-B alone you can either shield cancel the hits or spinshot over them.