Even more proof that Ness is gone from Brawl

[AsbestosBlatant]

*shakes hands with TheGlitchMaster!*

No hard feelings! Right now I'm too blissed out on "shi*teiru" to be anything but totally happy! Tondagossa! This is a birthday present when I expected a thunderstorm!


For anybody still wondering, this little snippet CONFIRMS Ness!

"sumabura" shiri-zu ni renzoku sansen shi*teiru "MOTHER2" no shujinkou, nesu.

That's the first sentence.

Hey. You know what? It's present/future tense.
Know what it says?

"Ness, the protagonist of Mother 2 will continue to participate in the Smash Bros. series."
The main verb is "shi*teiru", which is a present-tense ending.

"shi*teita" is past tense and would mean "has continually appeared". "Teiru" is the present progressive inflection, and indicates that the action is currently happening.

 

[Phlemingo]

Ness isn't confirmed or deconfirmed. Asbestos is just trying to make himself feel better.

 

[TheGlitchMaster]

ness may have a shot, but perhaps he could use lucas' moves, since lucas is using ness'.

 

[AsbestosBlatant]

Actually not, Phlemingo. Read the grammar points of my last point.

 

[FSLink]

the luigifacation of charicters is null and void now. luigi is probably going to use polturguist 3000.

Luigi-fying as a term as in... same B attacks + different A attacks. You know, almost a clone, but enough to be different.

I posted it to this thread: http://www.brawlcentral.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=45&t=1743 under the name SDShamshel.

Originally, I posted this translation on the Something Awful forums: http://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?s=&postid=338543841#post338543841

If Aeris and Yoshi reached a similar conclusion with their translation then I'd say it's accurate.

:o, a goon has appeared.
*still doesn't have a SA account* Blah.

 

[Smashruler]

NOOoooo! Ness better be playable. If anything I want the original 12 to be back. Lucas can drop dead.

 

[Phlemingo]

ness may have a shot, but perhaps he could use lucas' moves, since lucas is using ness'.

That doesn't make sense, does it?

 

[Meta_Sonic64]

Exactly. There's no point for Lucas to get Ness' moveset since Lucas is the newcomer unless he's replacing him. Lucas has plenty of moves from Mother 3 he could have used, but why would he get a Luigi-fied moveset? Ness:Lucas is not the same as Mario:Luigi, so Luigi-fying doesn't make sense either. I'm not saying there's not a chance Ness can't be in as a secret nostalgic clone or anything, but other than that, I don't see him being in.

As I said before, I've posted speculation on this many times along with other facts against Ness, only for those facts to be called my "opinion" as a whole, by Ness supporters. I don't see him being in regardless of this translation and I'm sticking with that. As far as an apology goes, don't bank on it.

 

[AsbestosBlatant]

"He appeared as a hidden character in the first generation Smash Bros."
Second sentence. Please keep reading my last post.

Check it out~ http://smashboards.com/showpost.php?p=3753844&postcount=121 It's already up on this page, but some people don't read the last page.

We're doing this one methodically.

 

[TheGlitchMaster]

alright, this thread is quite odd. it's just an arguement. i'm going. i want to apoligise to everyone i offended, and i just can't put a disscussion in this.

 

[Meta_Sonic64]

You telling me it says "will continue" doesn't mean much either. He could very well continue as a stage hazard, AT, normal trophy, even a sticker. It means nothing until they verify how.

 

[Phlemingo]

Whats more reliable? Dojo or Abestos?

 

[Masque]

*shakes hands with TheGlitchMaster!*

No hard feelings! Right now I'm too blissed out on "shi*teiru" to be anything but totally happy! Tondagossa! This is a birthday present when I expected a thunderstorm!

For anybody still wondering, this little snippet CONFIRMS Ness!

"sumabura" shiri-zu ni renzoku sansen shi*teiru "MOTHER2" no shujinkou, nesu.

That's the first sentence.

Hey. You know what? It's present/future tense.
Know what it says?

"Ness, the protagonist of Mother 2 will continue to participate in the Smash Bros. series."
The main verb is "shi*teiru", which is a present-tense ending.

"shi*teita" is past tense and would mean "has continually appeared". "Teiru" is the present progressive inflection, and indicates that the action is currently happening.

I hate you. And I mean that in the nicest way possible, don't get me wrong. I'm so glad that you know Japanese well enough to tell us this kind of information--kudos to you! But anything that decreases Claus's chances at this point just irks me to no end. (I can't get too mad at you, though, because you ARE an MMPMA member.)

 

[Meta_Sonic64]

Does that question really need an answer?

 

[Phlemingo]

Does that question really need an answer?

Obviously since some people don't seem to get it.

 

[Chi's Finest]

Wow, someone says this CONFIRMS ness in Brawl. It doesn't mean anything. He's right back to deconfirmed as he was before this article surfaced.

 

[AsbestosBlatant]

He will continue as a character, "sansen" is translated as competitor or participant.

Now, on to sentence 3.
"How much hardship did one have to go through to make him appear...?"
It's a rhetorical question in true Japanese fashion.

For any new readers. I should put this in my sig or something.
http://smashboards.com/showpost.php?p=3753844&postcount=121

 

[Nobie]

連続している that is, "renzoku shi*te-iru," just because it's present-progressive tense does not mean it translates perfectly to English.

As an example, the verb 知る (shiru) means "to come to know." When you say "I don't know" you say 知らない(shiranai). If you say "I know" you say 知っている(shi*tte iru). It means you are in the constant state of knowing something, or in other words, "I know."

I stand by my translation, which is that "Ness is a recurring participant." It says nothing for or against his chances in Brawl.

 

[yoshi_fan]

Yeah, ness is returning (even I hate the ****ing-big-headed-son-of-peach),the more, the merrier.

Metasonic, please STFU ok? If you don't want ness just don't say anything, but be mature plz

 

[.Yoshi]

Um..This is neither proof nor counter-evidence that is he gone.

In fact, it's more like he's back in limbo of being in the game or not. Notice how it starts out talking about Mother 2, then Ness, then ends with talking about Mr. Saturns that pop up?

The "tense" of choice just states that's been appearing in the game. The same connotation as you'd see in English.

 

[AsbestosBlatant]

"A constant state of knowing something, or in other words, 'I know.'"

So why would a constant state of participating not be continuing to be participating?

And blast, my wording failed. It's not present-future tense, it's present-PROGRESSIVE, and it does translate perfectly to english, as "is continuing".

"Shi*teiru" is a conjugation of "suru", meaning "to do"

"Shi*teiru", literally, means "is doing". With Sansen being competitor/participant, and CONTINUING to be one, that says nothing but Ness is a playable character. If he were anything else, he wouldn't be continuing to be what he was before now, would he?

 

[Meta_Sonic64]

You telling me it says "will continue" doesn't mean much either. He could very well continue as a stage hazard, AT, normal trophy, even a sticker. It means nothing until they verify how.

Again...

Yeah, ness is returning (even I hate the ****ing-big-headed-son-of-peach),the more, the merrier.

Metasonic, please STFU ok? If you don't want ness just don't say anything, but be mature plz

Why should I STFU, b/c I have a different opinion than you?

 

[AsbestosBlatant]

Read my last post, Meta. <3 I updated it with some grammar points and a little more on Sansen.

And no, you should stfu because most of the time, you're downright rude.

 

[Nobie]

"A constant state of knowing something, or in other words, 'I know.'"

So why would a constant state of participating not be continuing to be participating?

And blast, my wording failed. It's not present-future tense, it's present-PROGRESSIVE, and it does translate perfectly to english, as "is continuing".

"Shi*teiru" is a conjugation of "suru", meaning "to do"

"Shi*teiru", literally, means "is doing". With Sansen being competitor/participant, and CONTINUING to be one, that says nothing but Ness is a playable character. If he were anything else, he wouldn't be continuing to be what he was before now, would he?

Read my above description as regards to shi*teiru.

 

[Uchiha.Sanosuke]

Ness is dead.

People have been saying it for at least two months now! Get over it! There is an insurmountable amount of proof that states that he's long gone, so just suck it up.

Claus for Brawl!

 

[Teeb147]

Ness is dead.

People have been saying it for at least two months now! Get over it! There is an insurmountable amount of proof that states that he's long gone, so just suck it up.

Claus for Brawl!

No proof anywhere, only misinterpreted phrases.
I dont think Ness is out because Lucas alone cant represent the Mother series.

 

[Phlemingo]

Are any of you familiar with the dojo?

 

[Meta_Sonic64]

"A constant state of knowing something, or in other words, 'I know.'"

So why would a constant state of participating not be continuing to be participating?

And blast, my wording failed. It's not present-future tense, it's present-PROGRESSIVE, and it does translate perfectly to english, as "is continuing".

"Shi*teiru" is a conjugation of "suru", meaning "to do"

"Shi*teiru", literally, means "is doing". With Sansen being competitor/participant, and CONTINUING to be one, that says nothing but Ness is a playable character. If he were anything else, he wouldn't be continuing to be what he was before now, would he?

Actually he would. B/c he's continuing to participate in the Smash game, no matter how.
Downright rude? Let's look back at when you first started posting in the Ness thread. Maybe you don't remember, but whenever I provided points on Ness not being in, you would reply with insults only b/c of me having a different opinion.

 

[TheGlitchMaster]

ugh! this is a mud flinging contest! let's end this! i sent a translation request to samuraipanda. let's all calm down like i did.

 

[AsbestosBlatant]

And yet this article snippet disagrees. Your "insurmountable" amount of "evidence" was little more than hearsay and speculation.

This is the real deal word straight from Famitsu. And to Nobie: I did, and it doesn't say anything different.

Did you read what I posted? Continuing to know/continuing to participate in means it is currently happening, as in, Ness is currently continuing to compete in Brawl.

And Meta-Sonic: Did you read about Sansen? It means competitor as well as participant. As in, a participant in a race.

 

[Chi's Finest]

"If you don't want Ness, don't say anyhting"

How ignorant can you be, to tell people to "stfu" if they don't agree with your idiotic opinion that Ness could be in.

He's out people. Get over it.

 

[Phlemingo]

Are you familiar with the dojo, Asbestos?

 

[AsbestosBlatant]

Are you familiar with Famitsu?

 

[EarthBound08]

Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa!
What the heck is all of this!?

Right now, I'm going with AsbestosBlatent, but I honestly have no idea what the heck to say. I'm gonna stick with this: Ness will be in.

[/contributing nothing]

EB08

 

[Meta_Sonic64]

And yet this article snippet disagrees. Your "insurmountable" amount of "evidence" was little more than hearsay and speculation.

This is the real deal word straight from Famitsu. And to Nobie: I did, and it doesn't say anything different.

Did you read what I posted? Continuing to know/continuing to participate in means it is currently happening, as in, Ness is currently continuing to compete in Brawl.

Here we go again with calling points like ,for example, "Ness was supposed to be replaced by Lucas in Melee", an "opinion". That statement doesn't say he competes just participate. It doesn't say how he will participate. For all we know he could be in the situations I mentioned.

 

[flyinfilipino]

People, people! This clearly is not going to get anywhere.

 

[Meta_Sonic64]

Of course, it won't. It never does, when facts are always called "opinions"

 

[AsbestosBlatant]

Sansen is translated as competitor AND participant. Why do you choose to ignore that?
Furthermore, it says he CONTINUES to be one. Had he been anything less than a character, they would have indicated change.

Lastly, once again, Brawl is not Melee. Also, I have not been ignoring facts, I have been countering them. Your facts are dated, these are not. Sakurai has not said "I intended to use Lucas instead of Ness for Brawl."

 

[JusDBerube]

Hey, this is Jus' girlfriend -- I've been trying to keep up with you guys in this thread, but I really can't -- I'm not sure in the end what you believe that image to be saying, but here is my personal translation of it:

***

Do you remember? About Ness.

Ness, the main character of "Mother 2", has been fighting throughout the Smash Bros. series. He was one of the hidden participant characters in the original Smash Bros. How many hardships had to be overcome in order to make him appear... In passing, from the official homepage movie, he was already confirmed as a participant because he was seen throwing the item known as Mr. Saturn.

***

I kinda rushed this 'cuz you all were going nuts. XD What I really want you guys to understand is, this article says nothing about Brawl, and is referring ONLY to Smash Bros. and Smash Bros. Melee.

"How many hardships had to be overcome in order to make him appear..."
Refers to the amount of effort it took to UNLOCK him in the original game.


"In passing, from the official homepage movie, he was already confirmed as a participant because he was seen throwing the item known as Mr. Saturn."
...And this is referring to, I suppose, a video that was uploaded on the official Japanese Melee homepage (I never saw it, so I'm just going by what the text says)

...I know I've never been heard from on here as a translator or anything, but I've been studying the language for nearly ten years now, so, while I don't want anyone to rely on my translation as absolutely true and correct, I'd like it to be known that I'm at least competent with it.

The original translation posted here was entirely wrong, though, so much so that I think that translation was from something different and a mistake was made somewhere along the lines. No biggie.

Personally, I'll be sad if Ness isn't in Brawl, but I absolutely adore Lucas, so I wouldn't mind making the switch.

 

[TheGlitchMaster]

People, people! This clearly is not going to get anywhere.

amen.....amen