Epic... Rap... BATTLES OF HISTORY!!! OVER GUESS WHICH SIDE WON

[Inferno3044]

Kary you are REALLY reaching for points on NL and you've been really bipolar all game. You have jumped on Ran, KWK, NL and I think Garg (feel free to correct that).

@KWK - why are you trying to claim so fast?

Vote: KWK

 

[#HBC | Kary]

@Inferno:
What do you think of No Lynch's play so far? And have you read the thread fully?

 

[Inferno3044]

No Lynch is in the null and not on my list to be lynched. Your points on the slot are a very large reach and you're clogging up the thread with these points. If you wanna be helpful vote KWK. 2 OMGUS's (on both you and Marshy) is just nasty play.

 

[#HBC | Kary]

How so are my points a reach?
Is it that what I'm saying doesn't match the way Zen is playing,
or is it that I'm stretching to find something that conclusively proves Zen is scum,
Or is it some other form of reach?

And how are KWK's points against me or marshy OMGUS?

If you want to be helpful, don't avoid direct questions.

 

[Inferno3044]

How so are my points a reach?
Is it that what I'm saying doesn't match the way Zen is playing,
or is it that I'm stretching to find something that conclusively proves Zen is scum,
Or is it some other form of reach?

You're reaching in the fact that you are taking these small things and using it to say someone is scum, but what points you give are not worth justifying a lynch.

And how are KWK's points against me or marshy OMGUS?

*Kary votes KWK*
*KWK votes Kary in reponse*

*Marshy has his vote on KWK and pushes for him to be the play*
*KWK votes Marshy in response*

How are those not an OMGUS?

If you want to be helpful, don't avoid direct questions.

I answered it, but I'll answer it again if you can't look 2 posts up. I stated he was null. Null in its meaning means that I have not seen anything inherently scummy from them but nothing they have done makes me think they are town. I stated that your points were reaches and now you have beef against me.

 

[#HBC | Kary]

The question you avoided is whether you'd read the thread fully.

You clearly haven't read the thread, because I haven't voted KWK, at all.

So... you're making this sh** up.

Oh, and 'How are these not OMGUS?' is not an explanation, nor does it show why they are OMGUS.

Why do you sound so much like No Lynch right now?

 

[Inferno3044]

The question you avoided is whether you'd read the thread fully.

You clearly haven't read the thread, because I haven't voted KWK, at all.

I haven't done a reread. And apparently you didn't vote KWK but you definitely jumped on him. And his response was him voting you.

Oh, and 'How are these not OMGUS?' is not an explanation, nor does it show why they are OMGUS.

Okay so apparently I have to explain every little thing to you because you can't see the obvious. OMGUS stands for "Oh My God You Suck." What it means is that you basically think someone is scum or vote for them because they think you're scum. Here's an example:

*Player A thinks Player B is scum*
*Player A votes Player B and tries to push for Player B's lynch*
*Player B votes Player A as a response*

Now let's use people in the game:

*Marshy thinks KWK is scum and has his vote on him*
*Marshy pushes the KWK wagon to try and lynch him*
*KWK votes Marshy as a response*

See the resemblance? That iss why it's an OMGUS. Also I don't like your bipolar play at all because you have jumped from Ran to KWK to Zen to me.

Why do you sound so much like No Lynch right now?

Well we might both be town. Can't say for sure because I don't know their alignment.

 

[#HBC | Kary]

Oh and just in case you were going to suggest that you'd thought you'd seen me vote somewhere, I'd like to point out that you accused me of being aggressive toward KWK before:

I saw it as out of character a lot towards Ran and then you unvote and go really aggressive on KWS.

And I explained then that he was the one who started attacking me, and that I was just in a bad mood:

Then KWK appeared, attacking me because... I'm attacking Ran and I ask too many questions? The tone of his posts screamed scum to me, and the points he was making were BS in my opinion. I was already a bit wound up, so I made a few jibes at him, like having not posted enough.
My #303 and #305 though are, I feel, legitimate criticisms- basically asking KWK why they're attacking me and whether they actually have anything to back up their vote on me.

Which you apparently accepted:

Okay. I'll give you these. You just weren't as aggressive earlier in the day but it's still early-mid D1. I don't have too much to go off of.

So, how on earth did you think I'd jumped on KWK, or indeed voted him, in the first place? Asking me to correct you on who I'd attacked today? Seriously, what the hell. If you want me to incriminate myself, try harder, and get your facts right.

 

[#HBC | Kary]

It's amazing how I can predict what you're going to say, isn't it.

 

[#HBC | Kary]

Hmm, this might have been OMGUS. If it weren't for:

Everyone: Let it be known that I think marshy is full of it and I don't like his pushes for the lynches that he's pushing for. This is technically "how marshy plays", but his pushes for us/DH don't feel genuine.

Please DON'T let him get away with this lynch without reasoning.

This looks quite a lot like criticism's of marshy's play, and questioning his intentions, and asking for clarification from marshy.

Which is probably why KWK said:

I think I'll put my vote where my mouth is.

Which suggests it probably isn't OMGUS. Right, Kuz?

Can't decide whether to vote you or No Lynch, you're basically the same person right now.

Well we might both be town. Can't say for sure because I don't know their alignment.

...........yeahhhhhh.

 

[#HBC | Kary]

You're reaching in the fact that you are taking these small things and using it to say someone is scum, but what points you give are not worth justifying a lynch.

Look at all of Zen's posts so far. I'm going to say that most of them fall into one of these three categories:
1. Stating who he'd like to lynch (KWK/Garg, not DH) but not pushing this stance at all.
2. RVS style questions /inquiries, including generic questions and a push on Kat.
3. Questioning why people are questioning him, without providing answers.

Now ask yourself what his intentions are in doing all of this? Look over his posts, and try and figure out why he's making those posts.

[...cut]It just doesn't seem genuine to me, at all.

Ok, so maybe you disagree with all of this, but you'd rather not actually say that.

Give me one good reason why you want to lynch KWK so bad that you're telling me it'd be helpful to just jump on the waggon. I can think of one already.

 

[No Lynch]

Kary, you have 104 posts in this game and counting. Please, calm down.

 

[#HBC | Kary]

No Lynch, your slot has 86 posts in this thread and counting. In most of them you try and waste time or discredit me. Please shut up and die.

 

[Inferno3044]

Oh and just in case you were going to suggest that you'd thought you'd seen me vote somewhere, I'd like to point out that you accused me of being aggressive toward KWK before:

And I explained then that he was the one who started attacking me, and that I was just in a bad mood

Okay sorry for trying to give you some town points on that. I'll take them back. You have butted heads with him like you have with quite a few people.

Which you apparently accepted:

Yeah and then the game progressed. You voted Ran, went extremely aggressive, then just dropped that completely and went to KWK. I decided to accept that until you once again decide to drop another person to argue with more people. You're not getting us anywhere by arguing with every person in the thread.

So, how on earth did you think I'd jumped on KWK, or indeed voted him, in the first place? Asking me to correct you on who I'd attacked today? Seriously, what the hell. If you want me to incriminate myself, try harder, and get your facts right.

You had quite a bit of an exchange. I'll admit I got it wrong and he actually started the accusations and you just decided to argue with him and throw some punches. I also interpreted that you thought he was scum. I know KWK did that.

This looks quite a lot like criticism's of marshy's play, and questioning his intentions, and asking for clarification from marshy.

Which is probably why KWK said:

KWK: "I'll put my vote where my mouth is."

Which suggests it probably isn't OMGUS. Right, Kuz?

So because he said that it makes him towny? That's a very poor argument. Detective said he was a dayvig and he was lying. I can say I'm a double voting vigilante that is immune to all night actions and my kill can't be stopped and I'll tell you right now that's a lie. His actions say OMGUS and actions speak louder than words.

Can't decide whether to vote you or No Lynch, you're basically the same person right now.

Please vote me. I ****ing dare you.

Ok, so maybe you disagree with all of this, but you'd rather not actually say that.

I am saying those aren't grounds to lynch. Try scum goggling harder.

Give me one good reason why you want to lynch KWK so bad that you're telling me it'd be helpful to just jump on the waggon. I can think of one already.

-He hasn't been trying to actually do anything to help town
-Posts little comments then suddenly leaves
-His vote pattern has been scummy (Although his vote on you wasn't an OMGUS I saw some scumminess in it as a way to just jump on a wagon)
-He isn't someone I want to have down the road

Oh and a fun thing I saw while I was rereading

Also it's as though you've never heard of scum trying to jam up the thread with confusion and pointless questions. Arguably not giving any more ammunition to a player I have scum suspicions on is a pro-town move, it lets people examine their own play more.
Oh yeah, and then I ACTUALLY GAVE THE CONENT

He says is that scum will sometimes try to jam up the thread with confusion. Kary has been doing a lot of this. Maybe you haven't voted but you did butt heads and argue with him. Most importantly though, he has been jumping around to people to argue with. I honestly don't know what his reads are at all.

Kary I have two question I want you to answer. What is your read on KWK and why are you fighting his battles?

 

[#HBC | Kary]

Because I have a town read on him, which you weren't expecting.

Which is why you pushed his waggon with no reason,

and without having even read his posts, to get a read on him,

In the hope that I wouldn't object.



Because you're scum.

Shut up and die.

 

[#HBC | marshy]

maybe karys actually scum. no way someone can be so dumb

 

[Inferno3044]

Because I have a town read on him, which you weren't expecting.

Which is why you pushed his waggon with no reason,

and without having even read his posts, to get a read on him,

In the hope that I wouldn't object.



Because you're scum.

Shut up and die.

Before I get into any of this please stop reaching. I made one mistake that I thought you voted him and admitted I was wrong. You turned that into "This guy hasn't read the thread. He's scum and needs to die." And I'm not the only one who you have done this too. You have done it to Ran, NL, and at least got into a heated argument with KWK. Disagreeing with you =/= scum. For curiosity sake what's your read on Marshy?

I did read his posts and I think he is possibly scum and a good choice to lynch. I don't have a photographic memory and admitted my mistake, but you still butted heads with a lot of people and clogged up the thread with a lot of **** that hasn't gotten us anywhere. You found little things in posts you didn't like and used them to say someone is scum. You did this to Ran. Then you didn't like KWK and started something with him. And after that you moved to NL and myself both for the reason that we want to lynch KWK.

Next please stop fighting KWK's battles. It makes it sound like he can't defend himself which not only makes him look bad but you as well. Playing devil's advocate the way you are is scummy because (assuming KWK is town) you can try and use that for town points. I've seen scum do it multiple times.

Marshy and Gheb: Your reads on Kary

 

[~ Gheb ~]

[glow]He's as wrong as can be but his words are genuine and pure
Let's show him the right way, not throw him down the canyon!
Don't let him throw us off - his impatience we will surely endure
And one fine day he may even become a powerful companion!

Let's not fight the one who tries to help us - even if he tries too hard he's still a friend!
Let's fight the one's who suck up to us to please us - those who our friends to be pretend![/glow]

 

[Inferno3044]

EBWOP: Way to ninja me Marshy. I've been thinking about the possibility of him being scum and it has been growing. I was definitely thinking of having the cop investigate him but killing him is another viable option. I'm down for it if you are Marshy.

 

[Inferno3044]

[glow]He's as wrong as can be but his words are genuine and pure
Let's show him the right way, not throw him down the canyon!
Don't let him throw us off - his impatience we will surely endure
And one fine day he may even become a powerful companion!

Let's not fight the one who tries to help us - even if he tries too hard he's still a friend!
Let's fight the one's who suck up to us to please us - those who our friends to be pretend![/glow]

I would be more inclined to believe this if it was one time that he did it, but that's not the case. About your last line, who are you talking about in specific?

 

[Kreative Whiz Kids]

Kary you are REALLY reaching for points on NL and you've been really bipolar all game. You have jumped on Ran, KWK, NL and I think Garg (feel free to correct that).

@KWK - why are you trying to claim so fast?

Vote: KWK

Are you ****ing kidding me?

You're the epitome of what makes me hate this game right now. Get your head out of your ***, learn what OMGUS is, and realize that asking if people want me to claim is not ****ing scummy?

You think I actually WANT to claim? NO. I want to stay alive, no matter what alignment I am. I DO NOT WANT TO GET LYNCHED. Why the **** do you think I'm asking about claiming?

Yes, I think my role will save me. I wish this slot had some backup to our claim in the form of having actually been playing this game, but as it stands we have no ammunition there. I firmly believe marshy wants us lynched with no premise (havent read yet so if he actually gave something forgive me I'll read up to it in a minute), and when raising ACTUAL ****ING POINTS IT IS NOT ****ING OMGUS.

That's like calling anyone else who suspects marshy out on a chainsaw defense.

 

[Kreative Whiz Kids]

Inferno's last post implies I am town.

 

[Kreative Whiz Kids]

Or not really. I'm just mad at him.

 

[Kreative Whiz Kids]

Wait WTF Kary has a town read on us now?

Scum, tip for you: Call Kary town and he'll like you. Call him scum and you're top of his lynch list.

But you're right Inferno, I'm the OMGUS king. I'll bow down to you in post game.

Or not.

 

[Kreative Whiz Kids]

@post below: So you want me lynched so bad for doing nothing? At what point did you say in your mind "KWK is scum?"

As I've said, both heads of this hydra are crazy busy. Today is the last night of our play. I can't promise posts worth reading, but I can promise posts.

Also with no reads it's hard to join a wagon. Upon skimming I think I like the Garg wagon most out of the popular ones.

@ whiz

your play has featured a vote on kary (nonplay) and youve just admitted your vote on kary was probably indeed garbage. this is something that most of us had figured out begore tour first post. now your votes on me (nonplay) as if youre gonna get me lynched in 3 days

i seriously wonder if you are this bad. borderline depressing. please make a post worth reading

 

[Inferno3044]

KWK I'll be honest. I'm really not in a mood to butt heads but if you want to convince me that you're town I'm willing to hear you out. If you would rather insult me then you're just asking for my vote to stay on you. As for the claim, you had TWO votes on you. Maybe if you were at L-2 I'd understand but trying to claim at L-5? That's asking to try and get by with a claim. Whether town or scum that sounds like you're playing more for your own survival than for town's sake.

If you want to live then I advise you to post some content and reads.

 

[#HBC | Kary]

This is my last post this Day phase, no joke.

I'm sick of this game and I just can't see how Zen/Inferno are anything but scum because their play has been nothing but bullsh** and defending themselves, and there is no good reason at all for the KWK waggon.
Also, calling me bipolar? That's way out of line, and none of your business to be even joking about something like that. Yeah, you can joke all you like- but I think it's pretty clear you should know better.

Here's my reads, in no particular order:

Kataefi seems town, see #416.

Sherlock Hound seems town, liked the gambit and the follow up questions.

JTB's null for not posting, sorry.

Purple seems town. I really like his choice of questions, and he seems to know what's going on. Everything he has posted seems genuine.

Ran is a bit quiet but seems town. I called him on his reaction to Zen's question but I think I was wrong, and I don't criticize him for not answering it. He should've answered my damn question, because he has a good point about Garg in the second half of #258, but I nearly lost it in the confusion with all the 'keep it fresh' nonsense.

Dark Horse is null, probably town based on not caring for people's BS against him, I try and get him to defend himself which he does alright at, because most of the stuff was all RVS and differences in playstyle.

Garg is either very much scum or newbie town, I gave him too much credit; His criticism of DH is bull**** and he makes these schoolboy errors like editing a post, but his defence of his own actions is immaculate. Needs to be pushed on this.

Gheb's scum-lean on the basis of low content and his interactions seeming forced.
Also he hasn't replied to my #480, but has just claimed I'm going completely wrong.

Soup/Zen are scum on the basis of not having done anything town, see #415, really bad reaction in #402, and then fluffing with regards to #402 all the way to #462. Then they accuse me of fluffing the thread, even though they could have stopped talking to me whenever they wanted, and I said back in #415 they hadn't done anything but sit on their stances. Eventually they end up pushing a KWK waggon without anything said against him, and claiming we don't even have time to switch to Garg, despite having been talking about Garg earlier both with Kat and in general.

KWK attacks me a bit out of the blue, but still goes to the trouble of answering my questions. He seems really mad at my play, and calls me out on little things like playing hold-up with Ran, but I think this was more a test of my reactions than anything else, because the main points to his argument are legit- like wanting to hear the reasons for my questions on a case-by-case basis.

Inferno's scum for pushing the KWK waggon on nothing, whilst openly attacking my play. His insistence that he's done nothing wrong seems really forced, and his case against KWK goes from OMGUS to null tells pretty damn quick. Also says my points against NL are definitely a reach, but just says NL is null- even though he's parroting NL quite badly. Also the inferno-NL interactions are weird, especially about Kat.

Marshy is likely scum because his posts/reads seem forced, and he seems to jump on waggons in the hopes that they'll get popular. 'Props to Red Ryu' is not hugely convincing, nor was him calling out Zen on voting me, and him calling me possibly scum for playing so badly is just trash. The more he agrees with NL-Inferno the less I like him.

Goodnight.

 

[#HBC | marshy]

karys deduced the team of me/nl//inferno
and for that i must say good job bro
anyways inferno
kary can live yo

 

[#HBC | marshy]

whiz go head and claim
your play is so lame
sucks you might get to stay
cuz no way in **** scumll kill you anyway

 

[No Lynch]

Hey kary we didn't call you out on fluffing we called you out on excessive posting

 

[#HBC | marshy]

[glow]He's as wrong as can be but his words are genuine and pure
Let's show him the right way, not throw him down the canyon!
Don't let him throw us off - his impatience we will surely endure
And one fine day he may even become a powerful companion![/glow]

hahaha nice this is what i was thinking too. kary reminds me of an unrefined omni before he got good

 

[No Lynch]

whiz go head and claim

Why would you like for him to claim? It's to your belief that lynchees should not claim, yes?

sucks you might get to stay

hmm?? Where are you getting this from?

 

[#HBC | marshy]

yeah i dunno what the **** i was saying with the claim thing

he might get to stay cuz last i remember dark horse also seemed like hed be the play

but yeah whiz just die please. like vote yourself. im not even kidding

 

[Detective Sherlock Hound]

I'm gonna wait for a sec to discuss with Joey on what we can agree and disagree with first on how my gambit went. I got my reads but need to consult with him first.

Kary wtf, your like the old me, you got OMGUS problems.

 

[Detective Sherlock Hound]

Though Marshy, explain to me this.

Why were we believable when most of town here said otherwise and thought it was a gambit? What made it possible to be true.

Man the say I role Dayvig will be glorious that one day.

 

[Kreative Whiz Kids]

FFS marshy your points against us revolve around a lack of content and have so very little substance.

Inferno, tell me what marshy sees. Why am I scum? If you don't know (pretty sure you don't), then tell me what YOU see.

Marshy, tell me why me and DH are scummier than Garg.

I do think Garg/marshy is a succint possibility, and will gladly swing Garg lynch since marshy is too extreme to swing at this point.

Do others besides marshy (wtf) want our claim?

 

[~ Gheb ~]

[glow]Kary, get ahold of yourself and take a breath for a while!
You must not confuse the ones you dislike for our foes
Evil shows through content, dislike only through style
And style it is - not content - that your suspicions arose!

Evil can have many faces - like your friendly neighbor smiling, wearing a first-class suit
But it's not evil you give chase to, my friend! It's the different ideology you give pursuit![/glow]

 

[Kreative Whiz Kids]

I dislike that RR did the "gambit" on marshy.

Sherlock Hound/marshy/Garg anyone?

Meta alert: RR loves distancing, and he has the idea that he is town when he gambits. This gambit, however, had no town intent. He "shot" marshy, someone who is NOT going to fall for that ****. Marshy pretended like he thought he was real. This is a SvS reaction because:

As Town marshy would only play along to help by letting RR get any reads from other people's reactions. However, he made no attempt to draw out reactions from other players and his actions were only "reacting to the 'shot'."

As SvT where marshy is scum yet RR is town, marshy would react in such a way that appeals to RR, assuming the gambit is geared towards getting his reaction. In that case, he would either play along with the "shot" and "get other people's reactions" to look townie, or he would be honest and tell RR he's not falling for it.

This is SvS because RR chose marshy with the intent to distance, as RR so likes to do. The shot is unlikely to be a gambit for reactions because RR would know better than to choose MARSHY and/or he would have made an effort to get other people to weigh in in the shot. Then you have marshy's gross reaction where he "played along" as if he had actually believed the shot. There is no town intent in doing this if you're not going to ask others to weigh in, which neither RR or marshy did.

Man, that was a lot of typing for mobile.

I'm pretty content with Kary and Inferno

Would lynch Garg

Dislike Sherlock Hound
DISLIKE marshy

Null on others.

 

[~ Gheb ~]

[glow]Not every question requires a quick response
Not every question is best ansered here and now
Not always is it a matter of frivolous nonchalance
Soon enough you'll get your answers anyhow

You're a hard worker but sometimes all labor gets beaten by a simple observation
Observe the flowers you've seeded in the past - you may find it has changed its formation![/glow]

 

[#HBC | marshy]

@ gheb

wanna switch to garg?

lol @ whiz kid