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[Kataefi]

PJB can still go. Nothing has changed here... I stated my lynch pool quite early on in the Day. He has found scum picks in every single player that has ever attempted to push him... He is extremely defensive. I've been thinking about whether 2 scum would pop out of the woodwork at the same time to push for my lynch though. I've also been thinking about whether the scummies are attempting to scapegoat him, as he continuously seems to place himself in such bad situations... That's the crux of it in a nutshell. This is a lynch I support

 

[#HBC | Kary]

I don't really know what to say

Firstly Kary it wasn't a case:



This was followed by a bunch of questions... I'm sorry to hear that you're unimpressed.

Secondly where can you identify more gusto than substance? The quotes from Soup mean exactly what they say. He disliked Bard's early catchup post, considered joining the wagon later down the line, stated that Bard brought it on himself to look worse out of his interactions with me, claimed Bard was a player talked about and so a meaningful lynch... One would think he'd join it, right?

For him to have suggested Circus/Myself 24 hours before the deadline looked like an opportunity to narrow the lynchpool down to potential townies to divert attention away from Bard. That's what I was essentially questioning.

Regarding his safe play, I'm talking about him being a bit of a wagon herder. And yes I have been stuck thinking about his replacement. How can I question someone only to have them run away? I need to think about the situation because he could be townie now, especially now that he re-posted something that's making me think all kinds of things

My point, Kata, is that it is an awful big post to be making just to ask Soup why he didn't vote Bardull. Hence, more gusto than legwork.
You don't seem to go any further in pushing Soup, bringing up any other points against him.
And you don't let us know what happened to your souptown read from before.

I know what you were questioning. What i'm wondering, is whether that is the only question we'll get from you toDay?

And now, i'm not trying to refuse you time to think about a slot. But what has it been, four days?
When exactly are you going to come to a decision? And are you going to push anything else in the meantime?

 

[Kataefi]

Well I think Soup is likelier to flip town than scum. I don't think he'd have it in him to replace out as a scummie just because he was caught out... and THEN post something back in the thread.

unvote
vote: PJB

Or maybe Death Bear... I've been side-eyeing him for sometime mainly through PoE.

Or maybe Circus/Xonar now that I realised Bardull was awfully curious in not wanting to get him lynched... What does everyone think of this slot?

Also I want Rockin to explain his read on Soup and how it has progressed. He had slight scum leans iirc and I don't know want him to pander up to me with things like "looking forward to what you have to say kat..." etc etc.

 

[#HBC | Kary]

PJB can still go. Nothing has changed here... I stated my lynch pool quite early on in the Day. He has found scum picks in every single player that has ever attempted to push him... He is extremely defensive. I've been thinking about whether 2 scum would pop out of the woodwork at the same time to push for my lynch though. I've also been thinking about whether the scummies are attempting to scapegoat him, as he continuously seems to place himself in such bad situations... That's the crux of it in a nutshell. This is a lynch I support

So what you're saying is that if PJB isn't scum, there'll be scum on his waggon?

And can you quote your lynch pool for me? I don't recall seeing it toDay.

 

[Kataefi]

Also Kary I can't go anywhere else with Soup because he's not here... I was supposed to dance with him but he got cold feet

 

[Kataefi]

Yes! And yes

 

[Kataefi]

Soup / PJB / Death Bear

I think there's scum in the 3 names above... exactly as Kary mentioned earlier. I'm still very much the same as I am on PJB but I want to consider a few things first in greater detail, mainly the double push against me between himself/bard and the fact he is not doing himself any favours consistently placing himself in tricky positions. Bear with me on this ranny scotts

Death Bear needs to get more elaborative in his reads imo, especially as he's representing someone who vanished into dust.

 

[#HBC | Joker]

Wait, so I'm scum because I think the people trying to wagon me are scum, but if I flip town, the people wagoning me have scum among them? That's such a brilliant deduction.

Basically what you're saying is that I have to die in order for you to know if I'm trustworthy? Why is this?

 

[Death Bear]

wait, PJB.

Does that mean you now have or have had a scum read on me , due to me pushing you ?

Also one very critical question: Are you scum ?

 

[#HBC | Joker]

No and no

I did take a look at you because of your push on me, but I don't see scum intent from you. I just see you as misguided.

How often does that question actually net you scum? Just curious. Is there an answer I can give that's even telling one way or the other? I'm just gonna say "no" no matter what...

 

[#HBC | Kary]

Also Kary I can't go anywhere else with Soup because he's not here... I was supposed to dance with him but he got cold feet

Let's not be daft.

I wasn't suggesting you push Soup after he replaced out. I was saying that when you pushed soup, you only pushed him on a couple of things, and asking whether that was all you found scummy about him.

 

[Rockin]

Also I want Rockin to explain his read on Soup and how it has progressed. He had slight scum leans iirc and I don't know want him to pander up to me with things like "looking forward to what you have to say kat..." etc etc.

I actually asked you if you still wanted my opinon after I posted 4 days later lol.

I feel that a lynch with soup is the right way to go. I've just havn't been impressed much with his D1 play (or at least, the way he does his scum hunt). The little interaction I had with him D2 makes me feel uncomfortable, cause he delibertly asked me a very suspicious question

Rockin, do you think my defiance to lynch Nabe makes me his partner in your eyes, or would I just roll with how bad it looks for Nabe? Consider this if you want to talk about a scum being about.

I don't even know why a townie would ask this, and still don't.

Of course, I'm a little hesitant with how things played out (him being replaced). Still, after a bit of consideration, I'm still down with lynching Orbo based on Soup's interaction.

Vote: Orbo

Several asked me about a PJB lynch before, and even now Kata, I still don't see much of a reason to lynch him. I don't see anything particulary scummy. Xonar I have a null mindset. I havn't seen anything from him as far as discussions go. I wouldn't be against lynching him though

My lynch priorities from highest to lowest

Nabe
Soup/Orbo
Circus/Xonar

Kat, I'm still wondering what are your thoughts of Kary

 

[#HBC | Kary]

Kata I'm really struggling to take your scumpicks seriously here. You're specifically stating reasons why it doesn't make sense for PJB to be scum as you vote PJB. It honestly looks like you're just being lazy or opportunistic, because if PJB flips town you'll have someone to look at.

I'm going to assume here that you only think one of Soup/PJB/Death Bear are scum? In which case, who's the 2nd scummer?
Or do you think there's some hard bussing going on? Let me hear your thoughts here, since you're finally posting content.

 

[ranmaru]

Well I think Soup is likelier to flip town than scum. I don't think he'd have it in him to replace out as a scummie just because he was caught out... and THEN post something back in the thread.

So you are going to let scum go because he replaced out? You seriously think scum don't replace out? Him having personal issues doesn't invalidate from his slot being scum.

 

[Death Bear]

Surprisingly more often than you would think, PJB.

 

[#HBC | marshy]

votecount 2.13
nabe (1) - pjb
orbo (2) - ran rockin
pjb (4) - death bear orbo nabe kataefi
kataefi (1) - kary
not voting (1) - xonar

voting log
orbo -> pjb -> none -> pjb
pjb -> nabe
rockin -> orbo
death bear -> nabe -> none -> pjb
ranmaru -> nabe -> none -> pjb -> orbo
xonar -> ranmaru -> kataefi -> death bear -> none
nabe -> pjb -> kary -> pjb
kataefi -> nabe -> orbo -> pjb
kary -> nabe -> none -> rockin -> kataefi

with 9 ballin it takes 5 to hardbody. deadline is 3/29 11:59:59 pm est

 

[#HBC | ZoZo]

sorry I need to be replaced. As if school wasn't enough, there are lots of issues on finding a new room and it's being the biggest time sink. I've been going from 9 this morning and now I come home at 11, just ate something and its 12 and I'm just so done with stuff. I'm sorry guys, but my gut reads are out there which is probably what I would've sticked to anyway.

Kat / PJB read icky. PJB pushes too hard too long on Nabe, tunneling as an excuse to do stuff. Orbo needs constant attention but that's always a thing. Kary is just town. If that guy is scum then I'll eat my ****ing hat. Ranmaru is town. Nabe is a cool lynch if only for information but really watch your step with that guy.

Watch out with Death Bear and Rockin because they're easy people to push and to get them to **** up and lynch. Aka vig them. Vig Death Bear first because his ******-factor is detrimental to town.
I just spelled that ditriminal. Wow.

Sorry Marshy, I really wanted to ;__;
If you can't find anyone, let me know and I'll continue playing but I'll be permanent Limited Acces

Peace.

 

[#HBC | Joker]

You guys do all realize that everybody thinks Nabe should claim, and he hasn't claimed, right?

How is this not a big bright red neon flag to you all?

 

[Death Bear]

for example, i could read into your hesitancy to just say no, or push you based on your attitude towards the question itself. And that could be telling to me.

Your answer initially tells me your hesitant / non-believing of that questions power, plus, you didn't actually say no, you said "I'm just going to say no, no matter what".

For example, why would you be hesitant or worried, it's a wifomy question that probably no one gives two-****s about but me.

Or mention that, by your word use, it makes it seem like in this instance you'd be ling if you said no.

 

[#HBC | Joker]

I did say no

at the top of the post, I said no, and no. you asked me 2 questions, and I said "no" to them both, by saying it twice.

 

[Death Bear]

I heard people at L-1 claim.

You should do such.

~ Ruy

 

[#HBC | Joker]

Except you're the only one who thinks I should claim. I'm a Vanilla townie. Oooooooo, did that just set your mind at ease? Pushing me to claim is not productive, and I don't know why you're doing it. It makes me think you're trying to look like you're doing something, when you aren't. Then when I flip town, you'll just be able to say "well I tried to read him and asked him to claim, but there's just no getting through to that guy. I regret nothing." I'm so torn on your slot, because Rake is significantly less scummy than you are. Maybe he's just better at it.

Nabe, on the other hand, has everyone saying "he should claim", yet no claim has come out of him. Why am I a bigger priority to you? Especially when my claim is literally not going to do anything, whereas Nabe's claim is a huge freaking deal that can actually tell you what his alignment is, flat out.

 

[Death Bear]

Ah, i see, my bad.

Well you get the gist anyway.

/Rake

 

[Death Bear]

Nah , you should have figured out I'm not scum by now PJB, I mean, pushing you as scum, I could have done a much better job burying you to death, or just flat pushing something easier, which, with the million directions in this thread, wouldn't be hard.

Or just faking it and being real jumpy because there's not a lot of consensus in thread. which is more or less a scum playground.

Also, i am significantly worse at scum than Ryu, and bad as scum in general.

 

[Death Bear]

PJB, your still scum reading Kat right, what has his play lately done to increase / decrease this ?

 

[#HBC | Joker]

Nope, not really scumreading Kat. He's kind of a non issue for me at this point. I just find it unlikely that BarDulL would've tried to bus him the way he did if they were scum buddies.

 

[#HBC | Joker]

You still haven't answered why asking for my claim is so much more important than Nabe's claim.

I just want it to be known that I'm not just spouting "wahh! Why you pushing me and not nabe?!" I really want an answer to that. It's not rhetorical.

 

[ranmaru]

Nabe, what happened to your Circus Scumread? What was your opinion of Xonar's play?

 

[ranmaru]

If anyone wants to know, I was reading Kary's case on Kat, so now I'm re-reading. So thoughts may pop up from time to time.

 

[Orboknown]

you mean like you?



you mean like my #1228? I also think you're individually scummy, so it's not at all reliant on soup's connection to nabe.

I'm pushing at you, reading others, and defending myself from Ran. You're sitting there.. not really doing anything. Why'd you drop kat as a scumread?

It's also contradictory that you think it's scummy that I want to sit on Nabe all day, but you don't think I can legitimately pursue you as a scumread until I get Nabe's flip.

What am I supposed to do, in this scenario you've concocted in your head?

Logically, since you've said the situation is reminiscent of toonami, Nabescum would strengthen a soupscum read yes?

 

[#HBC | Nabe]

as a footnote to my Kata post, I wanted to add this:



Of course, 5 minutes later he's hopping a Hilt waggon. So you have to kinda ask why it was important of him to try pushing a Kata waggon again? Or was he just reminding us all who he disliked this game?

This does look significantly like a distance vote, you're right. He doesn't list any reasoning or talk about where he'd go after Kat, or even mention Kat again in that post. But Bard was lax on supporting his wagons all Day, I think.

 

[Orboknown]

Vote: Orbo

My lynch priorities from highest to lowest

Nabe
Soup/Orbo
Circus/Xonar

Votes me.
Nabe is his highest lynch priority. Wut. Dislike this.

You still haven't answered why asking for my claim is so much more important than Nabe's claim.

How bout cuz you're at L1.

 

[#HBC | Nabe]

Sure. As in, give you an opinion on it, and if I'd be willing to join? I'll tell you my thoughts once you do.

I think I have noticed some of his interactions near the deadline, but don't really remember much interaction early game. (That may also be because Bardull wasn't as present) I could try re-reading and telling you my thoughts on it.

I meant the post I had just made, 1331.

The latter would be good, but if you hadn't noticed anything specific then it doesn't matter much, and I'd like to look myself.

 

[#HBC | Nabe]

[and definitely vig xonar-circus]

This sums up my opinions on Xonar @your question. Circus was always gut, not a reasoned read. The one thing I'm down with about Xonar is that he didn't seem to have an agenda. But I'm starting to believe that's a nulltell / meta more than a general towntell since it makes the assumption that all scum are planners.

 

[#HBC | Nabe]

PJB can still go. Nothing has changed here... I stated my lynch pool quite early on in the Day. He has found scum picks in every single player that has ever attempted to push him... He is extremely defensive. I've been thinking about whether 2 scum would pop out of the woodwork at the same time to push for my lynch though. I've also been thinking about whether the scummies are attempting to scapegoat him, as he continuously seems to place himself in such bad situations... That's the crux of it in a nutshell. This is a lynch I support

Could you elaborate on the bolded?



And HI RANMARU
Just realized it was you who asked about Xonar/Circus, so my last post to Kary should be to you.

 

[#HBC | Nabe]

You still haven't answered why asking for my claim is so much more important than Nabe's claim.

I just want it to be known that I'm not just spouting "wahh! Why you pushing me and not nabe?!" I really want an answer to that. It's not rhetorical.

Well, technically you are just spouting that -- the question being actually meant by you wouldn't change that you're asking it, and that it's the only thing you've been asking. I'm sure you meant just in another way though

 

[#HBC | Kary]

So no-one likes my waggon.

And Kata pops up almost the moment I call him out, only to talk about what he's done, and not actually add anything to discussion.

I mean, unless you think this is contributing:

Well I think Soup is likelier to flip town than scum. I don't think he'd have it in him to replace out as a scummie just because he was caught out... and THEN post something back in the thread.

unvote
vote: PJB

Or maybe Death Bear... I've been side-eyeing him for sometime mainly through PoE.

Or maybe Circus/Xonar now that I realised Bardull was awfully curious in not wanting to get him lynched... What does everyone think of this slot?

Also I want Rockin to explain his read on Soup and how it has progressed. He had slight scum leans iirc and I don't know want him to pander up to me with things like "looking forward to what you have to say kat..." etc etc.

To me it looks like 'ehh I'll lynch pretty much whatever and my reads don't really add up'

 

[#HBC | Kary]

Here are my reads right now:

Kary- obvtown
Ranmaru- obvtown

Death Bear- town. reads like Rake-town, no fear.
PJB- town. doesn't care what you think of his slot

Rockin- lean town. seems too opinionated to be scum maneuvering

Soup-Orbo- lean town, reconsider on Kata townflip. Seems genuine but don't like his pushes.

Nabe- provisional town. Needs to die unless his claim clears him.

Circus-Xonar- null scum, would like dead

Kata- nasty lurky scummer. Nervous excitement D1 turns into complete lack of scumhunting.

 

[Death Bear]

not liking Kata's dismissal of soupa-accidental poster, nor his magic POE null scum on me.

Why wait around to push me exactly ?

 

[Orboknown]

so lynching/vigging from your bottom four should be GG kary?