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[Orboknown]

Scum intent, duh. He's sitting on his scumpicks, leaving backdoors, and generally just not doing much.
death bear's town. Rake's being obvtown to me. might reread him tomorrow

 

[#HBC | Kary]

I am so at Orbo/Death Bear on PJB right now. Of all the people you could be voting. I don't really want to butt heads here, but #1180 is a crock of ****, and PJB is always a bit scummy looking.

No-one has any problems with Xonar, who can't seem to find a single slot he's confident enough in to leave his vote on?
No-one has any problems with Rockin, whose only contribution of note to this game was to lead a mislynch?

 

[Orboknown]

Xonar needs to do things.
Rockin needs to be here.
What about pjb is townie to you?

 

[#HBC | Kary]

him pushing nabe to claim
him admitting that he's a lazy sod
him seemingly pursuing his own picks rather than looking for an easy lynch

 

[#HBC | Kary]

I mean, Orbo, have you actually read his #955? does it read like a scummer on the defensive to you?

 

[Orboknown]

him pushing nabe to claim
him admitting that he's a lazy sod
him seemingly pursuing his own picks rather than looking for an easy lynch

Almost everyone is pushing nabe to claim. It's somethign scum would do because they need to know what PR he is, if any, for their night actions.
don't see how this is townie of him.
Sitting on his scumpicks is pursuing them? Dropping his kat read coming into toDay is pursuing that?

I mean, Orbo, have you actually read his #955? does it read like a scummer on the defensive to you?

1st paragraph is "nabe's scummier then me!"
2nd is "you guys are ridiculous" which he did in persona as well.
the rest is rather null IMO.

 

[#HBC | Kary]

I feel like no-one's on the same page as me this game. Not since Swords and Hilt died, anyways.

Vote: Rockin

Correct me if i'm wrong; you've wanted Nabe dead all day. You haven't voted him at all.

 

[Orboknown]

I want him to claim. he's refusing to do that, and If you harassing him didn't get it, then one vote by me won't. He's really antitown, but that doesn't make him scum per se.

 

[#HBC | Kary]

Ok so he's scummy for dropping his Kata read, but the part where he explains why he dropped the Kata read is null?

I despair.

I'm assuming you disagree that Nabe is scummier than PJB?
and I take it you don't agree that actually the only people who've actually been arguing for Nabe to claim or die, have been me and PJB?

and this is all rhetorical, because my point is when have you ever read PJB correctly?
don't give me this 'ah look at persona' bull, I know exactly what he did in that game.

 

[#HBC | Kary]

my #1207 was @rockin

 

[Orboknown]

Is my history of reading PJB pertinent to my read on him this game?
I understand him dropping it at the end of yesterday. But that was due to deadline issues and has no bearing on why he shouldn't jhave pushed back at it toDay.
nabe's not as scummy as PJB.
PJB's been contradiction himself over wether or not he's pro-nabe claiming.

 

[#HBC | Kary]

I continue to despair.

I'm not enjoying this discussion and you and I obviously aren't on the same page. I don't think PJB is a good lynch toDay. I'll leave it to him to clear up whether he's contradicting himself... (why would he do this as scum when he could say... act like Rockin?)

see top of post

 

[Orboknown]

fine by me. He is genrally agreed upon to be scummy though, regardless of your opinion on it. We'll see what happens

 

[#HBC | Joker]

I don't know where I have contradicted myself. Show me.

 

[ranmaru]

PJB, the questions are here in my #963.

PJB, this is for you.

 

[Orboknown]

1180 PJB.
10

 

[#HBC | Joker]

That's not a contradiction at all though. All of those posts are me saying I want Nabe lynched. His claim is required for me to get a lynch out of this town. I, personally, don't give a **** about what he claims, cuz I know it's gonna be a lie and he'll be counterclaimed and we can finally lynch him. But as long as he keeps on not claiming, the rest of town seems content to let him live for some unholy reason that I will never be able to comprehend. So I need him to claim. It's not a contradiction at all.

 

[#HBC | ZoZo]

yea n even then changing your mind is not contradicting dough

also forreal kat pushed bdull? can someone link me? Ive got 10 minutes to spare

 

[ranmaru]

PRIVATE JOKER BROWN WILL YOU ****ING ANSWER MY #963 GOD DAMMIT

 

[#HBC | Joker]

I told you I didn't know what you were talking about when you said I didn't answer your questions. All you had to do was point to them. There's no need for expletives or all caps.

Priavte-Joker Brown

#213
I don't see it as you initiating pressure though. You only gave that opinion because Kuz caught you and asked you to say something. Reference: #210

http://smashboards.com/threads/enter-the-hardbody-onwards.334679/page-6#post-15370568
Legit don't know what you're getting at here. I've never tried to claim that my #213 was me trying to pressure anybody. If anything, I would say my #292 was the start of me actually doing anything all game.

#419
You state that you were willing to write it off as a misunderstanding, yet you never showed how you misunderstood it. How about you state what exactly you misunderstood about it?

The whole "busted" part. I feel like we've already been over this a dozen times before.

#447

You mention soup town in this post. You said you found his explanation as your own misunderstanding, but I don't see how you arrived to a soup townlean, nor did you ever show how you got there. Can you do so?

Soup's #306 read genuine to me. i dunno, maybe I'm just used to scumsoup getting all flustered and buttmad at everything, but he seemed fine, and he illustrated that he was attempting to gain reads.

On not expressing your soup read progression, I'll drop that point. I just found it odd that you mentioned your lynch picks, and even mentioned some that you didn't think were worthy enough, but not soup. I'll drop that. Everything else still stands.

My problem with you is that you told Nabe to un-convince you, as if you had reasoning to be straight convinced that he was the lynch. Why exactly did you say "Nabe, convince me not to vote you". What set off your bells to say that, and can you quote it/underline it? I want to see exactly what came up in your head for you to say that.

your #605 was kind of a tipping point. The following pressure, and the complete and utter lack of a response from Nabe, despite him viewing the thread at the time, was the reason I posted at that time.

 

[Rockin]

Sorry again for being inactive for a few days. Just been really busy on my end

Bleh...Soup replaced. That sucks. >_<. I see people debating with whether it's actually a scum tactic and I just want to say we give soup the benefit of the doubt that there's been some personal issues he's been dealing with and decided to back off. I've heard stuff like this is scum tactic, but I'm using the Razor on this one.

Still more people trying to convince Nabe to claim. smh.

Kat, do you still want my opinion on your analysis now that I've looked back at Soup?

Xonar, nice to see you replaced Circus. Any reason why you want to lynch me? (in detail plz).

I would also like to ask you and Orbo about your opinon about Nabe. Are you two for or against Nabe being lynched (and rather he claimed?) If for a claim, any reason?

Ram, I'm going to need a straightforward answer to this: Who are the people you find scum and why?

I feel like no-one's on the same page as me this game. Not since Swords and Hilt died, anyways.

Vote: Rockin

Correct me if i'm wrong; you've wanted Nabe dead all day. You haven't voted him at all.

It's to avoid false accusions like this

I wish you would do more than play happy catch-up time and sit your vote oh so nicely on Nabe.

.....but




my vote isn't on Nabe. It never was. >_>

Then let me ask what you're waiting for?

I don't need no one thinking I'm not contributing discussion. Not to mention I just plain ol hate tunnel visoning.
Kary, I can't help but feel you have a strong dislike for me in general and just want me gone just cause. Do you actually find me scummy or not?

 

[#HBC | Nabe]

People think we are fishy but do nothing to show it, hilarious.

Xonar thinks I am a liability lynch in every game because he's hates playing with me, hilarious. Sad I think your slot is town, I'd love to off you and not deal with your stuff but guess not. But lets skip the **** fight and actually work together, I don't want to drag Rake in this because you hate me in mafia games.

vote: PJB

Lets actually get some votes rolling on someone who is actually a scummy. Hint fake content and overall unhelpful. Nabe, Xonar, Ran, can we hardbody him?

This seems a bit out of the blue. Reasoning? I haven't noticed PJB being at the front of your efforts until now.

I am so at Orbo/Death Bear on PJB right now. Of all the people you could be voting. I don't really want to butt heads here, but #1180 is a crock of ****, and PJB is always a bit scummy looking.

No-one has any problems with Xonar, who can't seem to find a single slot he's confident enough in to leave his vote on?
No-one has any problems with Rockin, whose only contribution of note to this game was to lead a mislynch?

Hi.
Is it a "crock of ****"? Awfully specific. Am I reading PJB's posts incorrectly, or is there a different problem?

him pushing nabe to claim
him admitting that he's a lazy sod
him seemingly pursuing his own picks rather than looking for an easy lynch

Except these are all things PJB hasn't actually done
(And 'yes' to the post you made after this that wasn't addressed to me~)
(And I'd take a Rockin lynch)
(What do you think of DBear?)
(Do you think love can bloom, even on a battlefield?)

That's not a contradiction at all though. All of those posts are me saying I want Nabe lynched. His claim is required for me to get a lynch out of this town. I, personally, don't give a **** about what he claims, cuz I know it's gonna be a lie and he'll be counterclaimed and we can finally lynch him. But as long as he keeps on not claiming, the rest of town seems content to let him live for some unholy reason that I will never be able to comprehend. So I need him to claim. It's not a contradiction at all.

Considering you're providing no pressure on me whatsoever, and considering that nothing else has changed on that front either, I'm wondering why you're not pursuing other avenues (read: I've already mentioned this). Am I your only scumread? Am I a scumread at all, or is it only a matter of conflicting principles? Why else am I getting the impression every time you respond to me that you've taken a different tack, if not that you have?

 

[#HBC | Joker]

wtf of course you're a scumread, nabe. That's why I wanted you dead yesterday, and it's why I want you dead today. The only reason you even lived yesterday is because you claimed hider, which you aren't.

and how have I not done the things Kary posted?

you've literally tried to use the fact that I demanded a claim from you as an excuse to call me inconsistent. Obviously I've pushed you to claim

i'm pretty sure I've used the phrase "I'm lazy" a lot this game. you must not be reading

I've absolutely pushed my own scumreads instead of looking for easy lynches. You know how easy it would've been for me to hop on a circus/rockin wagon or some other stupid crap yesterDay? I pushed Kat yesterday. KAT. You think that was me just hopping on some bull**** wagon cuz it was some easy lynch, and not me doing my own legwork?

 

[#HBC | Nabe]

Oops, didn't answer any of the questions I posed, including the only one that mattered! Want to try again?
I hope you're not arguing that being lazy is a good thing, or that regardless of its truth, Kary would be somehow justified in reading you as town for it.

 

[#HBC | Joker]

telling you that you are a scumread of mine is, in fact, an answer to your dumb questions. Your attempts to paint me as scummy are so transparent it hurts.

 

[ranmaru]

Rockin, are you addressing me? I have seen you use "Ram" before but never noticed it was for me if so. (I thought it was short for Ramen King, maybe... )

If so, I'll get to ya in a bit.

 

[#HBC | Nabe]

telling you that you are a scumread of mine is, in fact, an answer to your dumb questions. Your attempts to paint me as scummy are so transparent it hurts.

Oops, nope, that's not it either...

Am I your only scumread?

 

[#HBC | Joker]

Right now, yes. Other people may depend on your flip.

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

Nabe I hate to use hydra johns but that is because I was the one who went for it, Rake is busy with irl problems atm.

I still want PJB over others,

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

And what Nabe said, PJB has not done anything without someone else doing it for him first.

 

[#HBC | Joker]

What? I pushed Kat by myself. BarDulL started pushing him like, literally 10 minutes sooner than me because we were posting at the same time. It's purely coincidence.

Even my soup push was done by me, by myself. Nobody else was after soup at that time, and I didn't raise any of the same points as anyone else at any point.

Instead of actually reading me, you're being as superficial as humanly possible.

 

[Death Bear]

Nabe I hate to use hydra johns but that is because I was the one who went for it, Rake is busy with irl problems atm.

I still want PJB over others,

And what Nabe said, PJB has not done anything without someone else doing it for him first.

This is what I get for mafia after a party.

Ran, u sure on Kat, I hate Kat's D2 play a lot more than D1.

I think Nabe is town, but I want him to claim first tomarrow since I do not think scum can win in a claim war in mylo.

PJB needs to die, who is more relevant than him right now in being scummier? Please show me?

If he flips scum, Kary/Kat die, most likely mates imo.

Ran is obvious town, he is not playing with alternative motives, follow his lead.

Xonar is town cause Soup's play before, Rake convinced me.

I highly doubt Nabe is scum with out Bardull play it out. This is not how he bus'd 149 in John's bust a move mafia, this is not for his image, that was opportunism.

I think Kary/Kat are most likely to be playing as scum with Bardull and PJB.

Ruy out.

 

[Death Bear]

PJB, if I am wrong, who else is scum.

2 people are the team, it's not just nabe, your vote had been just on Nabe this phase.

Who else and why, for now. Go to that and see who else is likely to be scum and why?

 

[Rockin]

Rockin, are you addressing me? I have seen you use "Ram" before but never noticed it was for me if so. (I thought it was short for Ramen King, maybe... )

If so, I'll get to ya in a bit.

Yeah, sorry. it was to you. I tried to spell your name by heart and I couldn't, so I went with the shortcut ('I misspelled it. It should've been 'Ran')

I was THIS close calling you Rannmus LOL.

 

[#HBC | Joker]

I think soup's exit to the game is highly indicative of him being scum with Nabe. It's literally 100% identical to YOUR toonami game, where he was scum with nabe. Nabe made a bad claim, and soup defended to the death for reason's nobody could understand. The difference here is that instead of losing his mind and blowing up in endgame, he replaced out.

The fact that he replaced out isn't what makes me think he's scum either. There's plenty of legitimate reasons he could've replaced out, and that's fine, I won't condemn him for it, but look at his play beforehand. He literally made a big ass case on me, then called it garbage and left. He never gave an explanation for why nabe was town. There was literally a dogpile on me at that point in the game, and they both jumped on it as opportunistically as humanly possible.

You assert that there's nothing I've done this game without someone else doing it first. Not only is that completely false, but the fact that you can look at Nabe's play and not see him doing exactly what you accuse me of is baffling. I'm actually stunned that people think Nabe's votes are less opportunistic than mine.

 

[#HBC | Joker]

And before someone comes in and strawmans my argument by pretending what I said was "lol nabe is scummier than me guise"

All I can say is that Nabe is literally guilty of all the crazy things people are accusing me of, combined with his awful claim, and the fact that HE STILL HASN'T GIVEN US HIS NEW CLAIM... I really can't believe I'm seeing so much interest in getting rid of me and so little interest in getting rid of Nabe.

 

[ranmaru]

Ok thanks PJB for answering. (Funnily enough, I pointed it out twice, and only got you to notice when I yelled)

Hmm, I like PJB's #1235

 

[ranmaru]

Yeah, sorry. it was to you. I tried to spell your name by heart and I couldn't, so I went with the shortcut ('I misspelled it. It should've been 'Ran')

I was THIS close calling you Rannmus LOL.

Lol. You play LoL? We should play sometime. I'll answer your question in the next post.

 

[ranmaru]

Ruy, Kat and Kary are my strongest town reads. I'm also not for a PJB lynch anymore. Updating reads in a bit.

 

[#HBC | Joker]

I want to hear from Orbo about how I went from town side of null to scum based on an iso.Orbo, talk to me. How can a read possibly change that much? If it, indeed, can change that much, then why'd you iso me? Because I'm a hot topic? Did you iso Nabe? Do you seriously think he's clean?!