Embrace your new Ice Climbers overlord!

[nealdt]

Bwahahaha, I now have domain over this room .

Things need a little sprucing up around here. The IC Finder hasn't been updated in over a year, the guides are a little outdated, and there's a ton of topics on the same **** stuff. So what I need is a few volunteers:

1. Someone to take over the IC Finder. I will transfer ownership of the topic to you and you will be responsible for updating it.
2. Someone to gather new desynch methods that aren't in the Guide to Desynching. I'll send them to Exarch so he can add them or, with his permission, turn the thread over to someone else.
3. Someone to gather all the important character matchup threads so I can link them in one big "How to beat every character in the game" thread.
4. A replacement for the 2-year old IC guide??

That should help clean things up around here.

 

[Wobbles]

Can you sticky my infinite guide? I think it needs to stay at the top of the forum so people don't have to make new threads or keep PM'ing me about it.

 

[pockyD]

i think it'd be great if someone would resurrect the old video compendium (or create a new one?) and keep it updated

a lot of the other character forums have them and i think it makes it convenient to find many different styles for a character in a single spot

 

[AzN_Lep]

Hey Neal I think that I could help out for the "All Character Match Up Guide," I'll go ahead and get to work on it, gathering whatever info is already on the boards.

If anyone wants to help out for ANY match-up vs IC, go ahead and PM me. It doesn't need to be a full guide, just state the match-up and a few tips.

 

[B4tt1enet]

yeah the only problem with a combination of character matchups is that it will be difficult to discuss a single matchup... since everyone will be talking about different matchups

 

[nealdt]

Actually, what I meant is that I'll make a topic with links to all the other "vs ____" threads.

 

[Delphiki]

The character match-up information should instead be transferred to this page at Smashwiki:

http://smashwiki.com/wiki/Ice_Climber_Match-Ups


I will take over the IC finder.


Hmmm.. I wonder if I would be able to do a good IC guide....

 

[Buddha]

i just wanted to officially vouch for AznLep's "All Char Match-up Guide" as opposed to the compilation thread of match-up links. basically because there are ALOT of horrible match-up advice out there, and not just in the IC room. and a more centralized thread where people can "debate" on actual good tips would be the way to go. and it would filter out crap like "nanapult ftw" and "fair spike floaties" ... come on.

 

[Hozart]

4. A replacement for the 2-year old IC guide?

I could probably write this...and I'll try to update it as I learn more. I'll try to have something good in about a week and a half.

I also agree with the AznLep's "All Char Match-up Guide."

 

[Wobbles]

Heh, I was thinking about taking over the IC guide. I guess not

 

[Delphiki]

I want to see "Wobble's guide to kicking serious *** with the Ice Climbers".

Both Hozart and Wobbles are better than I am, hopefully one of them has the prose and drive to write an efffective guide.

 

[AzN_Lep]

Neato, so I guess that I'll put one together.

But it would REAALLY help if some of you more knowledgeable IC folks would send me info on the match-ups. I wanna make sure I don't miss anything. thnx

 

[nealdt]

Should we try and separate the matchups so it isn't one giant thread? Is that going to be a problem?

Sure, 26 threads would be hard to manage, but maybe we could do "ICs vs Top Tier", etc. Whadya think?

 

[pockyD]

there are relatively few common matchups... i would think it's necessary to have separate threads for fox, falco, sheik, peach, marth, samus, and falcon

jiggs, ganon, the marios, etc. are possibilities (especially ganon because in my experience, people really like to pull out ganon vs. ICs just for the matchup) but i think it's pretty essential that those 7 have their own threads; all those matchups are very common and play out very differently from each other (i.e. you can't have "IC vs. high tier" or whatever with both marth and sheik, who are played very differently vs. IC)

plus, it wouldn't be anywhere near 26 threads... i doubt people are having serious problems with pichu or kirby or that the problems are common enough that it needs a permanent thread

 

[nealdt]

Righto. And I didn't mean that all of top tier is that same; I just meant that advice against Fox, Falco, Marth, Sheik would go in one thread; Ganon, Peach, Falcon, whatever in another, etc.

 

[Mr. Derp]

Definitely resurrect the vid compendium and sticky that stuff.

 

[B4tt1enet]

G&W is actually a pretty touch match for ICs if used right. i think there should at least be some effort for a matchup vs everyone... just not as detailed as top tier/high tier etc.

 

[pockyD]

of course there are tough matchups elsewhere... my thoughts are just that, for example, the game and watch matchup isn't common enough to warrant a persisting thread; just because a big thread isn't created for a matchup doesn't mean users can't still create their own threads with their own desired topics

 

[Buddha]

if anyone deserves their own thread i would think it would be top tier. they are the matchups we see the most, and because everyone and their mom plays top tier there are so many styles of play for each char that i think bunching them all together may be too much. Fox, Falco, Sheik, Marth, and finally, Peach beyond anyone i believe needs one. And then another for mid-tiers (CF, Samus, etc.) and then another for the low-bottoms. what's that, 7 threads? that's not too bad, considering it covers ALL match-ups.

also, someone should compile a final ultimate desynch guide & compedium, with how-tos, percentages, char, and even proper DI to escape it. and with GIFs that would be teh win.

 

[AzN_Lep]

Is there anyway make a thread that doesnt appear in any forums? Haha probably not, but if you could we could make the seven threads or so and just have links that go to each one. It'd be kinda of annoying to have all the threads floating around though. And hey, maybe 26 match-ups on one page wouldn't be so bad, ctrl+f pretty much solves that problem.

 

[Galaxy]

I'm new to SWF and all but I am here to stay. I use IC' as a main/secondary (not sure) and I will help you guys out if you need it. So like i said, just because I have like 2 posts dosen't mean I am a noob/barley come on, I just pop on alot but don't post.

Need any help with anything PM me.

 

[mark.]

^welcome! :D

i htink that we should just have one super ultimate tutorial thing, that everyone woud make so that it would just be final. also, a seperate vid on throw combos (not just infinites) would be helpful, as well as controller view. vid tutorials are the best =]

 

[Galaxy]

I like the idea of the vid. And it looks as if atleast 3 people (Neal, Azn_Lep, and me) live in SoCal. So maybe we could get more SoCal people do make the vid?

 

[Wobbles]

Seriously though, "style" is a useless consideration when writing a character matchup guide. Handling another person's style and their move choice is a skill that you have as a player, and has to be adapted against new opponents constantly. A character matchup guide should be nothing more than a listing of "this move or tactic beats this move or tactic in this situation" to cover as many of the situations as possible. What your opponent prefers to do is something you figure out while playing, not while writing the matchup analysis.

$.02 deposited.

 

[Buddha]

yet you have to agree there are a few staple "anti-IC" techniques each character utilizes that should be addressed. especially, as more and more people are gaining exp against ICs, it seems like there is so much more effort being given to specifically gimping nana, or effective edgeguarding, etc. each character has their own methods to taking advantage of these IC weaknesses, and there should be some kind of help given to prevent against these "styles" or whatever you want to call them. and something beyond just general tips against some ordinary top tier. its the ppl who actually know how to play against ICs that i think match-up discussions should really focus on.

 

[AzN_Lep]

Wobbles: That was exactly on how I was planning to write it (situation -> solution) heh. Good lookin out though!

 

[Wobbles]

So... Hozart, do you want to write the guide or shall I?

 

[Hozart]

Ah, Wobbles, you seem quite enthusiastic, so I will allow you to hone your writing skills and test your knowledge of our beloved Climbers. You can make the guide.

Plus, I was planning to make the guide similar to this one:
The Competitive Kirby

I'm unsure if I have the time though...it would have taken me about a month or two. Just be sure to update the guide as you play more games. ^_^

 

[Gimpyfish62]

haha i thought this was gonna be some random cocky smasher who was posting that he was the new best icey player or some garbs like that XD

sup icey players

do you remember me azn lep? haha we played a SINGLE friendly at oc2 XD

 

[nealdt]

And this is different... how?

 

[Gimpyfish62]

uhh...

i guess its not.

but you are neal, so its ok.

 

[Delphiki]

Gimpy when I say you had posted I figured somebody mentioned Bowser. Tyderium and I were talking and he said that it seem if anyone ever mentions Bowser you always pop up in the thread to defend him. lol

So Neal how 'bout that IC finder?


Regarding the threads... I think it would be better to have one gigantic thread than 26 small ones. First of all, the big one can be stickied and it would eliminate the tons of "Help with this matchup" threads. Also, it would create a place for people to discuss strategy, which would help all of us discover new IC techniques.

 

[N1c2k3]

I 2nd the idea of having a central vid thread for all the IC vids, combo, matches, and otherwise, which is something I think every char board should have. Wait, didn't you make one a while ago Neal, or was that something else? I totally forgot, LoL. Well, that's all I really care about. Guides are nice, but IMO really only useful for beginner players. In any comp game, once most ppl are good enough to even do average and a moderately skilled tourny, I'd say they're probably beyond the pen and paper level of the game, and don't have much use for a "guide" so to speak, and really can only improve beyond that by practicing and playing more skilled players. This isn't to discourage you at all from writing it, though. You probably realized this already, so I don't even know why I took the time to point it out. I think it helps to know who your target audience will be though, but whatever. Happy adventurings...

 

[nealdt]

Alright, I'll resurrect the video compendium, but I'd really like someone else to manage it. You don't have to search YouTube for every single ChuDat match ever... just throw up notable ones and include a link to a pre-made YouTube search for "ChuDat". And be sure to add any videos people request of you.

So who wants it?

 

[pockyD]

i'd be willing to do it if no one else wants to

 

[N1c2k3]

*Bows to the overlord* All hail, he who is mighty! All our souls are belong to youuuuuuuu...............

 

[Gimpyfish62]

Gimpy when I say you had posted I figured somebody mentioned Bowser. Tyderium and I were talking and he said that it seem if anyone ever mentions Bowser you always pop up in the thread to defend him. lol

haha thats all to true, for serious.

 

[Baamage]

I wrote a guide for ICs, it's better then nothing... So I guess you can post it if you want, lol

It's easy to find, it's on the first page of the IC forums.

 

[dj asakura]

i'll be willing to help contribute to w/e i can. for example if someone needs people to test something out desynch wise or w/e i'll go and test it.

i'm lazy, but if you tell me do something i'll probably get to it

 

[Binx]

if anyone deserves their own thread i would think it would be top tier. they are the matchups we see the most, and because everyone and their mom plays top tier there are so many styles of play for each char that i think bunching them all together may be too much. Fox, Falco, Sheik, Marth, and finally, Peach beyond anyone i believe needs one. And then another for mid-tiers (CF, Samus, etc.) and then another for the low-bottoms. what's that, 7 threads? that's not too bad, considering it covers ALL match-ups.

also, someone should compile a final ultimate desynch guide & compedium, with how-tos, percentages, char, and even proper DI to escape it. and with GIFs that would be teh win.

I dont want to list the proper DI to escape our throws simply because its something people should learn on their own and to make sure we arent completely countered by anyone who comes into the room, besides that we would have to list every chainthrow against every character, some are guaranteed and some arent, we should know that much, if they arent guaranteed some of them are still usable we should know those also.

This would be amazingly helpful, I havnt really seen any new ones outside of the how to guide, and mostly I dont think there are many more practical ones.

Seriously though, "style" is a useless consideration when writing a character matchup guide. Handling another person's style and their move choice is a skill that you have as a player, and has to be adapted against new opponents constantly. A character matchup guide should be nothing more than a listing of "this move or tactic beats this move or tactic in this situation" to cover as many of the situations as possible. What your opponent prefers to do is something you figure out while playing, not while writing the matchup analysis.

$.02 deposited.

yeah the one I am working on now uses this too, you dont know exactly how someone will play every unless your PC Chris, but seriously if you do predict what they are going to do you should know exactly what will and wont beat it in a situation.

So... Hozart, do you want to write the guide or shall I?

Cant wait for this guide