I mentioned this in the Rex thread as well. Skye, in general, is very cautious, even getting Nintendo's blessing to do a stream of Xeno2. At the same time, she mentioned that she doesn't have any gigs in an interview with Jay RPG but we know for a fact her character(S) will be part of the story DLC. There is a good chance she isn't telling the truth.
This is true and i think nobody's denying that. This is character speculation after all.
If you compare the two characters, there is no contest, Rex/Pyra are the better choices. They are more unique, Sakurai likes duo characters, they are more popular overall (only Smash Boards seems to have more people want Elma), and their game fits more thematically with Xeno1 (easily could see Gotmott being a stage a la Gaur Plains). The only argument against them is the timing thing, but we've seen enough characters, stages ect get in Smash despite the game releasing the year prior.
Uniqueness is, like almost everything you've said, a very subjective feature that i'll discuss later.
Popularity is a fact (also relative), but not mandatory to become a Smash character. It's not a surprise its popularity though because XC2 outsold XCX, and XCX outsold XC1, considering that it was in a console which its market was AWFUL (probably the worst of the entire videogame industry), it's a very good spot.
Following that logic, Ness and Lucas should be removed in Smash 4 just because they don't make games anymore and as you can see it's not the case.
Same with Fire Emblem which.. before awakening was not in the best spot. Friendly reminder that the promotional characters DO exist. (Roy and Corrin)
This could benefit her not because her timing now, also because XCX 2 could exist and use her as a promotional character.
"(only Smash Boards seems to have more people want Elma)"
I'm gonna answer you this argument even though I shouldn't. I'm sorry but this seems a very poor argument, the only thing i can assume from this is that you don't want the character by any means. I don't understand you with this argument.
11# most wanted newcomer in resetera "
https://www.resetera.com/threads/su...-st3-on-path-to-e3.44544/page-78#post-8607245"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lxdbtFdrekA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9jf7o2QIe7I
Not neccessarily to watch them. Just to see the popularity it is for a not so popular game compared to XC2.
Also a reminder that Bayonetta was the winner of the ballot character even though she wasn't even in top 15 in A LOT of surveys. Yes, it was "realizable characters" but what i mean with that is that not all supports their character in forums. This is not something that Elma has neccessarily in her favour, just that the argument makes zero sense besides not being true.
and their game fits more thematically with Xeno1 (easily could see Gotmott being a stage a la Gaur Plains).
They'll select something that is consistent rather than something that is different.
huh?
What about Primordia from Xenoblade Chronicles X? Still, not sense at all, being consistent is not something with modifications in designs. The only thing "consistent" regarding in stages (Smash 4) are Smashville and Town and City. Only the two similar ones in terms of "design".
The Blade/Driver mechanics make for a totally unique character and adds some elements the other characters don't have. Positioning increases your power, Pyra can be "tagged in" for certain attacks, she can block attacks ect. Elma doesn't really do much we haven't seen before. Stance change? We already have that with Shulk. Duel swords? Thats the same argument for "this character has a spear" and it doesn't make a unique character in of itself. Driver/Blade adds far more than Elma does and I don't think you can deny that. Also, series go for consistency rather than being different. Look at Metroid or DK. They use very similar level types. Metroid had 3 stages with lava and Other M's stage still used a fire motif. Pokemon almost always has an arena. They'll select something that is consistent rather than something that is different. Same goes for the music. It works better if the music from the games all mesh together as these songs will appear on the same stage.
On relevance, it matters a lot. They'll usually take from the newer game if given a choice. Pokemon is an obvious example of this. Another one is New Super Mario Bros. The stages are based on the 3DS and Wii U game rather than the DS and Wii games.
I'll have to find the Chrom thing. Got it from a Reddit thread. It was him responding to the question at a panel. Its on YouTube somewhere
I'm not gonna lie that Blade/Driver mechanic would be superfun to watch, or play at the very least. But it could also have its problems
Shulk doesn't even change stance in his original game. They are only attacks or change properties on the entire party or itself.
Yes, the duel swords are unique, nobody in Smash has it (only Bayonetta, which has dual guns).
Also, that is not only the thing that make Elma's moveset unique. Overdrive mechanic could function as a some sort of KO punch, and even could be combined with Soul Voice alone to be rewarded with a predictable move but powerful one or make some move but not as powerful as it was with the Soul Voice. Also the Skell at the Final Smash. His abilities CANNOT be changed because she can't change class in his original, which make her unique. (or atleast not so flexible)
Even if you don't want to add any of that, you can always put her true form, even though it's a HUGE spoiler.
Yes, maybe not as unique as Rex/Pyra, but welcome to the world of opinions and perspectives.
Making her wouldn't be super hard because some moves could be modified from Bayonetta's. (example sliding slinger)
You can even make a entire moveset without touching a single of her guns.
Xenoblade X's story is not the strong part and everyone who played it knows absolutely that but it doesn't make it a bad game. Being Elma the best character of that game.
About her stage, again, because they are different games, you've literally answered yourself. If there's a Xeno X stage , would be with its music. And if there's a Xeno 2 stage, there'd be Xeno 1/2 OST. This is not about likes or dislikes, it just because it fits better with the world you're feeling at.
Try to swap Sawano's OST and Xeno 2 OST and then play the game. I'd probably stop playing because it doesn't fit in anyway with the world and its story.
I assume you said the consistency because of the stages which i've already responded.
To finish this quickly, relevancy and consistency are very very subjective and relative besides the orientations and speculations we could get. The only argument you've gave me about the consistency it's just because the music would fit better. However this is more than obvious and if a X stage gets added would probably be with Sawano's Music. And this is not rare considering that Yoshi or Wario are tecnically Mario characters, besides showing its own logo (Yoshi's Island and Wario Ware) As all we already know, Xenoblade and Xenoblade X are pretty different games. Personally i don't imagine Halberd music in Dreamland stage or Suzaku Castle music in any other possible SF stage.
I have no more time to respond a lot what you've guys said. Don't get me wrong I love Xenoblade, and i REALLY hope both would get added because they really deserved it in my opinion. But iniating a discussion with.. 2 days left.. i think it's just much worth the waiting. After all this is character speculation and once they get in Smash it could be very hard to be cut (or even appear, if there'd be another smash in the very very future) so i can understand frustration from our favorite characters.
Sorry from my bad English, i wish i could explain myself better.
Love!
