Egg Tactics

[Anonymousity]

Has anyone else put Yoshi's projectile eggs to a more prominent use? I have found that with plenty of practice, Yoshi's eggs can be used to take care of a number of situations. Eggs can be used to keep your opponent on his toes at all moments when playing a more ranged game, and can defend against a number of aerial attacks when aimed correctly. Eggs can be thrown well enough to cover a broad spectrum of the area in front of Yoshi as well as close behind and upper-behind. (Backspin! ) Aside from being insanely frustrating to your opponent and simply skillful to watch, I think there is more practical use to precision egg throwing then many places online give Yoshi credit for.

I have read through a number of Yoshi guides and FAQ's posted here and elsewhere, and the one thing that continues to surprise me is that eggs are relatively uncovered, giving me the impression they are not focused too extensively on with many skilled Yoshi players. At this point, I have those **** eggs down to an art, almost halving the time played with ground/aerial attacks and combos to egg use. Does anyone find any reasons this would be a wasted effort in a high-competition game?

 

[Shiri]

Oh, eggs are amazing. There's no doubt about that.

The thing is, high tier characters (Peach, Marth, Samus, etc.) can just tilt/neutral air/powershield/dash under/dash around/hack through eggs. Eggs don't leave Yoshi as open to attack as some other characters' projectiles, but sometimes it's not worth the risk. Besides, as far as guide coverage is concerned, Yoshi's eggs are something to be learned, not something to be taught. At least, that's what I think. That may be why you can't find real detailed information as far as egg-play goes.

All this talk about eggs has me amazingly hungry. ~_~

 

[Doubletails]

Heheheh, Eggs.

Eggs form a good chunk of my Yoshi defensive play. If only they were a little more hard-boiled so they didn't get squashed so often by some attacks.

Eggs as an offensive strategy is plausible only when the Green Dragon isn't at risk of attack, this is, edgeguard, or ending up a combo to rack up the damage, you can always use an extra 10-12%. Using them for long ranged battles sometimes isn't the best option, for the offensive egging does not depend on landing the egg where the opponent is, but where it will be next. Calling a prediction, chances are you can/might be mistaken, and mistakes sometimes land heavy punishment on Yoshi.

When egging defensively, chances are you may be risking it too much in most cases, neutralizing missiles and cancelling an opponent's grab is my main defensive tactic, but it is a desperate/last resort kind of thing, unless you can place the egg exactly where it will hit.

Sure, Egging is a very useful technique, but it is dangerous just as much. This doesn't mean Egging should not become part of your gameplay, but you should be acquainted with the given scenario and deliberate whether it is a good idea or not.

..Though, you will not have much time to think, so be swift and play a confident Yoshi.

 

[Hal-Yur-Azn-Pal]

Eggz are cool, as long as you dont go overboard with them then you'll be fine.

 

[Opfer]

Eggs are awesome! My brother is playing Marth and he used to get me by using wavedashing to extend the (already awful) range even further. But by spamming him with eggs really bad this can be severely limited, he keeps complaining that the whole freakin' wavedashing is useless if you can't go anywhere because there's eggs all over the place

 

[Bloshi]

I have only one thing to say about this topic right now:

<3 EGGS!

I'll come back when I'm not hungry.

 

[Megaman X]

Eggs are very nice, but I'm finding that in higher level play, you can't use them for absolutely everything like you can with nubs. Lots of attacks break them without giving any damage, and that's a big problem when playing against characters like Samus, Shiek (not so much, but this match has enough ridiculous problems already), and Marth.

 

[Anonymousity]

Aye I hear you on using them sparingly against a quicker and thus more skilled opponent. I couldn't see having much luck pinning down some of the many Fox or Falco players we have on these boards.

On a tangent, does anyone ever incorperate them into your play when messing around with items? Try to toss an explosive and hit it near an enemy

 

[rmusgrave]

The coolest egg skill to have, is to know exactly when it breaks so you can aim an egg at a reflecting Fox/Falco etc and have it break without hitting their reflector, but within range of hitting them.

I used to be able to do it. I don't focus on eggs enough anymore, so I don't think my egg skill is as good as it used to be.

 

[Shiri]

Oh, wow. I've never thought of that before. o_o

Bringer, something you should do soon is PM all your secrets/hacks/cheats. >_>

For free. <_<

 

[Mind Trick]

I do use eggs a lot but only on certain occasions, those being to juggle when you cant get an uair in, when your opponent is a certain distance from you and their projectile game is non existant or weak, and I just love to ECE, I probably use about 20 of those in a match
I avoid using eggs when the opponent is close, because there are way better options to hit your opponent imo, although the arc protects you a little, you can still be very open to attacks.

 

[choknater]

fun egg stuff is done by my crew member PARK on jungle japes. 6 ledges = egg frenzy. bowser is also crazy on this stage... he hasn't been able to master egg maneuvers but he is still pretty d*mn flashy with it. only problem... if he gets tapped out of the egg tricks once, he's dead by the rushing water. klap traps also take him down often.

oh well, it's still fun to watch.

 

[YOSHIDO]

yeah man. I love eggs. They allways help me. One i like to do is when their coming to the stage. The egg will stun them for a tell whip. I allso like layin eggs for traps and stuff. Love hittin ankles

 

[PlayaFritz]

I think everyone loves eggs. realistically though, the only times i would use them is if the opponent has a weak projectile game, for multiple edge guarding purposes, keeping up a combo on fastfallers, or if you want to finish a combo with extra damage. Other wise you will be punished...Also platforms can really help with egging as i have seen, i have got plenty of combos started when the opponent trys to come through the platform but the egg gets their first. Overall though you just have to be careful. Oh one more thing i think they ae good for is finishing off momentum based recovers.

 

[Zettai Kurayami]

Yea a good use for eggs is if you get it right u can screw with peoples recoveries and then finish them off

 

[Pekkle]

Fumi edgeguarding = eggs lol

 

[Valban]

My yoshi is a very very campy yoshi. and rainbow cruise is a really good map to run away and keep blasting eggs at an opponent. eggs aren't my only weapon, but if your a yoshi and want to gain some space to just blast people with eggs than rainbow cruise is big enough for it. It's also pretty easy to gain distance fast enough in that level because of his jump.

 

[BooThunder]

I have a question about eggs so I figured id ask in here instead of making a new threaD.
Lately I've been playing a lot of yoshi with suprising success but I have some questions about eggs.

first of all: whats the best way to do a running full jumped or shorthooped egg? I have trouble with it because Im always used to jumping with the y button and I CAN just jump and keep holding up on the control stick so when I do the egg I wont djc it, but this presents a problem because I cant shorthop egg with the control stick using that method, and when I do manage to pull of a running fulljumped egg it seems that I lose momentum because I have to keep holding up on the control stick. any help with that would be appreciated.

second question: whenever im recovering from getting hit high and somewhat far, I like to protect myself from the edgeguard by throwing projectiles (boomerang, bomb, mario fireball etc.) at my opponent. but with yoshi the ideal way to do it would be to start falling towards the stage, then fire a well-placed egg, and THEN double-jump. My problem is that by holding the control stick toward the stage I accidentally djc the egg just about EVERY time I want to do an egg WITHOUT double jumping first. this question is related to the first one so maybe I can get one answer for both but I'd really like somebody who knows what they're talking about to give some advice

 

[rmusgrave]

1: Tilt up slightly on the joystick to input the up for the B, same way that you would rush a tilt.

2: Same thing again, don't tilt up all the way to cause the double jump, just tilt up far enough to allow the up-b.

 

[BooThunder]

thx bringer i feel dumb for not thinkinhg of that. I still dont have it down, but im getting better. my problem is that whenever i tilt im used to just gently rolling the control stick to the full upward position instead of only going part of the way. im going to have to practice this a lot because the way i play right now my control stick is always either neutral or completly tilted to one direction. and another thing is that i still cant pull of the shorthopped eggs, or very rarely that is, and i was wondering if you have enough time to grab the ledge after doing one (ya know running shorthop egg throw edgeguard to edgehog), and also whether this a technique worth learning in the first place. obviously the point would be to limit the effect that the egg's lag has on your movement by doing it in the air, but sometimes I think that if im trying to predict an opponents tech or something like that, it may be better to fire a standing egg because a straight medium or long distance egg moves a lot faster (it seems) than when i do a jumped egg. (the disadvantage to this stratagy being that its impossible to follow-up the egg with anything else after that) sorry about the long *** post but thx so much for making your yoshi knowledge readily available to noobs on the boards. also im a big fan of your yoshi that match against captain jack and the set against shaz were amazing displays of yoshis full potential

 

[rmusgrave]

No problem ^_^

I personally don't do short hop or full jump eggs myself, I only do it if I'm going to attempt to egg someone who is too high for a standing one. The only 'moving' egg technique I use is platform dashed eggs, but that's just my love for platform dashing. My favourite little trick with that, is double jumping towards someone above me, then platform dashing on the way up, going off the edge of the platform then DJCing an egg toss so that I land under the platform. If the opponent was trying for some sort of high priority down aerial etc this trick will quite often punish them... but not punish them more than 12% or so. Still, its fun ^_^

 

[Demoyoshi]

im having problem with controlling yoshi, when edgeguarding etc. and double jumping quickly to a fair.

 

[shazbot]

Check the "How to hatch a healthy yoshi" sticky at the top, that will answer just about any yoshi related question

 

[RedYoshi92]

eggz are very useful in long range.and they can screw up players recoveries making them open for another hit

 

[hyyde]

Sweet, sweet eggz. I love edge canceled egging from the ledge and then popping up to uair or utilt into a jugglefest. If timed appropriately that can be the initiation of a beatdown. There also good for mindgaming and disrupting opponents' approach. egging @ opponents' recovery attempts can open up some opportunities as well. I love hitting them as they recover and then watching them pop up, opening themselves up for a dair. I've never fought any really tough opponents (just local smashers and friends) but for the opponents I face those tactics dominate.

 

[Spyckie]

just curious - anyone wavedash out of a fulljump egg throw?

 

[the CRAB]

i dont play yoshi, so i'm not sure if this is in any of the stickied guides, but my younger brother somehow edge cancels his egg throws from a short hop facing the opposite direction of the edge. this ***** my recovery when i'm trying to sweetspot the edge with falco/fox/anyone.

just thought i'd toss that in.

 

[BadncrazyJ]

Personally i use eggs more as a distraction or in combos. For instance yoshi has a very good smash up with his tail. Someone falling can easily see it coming however which makes it difficult to use it. If you throw 2 or 3 eggs at a person as they fall distracting them to just move away from the eggs most will not notice if you jump and use that ariel. I also use eggs to attack people trying to get back on the edge. When using their third jump (as long as its not Mewtoo or Sheik)Not saying it works for everyone but it works for me. it works well for people like Flaco and Fox. It works better against those types because they have to somewhat charge before they use it so if you hit them while they're charging theres a good chance they wont be getting back on (depending on the player)





oh yea....egg spam like hell in a 4 player free for all ahaha

 

[The |Egg| Sniper]

Another thing to mention about Yoshi eggs: You can steal Samus's Bombs out from under her with Eggs. It's a great feeling to see Samus flail in the air when one of her bombs goes missing!

"Ga-lee.....those eggs keep eatin' up my bombs!" << I get this often from one of my friends.

Also, Eggs, as mentioned before, provide good distraction/manipulation against players. If used right, they can kill a Peach's floating recovery.

 

[McCloud]

Eggs are a neat edgeguard. If you knock someone off the stage, run to the edge of the stage and right before you hit the edge of the stage running, throw an egg. If you did it properly, Yoshi will throw and egg, slide, and catch the edge. So you have a projectile (hopefully low enough to land in front of the ledge) guarding the ledge in case someone comes, and then you have Yoshi's body actually holding the ledge. If by chance the egg actually hits it'll stun them enough for you to do a ledge hop bair or regrab the ledge.

 

[Eternal Yoshi]

Bringer explained my glitch for me. It seems that when the egg cracked, all 3 of my opponents were in range of being struck by the cracks of the egg. They got struck in a pattern so that the attack time from the egg cracks was extended since each part of the animation was slowed because all of them connected with an enemy.

 

[The |Egg| Sniper]

Eggs are air control. Aim where you don't want them to go. Most times, people won't risk the 10-12% by taking it. If they do, great! More setup time, plus %s!

Eggs are traps. Have eggs follow you where you go. Those who dash in will get caught off guard and run smack into it. Those who think before they leap....stay still or have to constantly change their game.

Eggs are anti-grab mines. About to land into a shieldgrab? Toss an egg. No more grab, and plenty of space for you.

Eggs are spike setups. Most anyone that's recovering and gets nailed by an egg by the edge are popped up stunned long enough to leap out from the edge and fair or dair onto them. (Dair at higher %s, please, and don't get carried away with it!)

Eggs are follow-ups:
Dthrow->Egg = 14-16%
Uair/Utilt->Egg= 14-18%
Usmash->Egg....Oh you get the idea!

Eggs are the most multi-purposed projectiles in the game, and it would be wise to know all of its uses. It's best used vs aerial strikes, but with some strategy eggs help make counter attacks against ground pursuits. Arm yourselves, Yoshis. Arm yourselves with knowledge and your own children.

 

[rmusgrave]

Careful with the egg toss as a grab counter. Too many times have grab invincibility lamed me.

 

[Bloshi]

So yeah I'm finally not hungry anymore, it kind of took me 5 months to eat. Well, I still use eggs plenty, although not as much as in older videos you might see of me, because people I play have figured out how to time their attacks so they go through the eggs and still hit me in my egg-lag. So, most of the time its an edge-guard, or to whittle away the time on an awkward Pokemon stadium transformation, or sometimes an anti-grab technique. Most of the people I play are used to hitting me a bit before throwing me, so the egg comes right down on their greedy heads.
Also, when I've juggled them too high to nair due to good DI, I usually toss eggs up there for extra damage. Its surprising the sort of mindgames you can play with eggs up there, since most people underestimate the shrapnel range when they explode. Oh man, I really miss the smash 64 eggs, cuz they had twice the power and priority. Hitting an off-stage opponent with those meant instant death.
Due to the decreased priority and faster SHFFL these days, using eggs as an anti-approach has become very unfeasible, although it works on an unsuspecting dair-***** Falco, with the right timing and placement. Be careful cuz eggs won't outdo lasers though.

 

[The |Egg| Sniper]

Bloshi, I can't agree with you more. N64 eggs = mini nukes in your face!

It's all about quick thinking when it comes to using eggs as a more primary tactic. It can't be ignored that when used properly, it leaves the opponent wide open for follow-up strikes, hit or miss.

 

[3GOD]

In my recent Yoshi adventures (videos coming soon), I've discovered that eggs can really help make people go where you want them to go. A couple of small examples:

1) Someone misses a tech near the edge of the stage...toss an egg at them from just outside their getup attack range. They are now forced to either roll toward you (for a free dsmash ) or get hit by the egg in which case you can run in and do an attack during the stun of the egg hit.

2) As an edgeguard, a properly timed egg can make the recovering opponent attempt an air dodge sometimes - leaving them vulnerable for a dtilt/dsmash or whatever you wish.

PS - Look for my young Yoshi videos soon - he's just hatched, but I think he has potential.

 

[Rob_Gambino]

3GOD, I didn't know you picked up Yoshi. If we ever meet at a tourney again, I want a ditto. I probably won't be traveling much though.

 

[3GOD]

Well I really only played Yoshi seriously for the first time yesterday, but I was doing quite well against my friend's Marth, Fox, CF, and even his ICs. Sadly I only recorded a few matches, but I'll get them up soon so folks can see and give me advice.

I am not going to too many tournaments these days myself, but I probably will go to the next big INNsomnia...maybe we'll be able to play there.

 

[thedarkyoshi]

Let me tell you bout Yoshi eggs. I too have mastered the skill of throwing eggs, but throwing eggs is more than just randomly throwing eggs. lol. What i do may seem impossible for you, but I estimate and predict where my opponent will go before i throw my eggs making him underestimate my egg power, and well just keep hiting him w/my barage of eggsuntil i get close enough to smash him or something.

here's a good tip. run away from your opponent then jump as high as you can. Oh no! your second jump! now you will certenly get pwned, but not if you throw an egg. See when i do that, my opponent gets so excited to hit me, he is barly aware or underestimates my thrown egg. thus when he gets hit by my egg, i am already on the ground ready to do a lil combo on him.
my eggs are n00b free

 

[Winnar]

here's a good tip. run away from your opponent then jump as high as you can. Oh no! your second jump! now you will certenly get pwned, but not if you throw an egg. See when i do that, my opponent gets so excited to hit me, he is barly aware or underestimates my thrown egg. thus when he gets hit by my egg, i am already on the ground ready to do a lil combo on him.

Ahahaha, that's awesome. Definitely a great trick to pull out every now and then, especially if you add "Ah crap..." all smooth-like. And then the trap is set! :O

Hoorah ;D