Edgehop to?

[halcyon.days]

This is kind of a question for recovering but...

How should I recover when I'm hanging on the edge. What I usually do is edgehop drillshine -> jab (if they fall down from shine) to usmash, or to throw if they don't fall down from shine. But when I was playing against my friend's sheik he would dodge (or back up) from the aerial and punish me for the lag.

What are some of my options to recovering when I'm hanging on the edge? Edgehop to side-B? Waveland to grab?

On a side note, what's a good way to edgeguard against sheik?

Thanks

 

[CanISmash]

you can wave land on and decide from there. i have the same habit what you need to realize is you're predictable. you cant attack off the ledge every time cause your friend discovered he can just take a step back and wait. so wave land onto the edge try to defend the little space you have once on the stage. and work your way from there. or you can just stand up from the edge. or you can also JUMP from the ledge.

and for sheik for the love of God don't get off the ledge. stay on it till she uses her up-b roll. smack her off again with d-smash, f-smash, throws, etc. or if their high enough drillshine grab up-throw u-air. only if its gonna kill.

im a nub tho. better advice is prolly coming.

 

[Havokbringer]

If your friend just side dodges away then I would either waveland to grab or I would try to fake the person by edge hopping back on to grabbing the edge then wait for an opening to get back on.

There is no real way to get back for any certain situation.Theres just 2 things you have to keep in mind and thats do not keep repeating your mistakes and don't hang on to the ledge for too long because the longer your there the more prepared your opponent will be.

Also stages, like yoshi story for example, have the ledge close and low enough for fox to waveland onto from the edge.It's a pretty good edge return if you do it fast and not to often for your opponent to expect it.

Referring to your side note, if I am below 100% and wanted to edgeguard shiek I would Firefox stall/jumping repeatly back on the edge to keep my invincibilty frames then as soon as she starts her up b push in the direction of the stage to get up then she should have either gone straight up to try to grab the ledge or she got back on the stage and from there you should know what to do since can freely grab/up smash/whatever.If I was higher then 100% then I would do the same thing except I would edge hop back onto the stage or roll back on, it just depends in the situation.

Hope that helped.

 

[RaynEX]

First off: Edgehopping is not always in your best interest. If you do feel like edge-hopping use either dair or nair, its as simple as that. If you want to overcomplicate things..

well don't - it won't do you any good in the long run. It'll just make you greedy.

Honestly, one of the biggest problems Fox's have is that they edge-hop too much. Everyone just hops on and drills. Its so ****ing predictable.

Instead, grab edge for invincibility frames -> ledge wavedash -> buffer roll. Its a stupid technique that works stupidly well. You can go through a variety of moves during the WD because of the amount of frames Fox gets. I've gone straight through Marth's Fsmash and Sheik's tilts before.

Vs. Sheik on Edge: Grab edge, force her on the stage. Shes helpless without the edge, and shes left with tons and tons of lag when he gets on the stage. Just hop on and bair/fsmash her back off. I don't like dsmash much because random **** happens...they might tech or CC it. Repeat process until the Sheik is in kill range then you know what to do.

This was said before, but I thought I'd just throw it out there again.

 

[KirbyKaze]

ledgedash into shine with your invincibility if they're close and doing stuff near you. you'll be invincible the entire time so **** on them with your magical powers.

or do raynex's suggested roll bull**** it gets you to the middle of the stage where fox ****s on puppies and doesn't get gimped really easily.

raynex you're doing it wrong waveshine across stage to d-smash on sheik god you're so noob. do it bam style back when people couldn't sdi.

jks listen to raynex guys he's really FLAMING HOMOSEXUAL good at edgeguarding sheik.

 

[S0FT]

W/e i play fox i usally stall with the shine firefox infinite thing on the edge then i waveland...
If for some reason there really close to the edge you could always do the shined blind "shine waveland waveshine
Also on fd you can drop down and jump up hugging the side and regrab the ledge then instantly drop and wall jump jump back toward the ledge right after your wall jump and up air .....

-speedn showed me that

my fox isnt as good as the other peoples
so its probably best not to listen to what i am saying

 

[halcyon.days]

First off: Edgehopping is not always in your best interest. If you do feel like edge-hopping use either dair or nair, its as simple as that. If you want to overcomplicate things..

well don't - it won't do you any good in the long run. It'll just make you greedy.

Honestly, one of the biggest problems Fox's have is that they edge-hop too much. Everyone just hops on and drills. Its so ****ing predictable.

Instead, grab edge for invincibility frames -> ledge wavedash -> buffer roll. Its a stupid technique that works stupidly well. You can go through a variety of moves during the WD because of the amount of frames Fox gets. I've gone straight through Marth's Fsmash and Sheik's tilts before.

Vs. Sheik on Edge: Grab edge, force her on the stage. Shes helpless without the edge, and shes left with tons and tons of lag when he gets on the stage. Just hop on and bair/fsmash her back off. I don't like dsmash much because random **** happens...they might tech or CC it. Repeat process until the Sheik is in kill range then you know what to do.

This was said before, but I thought I'd just throw it out there again.

To buffer a roll, I would just hold L and press left on c-stick while I'm doing the ledge wavedash?

Also, is a uair from an edgehop viable?

 

[RaynEX]

Yea, thats how you buffer. Uair isn't good unless its going to kill. Drill is always better if it hits. Keeps you safe, can't be CCEd, and can be followed up by a techchase or thunders.

Don't try to be CREATIVE off the edge. Just be EFFECTIVE. Be smart.

Why would you use uair? It has virtually no horizontal range...even a jab would beat it. Stick to drill, wavelands and the occasional ledge-attack/ledge-roll.

Oh, its also good to mix it up with a ledgehop illusion. If you don't do it that much anyways, its good to throw in now and again because your opponent won't expect it from you.

 

[Oskurito]

lol uair is very situational. But if you're well spaced you can uair> utilt xD

 

[MikeHaggarTHAKJB]

edgehop uair is ony good to punish your opponents laggy up-bs after a edgehog if you where the edgeguarder (if the uair will kill them)

 

[RaynEX]

Uair is STILL stupid though. Theres the chance that they might d.i. the first hit. Pros will...and you might lose an entire match that way.

If they are at the percent where an uair will kill, then a bair will kill - regardless of how good there d.i. is.

Just keep it simple.

 

[Shai Hulud]

Yea, thats how you buffer. Uair isn't good unless its going to kill. Drill is always better if it hits. Keeps you safe, can't be CCEd, and can be followed up by a techchase or thunders.

Don't try to be CREATIVE off the edge. Just be EFFECTIVE. Be smart.

Why would you use uair? It has virtually no horizontal range...even a jab would beat it. Stick to drill, wavelands and the occasional ledge-attack/ledge-roll.

Oh, its also good to mix it up with a ledgehop illusion. If you don't do it that much anyways, its good to throw in now and again because your opponent won't expect it from you.

I always miss the l-cancel when I ledgejump dair into a shield. It's so hard =(

I usually don't ledgehop into attacks unless I've been stalling and Marth fsmashes and misses o something and I know the attack will hit due to lag. I generally do the up b stall once or twice, then either waveland onto the stage or just forward-b if I think I can get away with it.

 

[Teczer0]

Poor Sheik

Edgeguarding sheik is too easy for fox and falco and... anyone really T__T

 

[halcyon.days]

Since everyone's being nice and answering the questions I have...

You can shine->wavedash->upsmash if you're quick enough right? What are your opinions on this? (Only on the people who don't fall from shine).


The way I see it, you can do something like dair->waveshine->grab->uthrow->uair for the kill, but wouldn't that just said above be better? (Again, on people who don't fall from shine)